Would be a David Moyes situation, he is not a winner, he hasn't won anything, he comes from a smaller club with smaller expectations, and won't command respect from the players. How could you ever expect that to rebuild United and lead them to glory?
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I remember when people used the invert argument/rational for hiring Mourinho.
In that, they forgot something important. Their ability to coach.
David Moyes isn't a bad manager. It's the way he sets out his teams that is an issue. He always has a low block and compact spaces approach. Usually works at smaller teams like Everton or West Ham, but doesn't work at big teams since they are expected to always impose their style on their opponents. Hence why he looked out of his depth at United.
Potter on the other hand is playing more exapansive football and trying to impose his style of play even on bigger teams like Pool, City, Us. Similar to ETH. That's why if we appoint Potter, I expect a different outcome to the Moyes debacle.
This is a key point. A manager of a "small" team who uses a style similar to the style that is forced upon the top teams has a far higher chance to be a success than a manager like Moyes, who usually uses a kind of underdog tactics.
Hiring Potter wouldn't be anything like hiring Moyes. Hiring Conte or Ancelotti would be closer to Moyes than Potter.
It's also incredibly shortsighted because PSG have no reason to sack Pochettino before the end of the season if they crash out of the CL since there's nothing left to salvage but even if they do he then becomes a free agent and there's no longer anything stopping us from ringing him for a pre-contract. People need to employ possible unintended consequences. No guarantees either way but it might even be better to lose later in the competition if one is so eager for ETH.
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Maybe Tuchel will be an option?
if we somehow ended up with Conte I'd find it hard to get behind him
he's obviously a terrible fit for United
he's obviously a terrible fit for United
Gotta be EtH, he has the potential to be big time. Pochettino will be fine but not more than that I reckon.
I wouldn't mind Rangknick getting the job. A united squad assembled in his vision would challenge for the title in my opinion.
Poch, Simeone or Conte for me anyone else would be madness.
We need someone who will command the players respect and motivate them day in day out.
We need someone who will command the players respect and motivate them day in day out.
I worry that Potter would get eaten alive by the group of players, it’s egos, it’s factions , it’s briefing of the press against mangers. Not to mention the cluster beep that is the club’s hierarchy who he could never rely on for support.
Problem is Conte would have tantrum and leave within 18 months and I don’t want to watch a Simeone team, they do not play good football.
Those 3 over Ten Hag would be madness.
I think a few years of Rangnick before moving him up stairs could be really good for the culture at the club.
Conte and our club is a recipe for pure misery, it's so baffling to see people still wanting him.
Based on what? There are do many issues and misfits
Lads Potter is no Moyes nor Howe.
He comes across as a level headed calm guy.
In no way am I all in for him.
But I would not panic if he did come in.
Likelihood of that happening is remote though.
ETH or Ralf would be my choice.
He comes across as a level headed calm guy.
In no way am I all in for him.
But I would not panic if he did come in.
Likelihood of that happening is remote though.
ETH or Ralf would be my choice.
I just can't see it. I think he might go back to Italy if Spurs miss 4th place.
My guess would be Pochettino to Madrid, Ten Hag decides to wait at Ajax for a year for the City job and we keep Ralf on (at least until the WC is over and a few more coaches become available eg Enrique).
Someone else said it but this is the most important decision the club will take that will have repercussions for the next ten years.
If you we look at it that we can compete inside the next 12-18 months, we will be finished as a club.
To compete inside of 12-18 months would need Luis Enrique/Antonio Conte/Jupp Heynkes level manager and £300m net spend.
This isn't going to happen. So to think like this is folly and will lead us further astray because we will hire Poch or Keep Ralf and will spent £100m and we get nowhere. Another year of struggling for top four and set our course back again, delaying progress.
The club need to start thinking 24-36month timescales for competing. So not next season or the season after but the next season.
Pick a manager that is going to create a tactic, playing style and ethos (almost doesn't quite matter who really). Realise that this manager needs two years with their players, players they have chosen, four windows worth of recruitment, in and out.
Focus on the youth players to embolden the squad and add players under 25 who match attributes the playing style needs
High press? Stamina and pace. Dominate possession? Technical players from possession dominant clubs. Counter attacking? Vertical and direct passers and pace etc.
Don't be afraid to buy the best players from relegation zone teams. Make sure you triple the scouting teams or steal them from clubs like Leicester, Leipzig, Lille and Dortmund.
Whoever you get in to manage, it has to be a three year timescale project. If you get on Poch and give him £50m he will be finished inside of 18months.
If you we look at it that we can compete inside the next 12-18 months, we will be finished as a club.
To compete inside of 12-18 months would need Luis Enrique/Antonio Conte/Jupp Heynkes level manager and £300m net spend.
This isn't going to happen. So to think like this is folly and will lead us further astray because we will hire Poch or Keep Ralf and will spent £100m and we get nowhere. Another year of struggling for top four and set our course back again, delaying progress.
The club need to start thinking 24-36month timescales for competing. So not next season or the season after but the next season.
Pick a manager that is going to create a tactic, playing style and ethos (almost doesn't quite matter who really). Realise that this manager needs two years with their players, players they have chosen, four windows worth of recruitment, in and out.
Focus on the youth players to embolden the squad and add players under 25 who match attributes the playing style needs
High press? Stamina and pace. Dominate possession? Technical players from possession dominant clubs. Counter attacking? Vertical and direct passers and pace etc.
Don't be afraid to buy the best players from relegation zone teams. Make sure you triple the scouting teams or steal them from clubs like Leicester, Leipzig, Lille and Dortmund.
Whoever you get in to manage, it has to be a three year timescale project. If you get on Poch and give him £50m he will be finished inside of 18months.
It's like saying ETH is the new Frank De Boer because they share the same nationality and manage in the same league.
Too bad his name isn't Von Potter or Potterinho
ETH has said that Overmars' departure changed things. I doubt he will wait for 1 year for the City job, only for them to go for someone like Enrique. You'd have to be bonkers to think that he would stay another year at Ajax over picking us because we're not prime SAF United.
ETH thrives in environments like these. Working with limitations is actually what he does best.
Same nationality, similar profile coming from smaller clubs they won promotion with, similar hype, similar style, close in age. Yes, im drawing those parallels
What limitations is Ten Hag used to? The only 'limitation' at Ajax is maybe their budget when compared to big clubs but they're a fantastically run club that focuses on footballing excellence from the board to the youth set-up. Their conveyor belt of talent produced from within and identified from outside continues to fire on all cylinders.
They spend little and sell big while continuing to be successful on the pitch. It's actually a dream cushy job and the only reason he'd leave is to challenge himself in a more lucrative and competitive league
If Overmars leaving has such a profound effect on him then maybe he's not used to/doesn't want to work under less than perfect conditions, something he'd have to get used to at United with it's big name egos and utterly inept board. Maybe City suits him better as they're a much better run club and closer to what he's been treated to at Ajax but on a grander scale that would potentially allow him to compete for every top honor every season
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When RR took this job he stated that he was here for 6 months but he could stay on if he thought it was best - I hope he does. I think the lack of finishing has masked some really impressive results. We could have been putting teams away and our win record under him could be brilliant. I think he will bring the right players in and next season, with no CL to worry about, we could really kick on.
I hope he stays on as manager.
I hope he stays on as manager.
I'd be very surprised if it isn't Poch at this point.
Would you want Poch or not? He wouldn’t be my preferred choice personally.
Would like us to take a punt on Ajax guy. I think we really need to understand that it’s ok to sack a manager if it doesn’t work out. Ten Haag could be a guardiola 2 or he could be Andres villas boas. It’s worth taking the risk and seeing if we start looking better but I would worry that if we don’t win out first 5 games then he’ll be in line for the sack.
Will see come summer but I don't think I'd be against it. I think he's a safer bet than Ten Hag who hasn't managed in the PL before where previous Dutch managers haven't done great.
More important than any new manager for me is getting the summer transfers right. A new DM, ST, RW, CM are going to be crucial in transforming this team.
This is a good point that goes unmentioned. Not saying it should follow that ETH would fail, but his fellow countrymen with similar ideas on how to play have simply failed to find success on England shores with one exception: Guus Hiddink and only as an interim. Even his compatriot Dick Advocatt failed here
Klopp and Pep hadn’t managed in the PL before coming and they’ve done fine. What has Poch won when he was actually managing in the PL? I don’t think Poch is the best choice personally. Of course I’d be behind him if it ended up being him.
The history of PL winning managers shows that being a proven winner is far more important than being PL proven. Basically every manager who was only PL proven was a proven PL loser and stayed that way.
How is that a 'good point'
It's a completely random sample of disjunct cases.
It has some merit in my eyes, not from a scientific perspective obviously. Dutch managers have struggled here for one reason or another, same as English managers failing to challenge for top honors. English managers are not even considered by the best clubs and this has gone on for years. Again, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that ETH would fail here because of his nationality.
It has no merit whatsoever. Firstly, because it makes no sense to group managers together based on nationality to start with, and then, because Dutch managers haven't all "failed to find success on England shores" as you claim.
Gullit has done fine, Jol has done fine, Hiddink has done excellent. Koeman did fine at So'ton, less so at Everton. Who failed? De Boer and Van Gaal? And even then Van Gaal won a FA cup despite all his efforts to sabotage his work with his insufferable ego and stubbornness.
Dude, none of them vyed for top honors. Try again. Gullit's 'sexy football' at Newcastle flopped and he left a year in. He had nothing on Keegan. The rest were sacked. Doing 'fine' is not excelling
Real madrid is a better career move than Manchester United. Could you imagine coaching haland and mbappe?? That would be any managers dream. I didn't even think about the possibility that we could miss out on both Pochettino and ten hag. I don't think our board is ready to gamble on ten hag and poch could prefer real Madrid, so in theory we could end up with ralf for another season..
I'm not too fussed if it's Poch or Ten Hag right now. Like I say, players are more important. We won't be challenging for anything until we have a squad to match City and Liverpool.
Not sure how he's the safer bet considering how his last season went. And he hasn't exactly lit up the french league with his galacticos, either.
He's currently walking the league by 16 points and in a leading position against Real Madrid in the CL knockout stages. This season matters more
Makes sense, but who was the last PL proven manager who won the league? Kenny Dalglish with Blackburn Rovers in 1995?
1 out of 10, the other 9 WERE NOT PL PROVEN.
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