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Simoene Inzaghi - that's a new name .
Didn’t Ed do that while hiring LVG?
Still the Glazers picking so guaranteed it's Poch, cheap option treats Top 4 like a trophy
Not gonna rock the boat
Will accept the bare minimum
Easy option instead of ETH who is a risk but greater reward
Not gonna rock the boat
Will accept the bare minimum
Easy option instead of ETH who is a risk but greater reward
Inzaghi and Nagelsmann as well. There is a clear pattern regarding the general direction, that's a good sign.
Rodgers:
There is no comparison between RR and Rodgers.
We know that Rodgers has a 3-4 year cycle. What cycle does RR have? When did he last coach a team for 3-4 years consecutively?
In the EPL Rodgers has got 3 teams playing attractive football. He has pretty much done the best anybody could do with Leicester and in a poor season like this one, he may even end up winning Leicester their first European trophy. He may have bottled 4th but at least he got Leicester into that kind of position. Even at Liverpool, he made a decent but not great side challenge for the title. He was smart enough to leverage Suarez no differently to how Ronaldo/Messi/Mbappe are leveraged by their coaches. Swansea were relegation favorites in 2011/12, yet he made them finish 11th while playing attractive football. Then in 2012/13 he made them finish 9th while again playing attractive football. How much higher should Swansea have finished?
Mancini:
Again there is no comparison between RR and Mancini. Mancini has won the EPL, FA cup and most recently Euro 2020. He has won trophies across England, Italy, Turkey and the National team.
Rose/Potters/ETH:
They are unknown quantities in terms of whether their style will work in the EPL (Rose/ETH) or whether they can manage bigger names (Potter). Anyone voting for them is obviously taking a huge risk but there may be a huge upside. High risk-high reward.
But RR is not an unknown quantity. We know that he is no plan B. He talks so big but there's nothing innovative in his system. When was the last time he made some game-changing changes during the middle of the game that completely flipped a game over? He uses a lot of consulting-jargon and has a German accent which makes people believe he is some sort of Guru.
Let's just say, you have absolutely no idea about RR and move on. Because this discussion isn't going to be worth it.
If ETH doesn't want to join then I would be happy with Potter
He has set up a bang average Brighton set up to play great attacking football & has gone toe to toe with Liverpool, Chelsea taking points off them & battered City at the Etihad last season
All of which without an out & out goalscorer
3rd Behind City, Liverpool & Chelsea for passes completed
1st for tackles completed
5th for Crosses attempted
7th Clean Sheets
Brighton absolutely battered us last week without the red card more than likely get something if not win the game if it wasn't for a De Gea worldie they would have
For the argument if the big players will buy into its quite simple if they don't then they can F off somewhere else
He has set up a bang average Brighton set up to play great attacking football & has gone toe to toe with Liverpool, Chelsea taking points off them & battered City at the Etihad last season
All of which without an out & out goalscorer
3rd Behind City, Liverpool & Chelsea for passes completed
1st for tackles completed
5th for Crosses attempted
7th Clean Sheets
Brighton absolutely battered us last week without the red card more than likely get something if not win the game if it wasn't for a De Gea worldie they would have
For the argument if the big players will buy into its quite simple if they don't then they can F off somewhere else
I think I'd sign Ten Hag in your stead. If he's not available this summer, continue with Rangnick and then sign him. I believe United is finally heading into the right direction and that makes the coaching position highly desirable. I doubt Ten Hag will receive an offer that.he finds even more attractive than this one. Especially if the signing doesn't happen this summer and United continues to leave a positive impression all things considered one year down the road.
Poch and Enrique aren't the coaches to take you to the level of Liverpool and City. Better wait a year to then sign someone special than pressuring yourself to make an immediate decision only to find yourself in a standstill again. Especially since Rangnick seems tonbe doing quite decently.
Poch and Enrique aren't the coaches to take you to the level of Liverpool and City. Better wait a year to then sign someone special than pressuring yourself to make an immediate decision only to find yourself in a standstill again. Especially since Rangnick seems tonbe doing quite decently.
Let's see how we finish with Rangnick first. If we get Top 4 and go deep into CL playing good football, then maybe. I agree that Rangnick has been doing well so far.
But I still think Man Utd shouldn't waste 1 year waiting for ETH. Between Ajax and Man Utd, I think the decision should be easy if he is really interested to join us in the summer. Else we should move on.
The other option Poch, Enrique are all top candidates. We need to build the squad in order to be able to challenge City and Pool, not only solely rely on Manager. We need to build the football structure for long term for every manager to succeed here.
65% of people wanting a manager who has never really managed outside of the Netherlands is surprising.
I mean, I have no idea what he’d be like here, and he could be a fantastic appointment, but the confidence some of you have seems a little misplaced. It’d be a risky appointment, no doubt about it.
Can’t shake the feeling that it could go a little bit Frank de Boer.
I mean, I have no idea what he’d be like here, and he could be a fantastic appointment, but the confidence some of you have seems a little misplaced. It’d be a risky appointment, no doubt about it.
Can’t shake the feeling that it could go a little bit Frank de Boer.
Any manager not named Klopp or Guardiola is a risky appointment. Many just think ETH is the best option of the managers available.
I know people's memories are short these days but it was literally 2 days ago that 2 of Rangnick's subs scored the 2 goals that won us the game.
The same could have been said of SAF at Aberdeen or Mourinho at Porto, but, although they'd never managed in a top league the scale of their achievements marked them out as exceptional managers and I think ten Hag's achievements in the CL over the past couple of years are equally impressive.
You're right though, it could be a disaster and Pochettino would be a safer choice.
I think there’s more risk with this than there would be with Pochettino, for example. He’d be the safer pair of hands in the short term. More of an upside if we turn into some sort of Total Footballing machine with the Dutchman, but I’m far too tired and cynical now to think that’ll work.
That's a bit of a lazy comparison, apart from the fact they're both Dutch and managed Ajax there's little similarity between De Boer and Ten Hag. Starting with the fact that, as far as I'm aware, even Ajax fans hated the guts of De Boer's football and considered him a negative fraud.
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You can maybe challenge for the CL with Poch or Enrique since knock out competitions are knock out competitions but I highly, highly doubt you can compete for the EPL with one of those two in charge. Over the course of almost 40 games, chance plays a significantly smaller role. And neither Poch nor Enrique have proven to be able to build teams that are as cohesive, organized and structured as City, Liverpool or Chelsea. Ten Hags Ajax is a stronger team than anything Poch or Enrique has built relative to the individual quality.
I think many clubs make the mistake and emphasize the short term too much. They have to let a manager go and commit themselves to sign an immediate replacement, limiting their selection to the candidates currently available. The new manager does reasonably well, a top candidate becomes available but they can't fire their current coach, one or two seasons later they again have to fire the coach and are left with what's available again. IMO a top club shouldn't build the appointment of the most important role in the club on coincidence and just hope that somehow they luckily end up at the right place at the right time. Ten Hag bears risks but at least he could be a match for Pep, Klopp and Tuchel. With Poch and Enriqe you know that they're very good but surely not on that level. And you shouldn't aim for anything below that. Better try and fail instead of settling for subpar.
I believe he did but when you don't know football like Ed the depth of your "comprehensive managerial search" will be shallow. The guy said he knew Ole was the right man when he walked into him planning his team years down the line. Ole could have been playing football manager on steam ffs. This story always stings. World of good that did for our trophy count and Ole's prospects.
This is exactly what they mean by comprehensive search for requirements haha
It’s why it’s a feeling. I have nothing to really support it aside from a bit of a hunch. As it stands, just about every hunch I have regarding what we do in the coming months is drenched with cynicism and negativity. The next De Boer he is then.
On the point of comparison, I think it’s reasonable to feel wary about a new kid on the block coming over to United from Ajax. The jump is a big one, and I think it’s fanciful to think that there would be any kind of overnight change in the way we play football. He certainly isn’t what you’d call a safe pair of hands, but maybe that isn’t what we need. I really don’t know.
So we'll be looking for a manager who compliments our current players then. Wouldn't want to be doing yet another expensive overhaul of the squad and reducing the owners dividends.
How is Pochettino the cheap option?
How the feck is this true? Arnold has already said he is leaving football decisions to those who have a better knowledge. If anyone is picking the manager it will be RR and Murtough. All Arnold/Glazers will want to know how much its going to cost.
If its true we will be fecked again.
Literally two days ago.
Nothing says that they personally do this. It is absolutely possible that those are the criteria Murtough pitched to them as his plan how to move forward, and that they just gave green light to this approach.
Where does it imply that on the quote?
Also if you look at evidence in the past, every new manager has been backed by the board. LVG, Jose and Ole all got backed in their 1st window.
Ogden knows jack shit he is a hack better put on ignore .
States 'players they would require'. So required investment in the squad is a consideration I'd say.
It's a risk, no doubt. But it always is, whether the risk of failure is greater than other candidates is debatable. I agree though that Pochettino is probably a safer bet, already due to the media and public being familiar with him and the surrounding voices (Neville etc) being sympathetic. But it's hard to see what more Ten Hag could possibly do to show that he's to be considered a top candidate for any job. He will take over a mega club at some point.
Generally speaking, the risk it doesn't work out well is always there but really, the worst thing that can happen is that you need to sack the manager again. United simply need to realize that sacking managers is a normal happening at a normal top club. It's not that huge moral failure that people like Neville make iit out to be. It's the prize of having very high demands and expectations.
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I have never seen any quotes from Arnold or the Glazers indicating that the Glazers will no longer have final say on transfers or football decisions.
Ten Hag will ultimately replace Nagelsmann at Bayern and everyone who doubted him will go: 'Oh, actually he is really good.'
My worry with Ten Hag is not that he is a bad coach, its that Man Utd is not the best club for someone like him to walk into.
There is an ongoing sense of disorder at Man Utd that a coach used to a well run supporting infrastructure may become disillusioned by. Pochettino is not my choice. However, having had to operate under Levy and Leonardo, he might be better prepared for the madness of Manchester United.
However, if we go for Pochettino my reaction will be a big shrug. I don't think he's a significantly better tactician than Rangnick (if at all). Nor do I believe he's the tactical equal of coaches like Klopp or Pep or Nagelsmann. Nor do I believe Man Utd have the quality to make up the gap in managerial ability between Pochettino and the best coaches in the world.
Perhaps I'm a glass half full kinda guy..?
Indeed and, if Joel Glazer did make this statement, you would be naïve to believe the spin and PR coming out of United.
The Glazers promised more regular communications after the super league fiasco. Has it happened?
I think its more to avoid a manager who wants marquee signings or more experienced players, ala Conte / Jose style.
With United's stock decreasing in footballing terms, attracting top players will become more difficult which means we might have to be creative in the window.
Absolutely. The Glazers have to pay debt, take dividend every year and budget for stadium infrastructure issues. The club is also on the stock market, it’s impossible for them to not be involved in budgeting and financial decisions.
It’s not like Chelsea or Man City where they have passive owners.
They seriously need to invest more in the stadium.
This could depend on opposition though, PSG have beat Madrid and could progress but could also be knocked out in the return leg where as Ajax only have benfica and should get through to the next round. Also what happens if we get through and end up playing Ajax but we knock them out… would everyone then not what ten Haag? Even though we have a much better team in reality.
It's not. The jurnos have no briefs so they have to make stuff up now. Every new journalistic story contradicts the last one. Even Ornstein hedged his bets by saying we are looking at a couple of candidates but refused to name the front runner.
Looks like with Woody out, they aren't getting any more scraps.
Tbf, every single point you brought up have been debated to no end on this thread. Instead of sounding like a broken record, just turn on the tele tomorrow and take a look for yourself the brand of football Ajax play on the biggest club competition on the planet, and then make your own informed conclusions.
Personally the match that convinced me that ETH is the man for the job, is when BVB got an early lead against Ajax, got a red card and then put 10 men behind to protect it. To me it was insane looking how much of a machine that Ajax side looked like. It looked like a chainsaw cutting throw a tree. Every single player on the pitch almost telepathically knew where his team mate was. They got the positional attacking side of the game down to a point where they don't have to look anymore before they pass. That to me is an insane level of coaching. If you want to watch the match, look up BVB vs Ajax on this year's group stage edition.
You do realize that Poch had the entire squad assembled at Tottenham prior to his arrival, and most of his star signings were done by Mitchell. Once he and the Spurs Dof left, and Poch was the one doing the recruitment and he literally recruited flops which Spurs have a tough time shifting to this day. Poch has an abysmal record when it comes to recruitment. That and his holistic approach isn't what we need coming back of Ole's mates FC.Ten Hag will ultimately replace Nagelsmann at Bayern and everyone who doubted him will go: 'Oh, actually he is really good.'
My worry with Ten Hag is not that he is a bad coach, its that Man Utd is not the best club for someone like him to walk into.
There is an ongoing sense of disorder at Man Utd that a coach used to a well run supporting infrastructure may become disillusioned by. Pochettino is not my choice. However, having had to operate under Levy and Leonardo, he might be better prepared for the madness of Manchester United.
Erik ten Hag walked into a much bigger mess at Utrecht than United ever was. Aside from the fact that they didn't have a groundsman, their entire team was composed of mostly overpaid and underperforming prima donnas. Not only did he whip them into shape, but he also managed to clear out the slackers and replace them while being in a financial deficit all the while reaching for the groupstages of the Europa League.
His pre Ajax days exploits are almost Fergie like. You can read more about them here: Why you should watch out for FC Utrecht's Erik ten Hag This post was made 4 years ago when he was still manager at Utrecht.
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