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[Lash]

Was I on holiday when Poch became a controversial appointment? I fully understand that Ten Hag is a sexier choice. We haven’t been exposed to his shortcomings, he’s done a good job at Ajax and brought them a couple of Champions League runs. I’m sure that he’d be a good appointment for us.

That said, 99% of United fans- including me- know f*** all about the Dutch League. So we’re shielded from his weaknesses. Poch’s time at Spurs makes a very very strong case for him getting the United job and a couple of underwhelming years at PSG doesn’t discredit that for me.

Why? He won nothing in that time and is not better than two of the managers currently we'd be aiming to better and there's a strong case he's not any better than Conte or Tuchel. I think if you want to cement top 4, then he's a good manager - we're not winning anything with him though, he simply has no record of that in the prem.

I'd rather attempt someone who is quite clearly on the up, has a discernable style that is modern and forward thinking.

If we could get Enrique, I would love that, but think that's unrealistic.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

270 pages into this thread and we're still getting the same repetitive arguments against Pochettino.

If you're going to keep saying he won nothing at Spurs and isn't better than Guardiola, Conte or Klopp, let's at least acknowledge that he finished above all 3 of them in the league at least once while managing a team with a fraction of their resources.

 

[Kaos]

Pochettino will be a quality acquisition, enough of this Ten hag or bust mentality.

Frank de boer and koeman did wonders at Ajax, look at how they flopped when they moved to tougher leagues, Ajax has a deeply rooted possession based football philosophy in the club from the u18 to the senior team, it is not as if Ajax was a long ball tony pulis football side and ten hag coached them to play tiki taka.

If Poch is hired, lets get behind him.

Neither of those Dutch managers have gotten Ajax that close to a CL final or broken the domestic records Ten Hag has. Yes he's a risky appointment, but his ceiling remains potentially very high whereas we pretty much know where Poch's ceiling is.

It would be nice for once for us to make a statement by going for a progressive, modern coach already at a club and highly coveted by Europe's elite, than a lame duck manager who will inevitably be out of the job in the summer and who's main pull will be the convenience of his availability.

The damning assessment here is questioning which big club besides us would entertain hiring Poch? I can' think of many, whereas Ten Hag will almost likely have his share of suitors. That tells you something surely?

 

[Lash]

270 pages into this thread and we're still getting the same repetitive arguments against Pochettino.

If you're going to keep saying he won nothing at Spurs and isn't better than Guardiola, Conte or Klopp, let's at least acknowledge that he finished above all 3 of them in the league at least once while managing a team with a fraction of their resources.

So did Ranieri, should we sign him? He isn't better than Klopp or Pep though, that's just an objective fact.

So now we're deciding if he's any better than the rest, in Conte and Tuchel. I'd argue no, but can see why people might think otherwise.

Why was no one was clamouring to hire him after Spurs sacked him, if he did such a good job there? I think the Poch being a modern manager and an appointment for the future is for the birds. He'd definitely be decent for a top 4 fight, but he's not bringing us back to the top.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I'm happy with him

Me too, which is probably why it won't happen

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

So did Ranieri, should we sign him? He isn't better than Klopp or Pep though, that's just an objective fact.

Wrong. Ranieri never finished above Guardiola or Conte

 

[Lash]

Wrong. Ranieri never finished above Guardiola or Conte

Apologies, thought Pep was at city at that point.

Still, odd argument about Poch finishing above those managers at least once, when they've all won the league and he hasn't.

 

[ManchesterManchester]

So did Ranieri, should we sign him? He isn't better than Klopp or Pep though, that's just an objective fact.

So now we're deciding if he's any better than the rest, in Conte and Tuchel. I'd argue no, but can see why people might think otherwise.

Why was no one was clamouring to hire him after Spurs sacked him, if he did such a good job there? I think the Poch being a modern manager and an appointment for the future is for the birds. He'd definitely be decent for a top 4 fight, but he's not bringing us back to the top.

I agree with that, I see Poch in the same level as Brendan Rogers, both are elite coaches who can guarantee results. They can win a title in a one team league, can finish top 4 and go far in cup competitions. They just don’t have that extra level, the likes of Klopp and Pep.

I would obviously support him with my all if he got appointed. However, right now I feel it would be pointless because it would seem like we aren’t trying to get our crown back. It would be really great if we got the next great up and coming manager rather than someone who’s been around.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

Still, odd argument about Poch finishing above those managers at least once, when they've all won the league and he hasn't.

See the bit about "with a fraction of their resources". He consistently over-performed.

As for no one clamouring to hire him when Spurs sacked him... that's what I would call an odd argument considering he was linked with Bayern and Madrid for years and eventually ended up at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

 

[Tom Cato]

270 pages into this thread and we're still getting the same repetitive arguments against Pochettino.

If you're going to keep saying he won nothing at Spurs and isn't better than Guardiola, Conte or Klopp, let's at least acknowledge that he finished above all 3 of them in the league at least once while managing a team with a fraction of their resources.

Well we finished above Klopp as well but no one here cares about that.

Pep was a proven winner, despite never taking a club that was much of a project, he has always had a bottomless pit of money to barter with.

Klopp was a proven winner, and loser, and winner when he came to Liverpool.

Poch took Totteham farther than they had any business being, then lost the dressingroom, then took the PSG job where he has been unable to do much of substance thus far. Its been a few years since he made any splash.

Ten Hag isnt just the sexy choice, he is by some margin the most exciting managerial talent in Europe

 

[Lash]

I agree with that, I see Poch in the same level as Brendan Rogers, both are elite coaches who can guarantee results. They can win a title in a one team league, can finish top 4 and go far in cup competitions. They just don’t have that extra level, the likes of Klopp and Pep.

I would obviously support him with my all if he got appointed. However, right now I feel it would be pointless because it would seem like we aren’t trying to get our crown back. It would be really great if we got the next great up and coming manager rather than someone who’s been around.

I was actually going to put the Brendan comparison in my post, it's actually eerily similar to what he achieved at Liverpool and how it unravelled there too. Didn't even think of the Celtic comparison as well!

See the bit about "with a fraction of their resources". He consistently over-performed.

As for no one clamouring to hire him when Spurs sacked him... that's what I would call an odd argument considering he was linked with Bayern and Madrid for years and eventually ended up at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Apart from when it all fell apart under his watch and he got sacked.

How is that an odd argument? He was without a club for a year after leaving Spurs. If he was such a good manager, people would have been bending over backwards to get him in. How did that Bayern and Madrid interest pan out? Fair play getting the PSG job, but that is also looking highly likely he'll get sacked from there too. His CV does not read as someone on the up.

 

[Parma Dewol]

Always so hard to predict who would be the right manager - God knows we’ve been wrong before - but something about Erik Ten Haag just feels right.

At this point it’ll be such a huge challenge for whoever is willing to take it on. I personally think a huge cultural reset is necessary. Ralf is starting us down that road, and from what I can tell every single player has to be fully onboard for Erik’s system to work.

Would be fascinated to see how he might pan out, and surely we’re destined to be managed by an Erik.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

Well we finished above Klopp as well but no one here cares about that.

Hard to believe considering the number of times it was brought up all last season, but yes, we did. We also spend comparable amounts of money to buy and pay our players as Klopp, though.

It's fine to think Ten Hag is the more exciting choice. There's more than one good manager in the world that would do a good job with us, and Pochettino is one of the top choices, but for some reason dozens of people on here have retroactively decided he was never really that good at Spurs and will never amount to anything if he does get the job here. This person I was just engaging with doesn't even remember who was managing which team in the Prem in 2016 but is comfortable claiming Spurs's manager didn't do "such a good job" over a four-year spell where he took the club farther than they had any business being (your words).

 

[Caesar2290]

See the bit about "with a fraction of their resources". He consistently over-performed.

As for no one clamouring to hire him when Spurs sacked him... that's what I would call an odd argument considering he was linked with Bayern and Madrid for years and eventually ended up at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

I don't understand this argument. He had at his disposal players like Lloris, Alderwiereld, Vertoghen, Trippier, Walker, Delle Ali, Eriksen, Kane and Son. All in their prime and all would fetch at least 60 million in todays market, yet the way some posters talk here you would think he had a strike force of Tadic and Haller.

270 pages into this thread and we're still getting the same repetitive arguments against Pochettino.

If you're going to keep saying he won nothing at Spurs and isn't better than Guardiola, Conte or Klopp, let's at least acknowledge that he finished above all 3 of them in the league at least once while managing a team with a fraction of their resources.

Also I don't understand this argument here. Ole finished above Klopp who has similar spending. Does that make Ole a comparable manager to either of them.

Let's be real. Poch had a very very good PL side, yet he wasted any opportunity to win a trophy. I'm not talking CL. PL was there for the taking before Klopp and Pep became elite. FA cup was there for the taking. Hell even a league cup would have gone a long way. Mourinho while being washed up still won 2 trophies with us.

Hard to believe considering the number of times it was brought up all last season, but yes, we did. We also spend comparable amounts of money to buy and pay our players as Klopp, though.

It's fine to think Ten Hag is the more exciting choice. There's more than one good manager in the world that would do a good job with us, and Pochettino is one of the top choices, but for some reason dozens of people on here have retroactively decided he was never really that good at Spurs and will never amount to anything if he does get the job here. This person I was just engaging with doesn't even remember who was managing which team in the Prem in 2016 but is comfortable claiming Spurs's manager didn't do "such a good job" over a four-year spell where he took the club farther than they had any business being (your words).

Mate, a manager who never won or consistently challenged for top trophies should never even be reviewed to become a United manager. Period.

We had 2 manager who won major trophies in LVG and Mourinho and 2 who didn't win anything major. And guess what, both LVG and Mourinho won trophies with us, while Ole and Moyes failed. It's not that difficult.

Poch is a managers suited for Arsenal. Perpetual top4 finishes without a serious challenge. And that scares because if he takes the job here, we are doomed to becoming the next Arsenal. He will become unsackable because we don't sack manager who are on course to finish Top4. Whilist we will never challenge for top honors.

 

[Womp]

Think we've very much seen Poch's ceiling. I don't see him being much better than he has been up until this point. It's also worrying that you could argue the last time he actually had a good season was years ago now, given the circumstances.

More than anything, I just think Ten Hag has a more modern and progressive style, has a higher ceiling and is a manager who is on the up. I think we need to end the cycle of hiring managers who have stagnated or were once good. You can make excuses as to why his PSG reign has gone the way it has - but all we've got to go off as of late is the fact that he was sacked at Spurs after a poor end to his time there and then has been underwhelming at PSG since.

 

[sglowrider]

If we could get Enrique, I would love that, but think that's unrealistic.

But if you look at Enrique's club record at Roma and Celta, it does make you question him too. The only club management he has done well was at Messilona.

 

[sglowrider]

Well we finished above Klopp as well but no one here cares about that.

Pep was a proven winner, despite never taking a club that was much of a project, he has always had a bottomless pit of money to barter with.

Klopp was a proven winner, and loser, and winner when he came to Liverpool.

Poch took Tottenham farther than they had any business being, then lost the dressingroom, then took the PSG job where he has been unable to do much of substance thus far. Its been a few years since he made any splash.

Ten Hag isnt just the sexy choice, he is by some margin the most exciting managerial talent in Europe

Poch is Tottenham. Both are match made in heaven. He epitomises or is the personification of being spursy.

 

[DJ_21]

If the glazers have any footballing knowledge at all then this is how it should go… ten Haag as manager, rangnick as director of football and van der sar as CEO, surely them football brains would bring us back to the glory days!

 

[FrankDrebin]

But if you look at Enrique's club record at Roma and Celta, it does make you question him too. The only club management he has done well was at Messilona.

What's his record and performance level for Spain ?

 

[Pronewbie]

I'm fine with ETH or Poch. Hope either one gets the job and does well for us. I'd imagine Poch, like Tuchel, would have gained tremendous experience from having to manage a club like PSG. ETH clearly punches above his weight and plays a style that will suit our squad.

 

[Lash]

But if you look at Enrique's club record at Roma and Celta, it does make you question him too. The only club management he has done well was at Messilona.

That's a fair point, guess I'm only going off his Spain and Barca times.

 

[Laurencio]

I don't understand this argument. He had at his disposal players like Lloris, Alderwiereld, Vertoghen, Trippier, Walker, Delle Ali, Eriksen, Kane and Son. All in their prime and all would fetch at least 60 million in todays market, yet the way some posters talk here you would think he had a strike force of Tadic and Haller.

Also I don't understand this argument here. Ole finished above Klopp who has similar spending. Does that make Ole a comparable manager to either of them.

Let's be real. Poch had a very very good PL side, yet he wasted any opportunity to win a trophy. I'm not talking CL. PL was there for the taking before Klopp and Pep became elite. FA cup was there for the taking. Hell even a league cup would have gone a long way. Mourinho while being washed up still won 2 trophies with us.


Mate, a manager who never won or consistently challenged for top trophies should never even be reviewed to become a United manager. Period.

We had 2 manager who won major trophies in LVG and Mourinho and 2 who didn't win anything major. And guess what, both LVG and Mourinho won trophies with us, while Ole and Moyes failed. It's not that difficult.

Poch is a managers suited for Arsenal. Perpetual top4 finishes without a serious challenge. And that scares because if he takes the job here, we are doomed to becoming the next Arsenal. He will become unsackable because we don't sack manager who are on course to finish Top4. Whilist we will never challenge for top honors.

What is challenging for a top trophy? Poch got Spurs into a CL final, and lost out on the league title to Chelsea who finished with 93 points - second highest point tally in league history at the time. Spurs finished with 86 points, their highest ever points tally and they got to two FA Cup semi-finals where they were beat by us and Chelsea during his stint.

Which of these three are not a top trophy?

Meanwhile the net-spend at Spurs was less than 20M pounds a year. Even Leicster's was higher.

You claim the PL was there for the taking. Yet aside from his first full year, it wasn't. 2015 was Leicester's freak season - and Spurs were within touching distance for most of the season - including a 14 game unbeaten run, and probably lost it with a draw against WBA (own goal) and Chelsea (chaos of a match). Aside from that;

2016/2017 - Chelsea 93 points
2017/2018 - City 100 points
2018/2019 - City 98 points
2019/2020 - Liverpool 99 points

None of those seem like opportunities to challenge for the title.
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The criteria is also just weird.

By that criteria Ten Hag is out too - only won trophies in one horse competitions. Never challenged for any top trophies (semi finals and finals don't count apparently).

Your criteria also leaves out Nagelsmann pre Bayern - who was and is easily one of the most exciting managerial talents in the world.

So again, you are left with Zidane and Enrique. The rest simply don't match the criteria.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[Delano]

Does Neil Ashton still work at United? If so, this is so transparent its unreal.

 

[VidaRed]

Im against poch because the players want him.

I want the players to get the boot and for poch not to be anywhere near the club.

Rangnick to clean shop and hand it over to ten hag on a clean slate.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Pochettino would be fantastic appointment.

 

[Devil may care]

He "really fits" in that he'll keep his mouth shut, do as he's told and keep top 4 alive as that's all the Glazers give a shit about, beyond that if we bring him in I give up, another 2 seasons minimum of boring, personality free dreck. If we can't get Ten Hag this summer or aren't convinced by him, leave Rangnick in place for a season and get Enrique in 2023, it's also possible Nagelsmann and Bayern might have parted ways by then.

 

[VidaRed]

He "really fits" in that he'll keep his mouth shut, do as he's told and keep top 4 alive as that's all the Glazers give a shit about, beyond that if we bring him in I give up, another 2 seasons minimum of boring, personality free dreck. If we can't get Ten Hag this summer or aren't convinced by him, leave Rangnick in place for a season and get Enrique in 2023, it's also possible Nagelsmann and Bayern might have parted ways by then.

He'll also not check the player power in the dressing room.

Poch appointment will be as disastrous as ole tenure, it will set back the club by atleast a decade.

 

[VidaRed]

Every manager in this poll will FAIL here if the snakepit is not cleared before the next season starts.

I'd start with booting out lingard, maguire, shaw and henderson.

Next cavani, ronaldo, mata and matic need to be moved, they haven't got the legs to be in the starting xi anymore.

Rashford needs to be put on notice that if doesn't buckle up he'll be sold to the highest bidder.

 

[Telsim]

He "really fits" in that he'll keep his mouth shut, do as he's told and keep top 4 alive as that's all the Glazers give a shit about, beyond that if we bring him in I give up, another 2 seasons minimum of boring, personality free dreck. If we can't get Ten Hag this summer or aren't convinced by him, leave Rangnick in place for a season and get Enrique in 2023, it's also possible Nagelsmann and Bayern might have parted ways by then.

Preach, brother. This is the exact scenario I think will happen. The club will appoint Poch because he is convenient, we will struggle for 3 years until he finally falls apart during his 4th season ala Ole, get sacked, and we will be back to square one. Meanwhile, City will have appointed Ten Hag and will be sweeping the league.

I do wonder for who will we go then?

 

[VidaRed]

Preach, brother. This is the exact scenario I think will happen. The club will appoint Poch because he is convenient, we will struggle for 3 years until he finally falls apart during his 4th season ala Ole, get sacked, and we will be back to square one. Meanwhile, City will have appointed Ten Hag and will be sweeping the league.

I do wonder for who will we go then?

Rooney.

 

[VP89]

He'll also not check the player power in the dressing room.

Poch appointment will be as disastrous as ole tenure, it will set back the club by atleast a decade.

No it wont.
The hyperbole toward Poch is extremely tiring.

 

[lsd]

No it wont.
The hyperbole toward Poch is extremely tiring.

It really is I'm finding that even in threads that are about any other manager the same posters have hijacked the thread to criticise Poch.

It's starting to echo Everton fans harrassment of Perriera as they had their hearts set on Lampard instead which I hope turns out to be the disaster I think it will be.

It is a small minority but they are extremely vocal and keep pushing the same agenda over and over again in multiple threads

 

[Devil may care]

He'll also not check the player power in the dressing room.

Poch appointment will be as disastrous as ole tenure, it will set back the club by atleast a decade.

Yeah, it's why the story of some players wanting him feels very likely, back to the protective bubble for the spineless twats.

Preach, brother. This is the exact scenario I think will happen. The club will appoint Poch because he is convenient, we will struggle for 3 years until he finally falls apart during his 4th season ala Ole, get sacked, and we will be back to square one. Meanwhile, City will have appointed Ten Hag and will be sweeping the league.

I do wonder for who will we go then?

VivaRed said it but I'm sure Rooney would be an option if he's managed to get and keep Derby in the PL by then, and I wouldn't rule out Fletcher either, he seems to have worked his way into the dugout already despite his role at the club having zero reason for him to be there.

No it wont.
The hyperbole toward Poch is extremely tiring.

Not as tiring as having him as manager will be mate.

 

[saivet]

He'll also not check the player power in the dressing room.

Poch appointment will be as disastrous as ole tenure, it will set back the club by atleast a decade.

Why not? Believe he cleared out 'bad eggs' at Spurs when he arrived and it doesn't seem like he is struggling any more than the next manager PSG in regards to dressing room power.

 

[VP89]

Not as tiring as having him as manager will be mate.

For you, probably.
I don't get the logic of posters writing Poch off, it's just based on the most imbecilic logic ever, especially if the same posters want ETH.

 

[elmo]

I would say the biggest red flag against Poch is that he's who our players want. We should stop giving into the players and start moving on those that fail to stay in line.

 

[RORY65]

No it wont.
The hyperbole toward Poch is extremely tiring.

I have to agree with this, I sort of think it's occurred in part because so many people spent years hyping up Ole and defending the decision to appoint him instead of Pochettino that they can't even slightly backtrack. Personally I would prefer Ten Hag, partially because I've really enjoyed watching Ajax whenever I have in recent years and because even though he's older than Pochettino I feel like we don't know how good he can be yet, but Pochettino is still a very good manager (albeit not of the class of Guardiola, Klopp or Conte - which is an issue) and would almost certainly be the best appointment post-Ferguson.

It's just bollocks to compare a guy whose CV was limited to managing in the Norwegian league and getting relegated with Cardiff in his only period outside of Norway to a manager who massively improved Southampton, got fecking Tottenham to 2nd and the Champions League final and is set to win Ligue 1 (admittedly with the pervasive favourites). The reality is we're in a position where we can't get either of the 2 best managers in the world because they manage our biggest rivals, which is shit, and so whoever we get is going to be inferior but there are still good managers who can still be successful, especially given that Guardiola will be gone after next year, if the club works smarter in other areas. If they don't then the managerial appointment is kind of irrelevant.

 

[Big Andy]

I honestly don't think anyone can fix the mess we're in at the moment, not Pochettino, not Ten Hag, not Rangnick,not anyone. And that's purely due to our online twitter fan base and the recent rise of "fan cam" bellends making it untenable.

As soon as there's a few bad results, or a signing that doesn't hit the ground running, the knives are out straight away, from there the press get their claws in and spin the narrative to create more clicks and stories, and it snowballs and just creates more pressure. It's a poisoned chalice coming to United, and if I were a player or a manager, I'd be tempted to steer clear of it, as it's a toxic shitshow.

 

[Devil may care]

For you, probably.
I don't get the logic of posters writing Poch off, it's just based on the most imbecilic logic ever, especially if the same posters want ETH.

Boring football, spineless personality, failed in the PL and CL when it came to the crunch, these are the issues, with Ten Hag we don't know, he might fail, but at least he has a great style of football and the personality for a big club, whether he fails the bigger tests are still unknown but at least there would be hope and entertainment on the way to finding out.