Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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CM10 said:
Not really a comparison though, is it? Klopp had won multiple league titles with an unfancied team and impressed in Europe. Poch had a couple of good seasons with Spurs a few years ago.

And let's be honest, there's another candidate out there right now who is head and shoulders above Pochettino, and very attainable. That's the fella we should be worried about missing out on.
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Winning in the premier league is much more harder than winning in Germany, plus he came close and he even went to the finals of the champion league with a shoestring budget.

How is eth head and should above Pochettino? Many pundits and analysts believe the opposite.
 
Red_toad said:
They seriously need to invest more in the stadium.
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Yeah exactly, they can’t put it off much longer, it could get to the point where it isn’t fit for purpose anymore. So far they have got away with tricking the fans that they invest in the club by spending lots on transfers. They do the bare minimum in every other area of the club.
 
I am much worried about our next permanent manager appointment because in today’s press conference, there was a question about United not reaching semi finals in UCL since 2011 and Ralf mentioned that he knows so many teams performing well and in few years time, going down gradually even to the extent of playing in second division in Germany.

I hope the board takes things seriously and appoint someone who can build for the future or at least make us a top team for next 10 years or so. Whoever it maybe.
 
wolvored said:
How the feck is this true? Arnold has already said he is leaving football decisions to those who have a better knowledge. If anyone is picking the manager it will be RR and Murtough. All Arnold/Glazers will want to know how much its going to cost.
If its true we will be fecked again.
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Not only that but people shouldn't get it twisted what 'leaving the football decisions' means , it doesn't mean delegating virtually all of his duties. That is straight abandonment. Forget potentially being a glazer stooge any CEO doing that is a surefire failure. He will still oversee key decisions as important as footballing direction and the appointment of the next most important role at his club. Another thing is like it or hate it the glazer board has always been involved and will always be while they are here regardless of the CEO. The CEO can't freeze them out of football decisions when he works for them. The good thing though is Arnold is listening to others.
 
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NWRed said:
I know people's memories are short these days but it was literally 2 days ago that 2 of Rangnick's subs scored the 2 goals that won us the game.
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Sparky_Hughes said:
Literally two days ago.
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The 2 goals scored were due to individual quality and the same phase of play clicking against a team 5 points off relegation.
There is literally no evidence that RR is capable of making game-winning tactic/system changes. This man should not even be in the discussion for manager of the 4th largest club (by revenues). In the last 20 years he and I have both won the same number of CL and League titles. If fans are happy with United hiring bargain-bin managers then we should not expect any titles and the club management should not get any more abuse.
 
Kag said:
65% of people wanting a manager who has never really managed outside of the Netherlands is surprising.

I mean, I have no idea what he’d be like here, and he could be a fantastic appointment, but the confidence some of you have seems a little misplaced. It’d be a risky appointment, no doubt about it.

Can’t shake the feeling that it could go a little bit Frank de Boer.
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This is exactly how I feel. EPL is literally the most competitive league in Europe and we need a manager to hit the ground running. Poch (if available) is the only candidate that has managed at 2 PL clubs and overperformed in both, has a good relationship with fans in 3 out of 4 clubs (could be 4 out of 4 if PSG do well in CL), has taken an unfancied team to a CL final, has worked with clubs that don't have the highest budget in the league, has managed egos and will also be a league title winner this season. All of this within the last decade. We'd be stupid to miss out on him again.
 
Amadaeus said:
Winning in the premier league is much more harder than winning in Germany, plus he came close and he even went to the finals of the champion league with a shoestring budget.

How is eth head and should above Pochettino? Many pundits and analysts believe the opposite.
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Pochettino's last 18 months for Spurs went badly wrong for him, and I don't think he's done enough since that time to build his reputation back up to seriously put himself in the frame for the United job.

Even his biggest accomplishment of making it to the Champions League final with Spurs came with a massive dose of fortune. They were pretty lucky to make it out of the groups, had the fortunate VAR intervention which helped them on their way against City, and had the huge comeback vs Ajax.

Compare that to how Klopp took Dortmund to the final. Topped the group undefeated with Real Madrid, Ajax and Man City. He more or less cruised through the knockouts including beat Real Madrid, again, 4-1. That team just passed the eye test while Poch's Spurs team didn't (also evidenced by how poorly they ended the domestic campaign in 18/19).

I also think ten Hag's record in Europe is arguably more impressive than Poch's. His side have given a good account of themselves in Europe a couple of times now - they were undefeated (albeit runners-up) in their 18/19 group which contained Bayern, beat Madrid and Juve in the knockouts and were unfortunate to blow their lead vs Spurs. This season they're doing really well again, winning all 6 of their group games.

A lot will hinge on how Ajax and PSG do in the Champions League this season but I genuinely believe ten Hag's teams play better football, and that's without the benefit of superstars in his team like Poch has at PSG. Their domestic record ain't half bad this season either!

If we want a safe top 4 guy without much more ambition, Poch is our man. If we want to take a chance of taking it to the big boys, I'd much rather see ten Hag given a go.
 
The important thing, whoever comes in, it needs to be done and Ann ounces the Monday after the last weekend’s fixtures so he can imprint his plans on the team with as much time as possible.

Then the Glazers really need to put up and give him exactly who he wants. If he gives a list of names, they go out and get them; none of this one-at-a-time BS, go out, get talking to each club, and get the deals done!
 
I could live with Pochettino ending up at scousers or City one day, however Ten Hag going there would be a nightmare.

We have already missed out on the likes of Kante, KDB & Fabinho to rivals, let's not make that mistake with a manager too.
 
croadyman said:
I could live with Pochettino ending up at scousers or City one day, however Ten Hag going there would be a nightmare.

We have already missed out on the likes of Kante, KDB & Fabinho to rivals, let's not make that mistake with a manager too.
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This is it for me as well. If I imagine Poch at City or Liverpool it doesn’t really worry me. Ten Haag at one of them does.
 
I know it may not be high on people's consideration, but a foreign coach being able to speak English proficiently is very important I believe. I have been looking for Ten Hag's interviews in English and have not been able to find any. I have heard Poch and he seems comfortable enough.
 
Marcus said:
I know it may not be high on people's consideration, but a foreign coach being able to speak English proficiently is very important I believe. I have been looking for Ten Hag's interviews in English and have not been able to find any. I have heard Poch and he seems comfortable enough.
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I worked in Amsterdam for a few months...I dont think I came across a single Dutchie younger than 60 that couldn't speak better English than the average native speaker :D. Incredible really...some of their TV adverts go seamlessly from English to Dutch to German...and its all understood. And there was me stumbling over "donkey vell".
 
Kag said:
I think there’s more risk with this than there would be with Pochettino, for example. He’d be the safer pair of hands in the short term. More of an upside if we turn into some sort of Total Footballing machine with the Dutchman, but I’m far too tired and cynical now to think that’ll work.
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Mourinho was as big of a "sure bet" for the league as it could get, guess how that turned out for us?
 
Let's talk about preferred signings.

Think we have a chance with FDJ if ETH takes over, even if we don't have the CL.

With Poch , Kane can be a target but then why would he leave Spurs if we don't get CL. Conte is also a better manager. (Not that I want him).

Rice is also a very much of a Poch signing.
 
wise_old_man said:
Mourinho was as big of a "sure bet" for the league as it could get, guess how that turned out for us?
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The version of Mourinho who came to the club was far from a sure bet, in my opinion. I say this as somebody who wanted him here for years. How wrong I was.
 
Caesar2290 said:
You do realize that Poch had the entire squad assembled at Tottenham prior to his arrival, and most of his star signings were done by Mitchell. Once he and the Spurs Dof left, and Poch was the one doing the recruitment and he literally recruited flops which Spurs have a tough time shifting to this day. Poch has an abysmal record when it comes to recruitment. That and his holistic approach isn't what we need coming back of Ole's mates FC.

Erik ten Hag walked into a much bigger mess at Utrecht than United ever was. Aside from the fact that they didn't have a groundsman, their entire team was composed of mostly overpaid and underperforming prima donnas. Not only did he whip them into shape, but he also managed to clear out the slackers and replace them while being in a financial deficit all the while reaching for the groupstages of the Europa League.

His pre Ajax days exploits are almost Fergie like. You can read more about them here: Why you should watch out for FC Utrecht's Erik ten Hag This post was made 4 years ago when he was still manager at Utrecht.
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Brilliant read, thanks for posting it. I loved the bit about Utrecht being described as underachieving financial mess with unfit players with declining facilities at the training ground and the fact that the stadium was no longer a place teams feared to come. Sounds very familiar. We need Ten Hag.
 
Caesar2290 said:
You do realize that Poch had the entire squad assembled at Tottenham prior to his arrival, and most of his star signings were done by Mitchell. Once he and the Spurs Dof left, and Poch was the one doing the recruitment and he literally recruited flops which Spurs have a tough time shifting to this day. Poch has an abysmal record when it comes to recruitment. That and his holistic approach isn't what we need coming back of Ole's mates FC.

Erik ten Hag walked into a much bigger mess at Utrecht than United ever was. Aside from the fact that they didn't have a groundsman, their entire team was composed of mostly overpaid and underperforming prima donnas. Not only did he whip them into shape, but he also managed to clear out the slackers and replace them while being in a financial deficit all the while reaching for the groupstages of the Europa League.

His pre Ajax days exploits are almost Fergie like. You can read more about them here: Why you should watch out for FC Utrecht's Erik ten Hag This post was made 4 years ago when he was still manager at Utrecht.
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Yeah, this is just great. It confirms my opinion we will come to dearly regret missing out on him. He is exactly what we need.
 
If we give Ten Hag full control over the players for a year or two we'd be sweeping trophies left right and center afterwards. Of that I have no doubt, he'll retire has Sir Erik Ten Hag.

But he MUST be given full control over the players, who comes in and who goes out.
 
VidaRed said:
If we give Ten Hag full control over the players for a year or two we'd be sweeping trophies left right and center afterwards. Of that I have no doubt, he'll retire has Sir Erik Ten Hag.

But he MUST be given full control over the players, who comes in and who goes out.
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Will you guys EVER learn from United's mistakes?

You don't give a single individual full control, because as soon as he leaves (or has to leave) everything just collapses and you tumble into the next rebuild...
 
stefan92 said:
Will you guys EVER learn from United's mistakes?

You don't give a single individual full control, because as soon as he leaves (or has to leave) everything just collapses and you tumble into the next rebuild...
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I must admit I never got how people clamor for a DOF and still want the manager to have full autonomy. How does that play out?
 
copen1945 said:
Are we sure about Ten Hag? Benfica aren't exactly world beaters.
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He's likely to have Ajax in another cl quarter final, never lost an away cl game. Hes not exactly struggling by Benfica with a billion pound team. Unless you're joking it's a bizarre post
 
MDFC Manager said:
Didn't see the game but the stats suggest they've smashed Benfica but didn't get the goals
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Kind of. Ajax dominated the first half. They squandered countless opportunities to score. Then they eased the foot of the gas, yet would still commited to almost suicidal attacks.

Benfica came roaring in and pushing them back and hitting them on the counters. That's how they got the equalizer. After that Ajax took control and snuffed out most of their attacks. Towards the end they started mounting the pressure again but ran out of time.

For about 60% of the match Ajax controled the game. Benfica for about 20-25% and the rest was just a tussel. Antony was lucky not to get a red card for headbutting the Benfica player.
 
copen1945 said:
Are we sure about Ten Hag? Benfica aren't exactly world beaters.
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I watched United & Ajax game at the same time

Ajax Dominated the game, Benfica had periods but only minimal

Ajax almost rushed possession trying to score with every attack instead of taking the sting out of the attack

Without the Haller Own Goal from awful defending, plus he had a chance you'd of backed him to score making it 3-1

The second goal came from a counter where the keeper saved it and pushed it back out instead of away from goal

The score doesn't reflect the game, they had a clear plan you could see constantly creating chances

I would love to see what he could do with better quality players

Playing better football than that Fraud Poch with far inferior players
 
We Need Another Rebuild said:
Playing better football than that Fraud Poch with far inferior players
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You do realize that Poch beat them and got to the ChL final with the likes of Wanyama(sorry for the spelling), Winks and Sissoko.

If that is your idea of a fraud manager then Poch for me all the way
 
Caesar2290 said:
You do realize that Poch had the entire squad assembled at Tottenham prior to his arrival, and most of his star signings were done by Mitchell. Once he and the Spurs Dof left, and Poch was the one doing the recruitment and he literally recruited flops which Spurs have a tough time shifting to this day. Poch has an abysmal record when it comes to recruitment. That and his holistic approach isn't what we need coming back of Ole's mates FC.

Erik ten Hag walked into a much bigger mess at Utrecht than United ever was. Aside from the fact that they didn't have a groundsman, their entire team was composed of mostly overpaid and underperforming prima donnas. Not only did he whip them into shape, but he also managed to clear out the slackers and replace them while being in a financial deficit all the while reaching for the groupstages of the Europa League.

His pre Ajax days exploits are almost Fergie like. You can read more about them here: Why you should watch out for FC Utrecht's Erik ten Hag This post was made 4 years ago when he was still manager at Utrecht.
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:drool: thanks for this link, he is exactly what is needed and to me the only contender, get the deal done Arnie !!
 
Karlos PFC said:
You do realize that Poch beat them and got to the ChL final with the likes of Wanyama(sorry for the spelling), Winks and Sissoko.

If that is your idea of a fraud manager then Poch for me all the way
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One of the best CB pairing in the PL in Vertoghen and Alderweireld, best CF in the world in Harry Kane, Son, peak Delle Ali, Lloris beat a team in stoppage time consisting of PL rejects and academy kids. Clearly the better manager, surely.

Not saying Poch is bad, just the fact that Ajax team went to toe with Spurs up until the dying moments of the second leg shows how amazing of coach ETH is.
 
Caesar2290 said:
One of the best CB pairing in the PL in Vertoghen and Alderweireld, best CF in the world in Harry Kane, Son, peak Delle Ali, Lloris beat a team in stoppage time consisting of PL rejects and academy kids. Clearly the better manager, surely.

Not saying Poch is bad, just the fact that Ajax team went to toe with Spurs up until the dying moments of the second leg shows how amazing of coach ETH is.
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Same goes for Poch though. Alderweireld was an Atletico reject (only 1 or 2 seasons there as a RB with a handful of games reallyq). Lloris was somewhat reliable but I can't really remember a big club wanted him, only maybe PSG but that doesn't count, they are interested in everyone walking on two legs and wearing football boots. Kane was just some 19(?) year old, no wonder kid status or anything like that. In fact Kane has stated how much Poch developed his all around game. Dele Ali sure had some eyes on him in his MK Dons days, but again a teenager basically with no experience.

So in that aspect they're not so much different that some posters in here would have you believe.

Spurs play at the richest league in the world and Ajax in a one maybe two team league (and them being the richest club in the league), it's only natural that Spurs can buy rejects from Atletico and Ajax from Southampton and West Ham.

Poch made Spurs a top4 team and that is not a small feat, it's Spurs for fecks sake
 


Mitchell worked with Poch at Southampton and Spurs. :(

I'm choosing to ignore the much more likely option and instead pretend he's there to discuss selling us Tchouameni :)
 
Mitchell has been photoed at games with Woodward in the past. Spoiler alert we didn't sign Poch any of those seasons so it doesn't mean much. He does seem to have ties at the club though.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:


Mitchell worked with Poch at Southampton and Spurs. :(

I'm choosing to ignore the much more likely option and instead pretend he's there to discuss selling us Tchouameni :)
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Kaos said:
And he worked at Leipzig around the time Rangnick was in charge. Could be clutching with the Poch insinuations.
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I could be clutching here but doesn't ten Hag also prefer a professional structure working above him? This could be Rangnick helping the club get said structure in place.

In fact, regardless of manager, that structure needs shaping properly so it functions properly.
 
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