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very true. Players should just focus on delivering on the pitch
i thought it was already decided he will leave at the end of the season
Double that. Absolutely plonkers the lot of them if they think they can decide. Don't even talk to them. Anyone in the management who thinks so should be sacked on the spot.
I think two equally good options are
ETH in the summer
Pro - long term build started early
Con - hes still unproven.
Rangnick one more season and Enrique after that
Pro - Enrique has more pedigree
Con - transfer business will need to bare his style and Rangnick style in mind.
Yes because you expected to win anything with spurs. spurs spend much more than United, Chelsea, arsenal, liverpool, city, etc. at psg, he already has a few cups in his name and about to comfortably walk the league. Something that champions league winner Tuchel couldn’t do and even was one of the basis for his sacking in his last season.
Sadly, I think Klopp is a once in a generation manager but they got him.
Would also argue that while shit on the pitch at the time, they weren’t anywhere near the colossal tyre fire we currently have at United, off the pitch at least.
Based on the blatant recent briefing on Poch I genuinely think we’ve already done that.
Enrique's the middle man. Where Hag and Poch fans can come together and unite...argue even more.
Huh? How come? They are the ones playing on the pitch. If the players are willing to run through walls for a manager like Pochettino, it is better than downing tools over another manager they don't prefer. Even if we replace most of the players, it will cost a fortune and be near impossible to do especially after we have wasted so much in the last few season. Financially it won't make sense and even in term of performance it doesn't either because getting in different players will require time for them to build chemistry.
Because it gives into to a squad already full of player power and also what do they know about how he manages? Apart from Shaw I don't think any of the squad have worked under him. They will only know things they've heard. They (and fans) aren't qualified to make a managerial decision. And unfortunately whilst they should be, I don't think our board is either.
When Mourinho came and won the UEFA Cup for the first time for us and the League Cup, we all thought we were back on track.
By the end of course most of us had had enough of the drama and were glad he was gone.
But to be fair to him, I remember he wanted to strengthen the CB position and the player he wanted was on the wrong side of the age spectrum.
"No resale value".
No value in the market was something that we learned even during Fergie's time.
In a football club all other considerations are subordinate to the needs of the supporters, who Are the football club.
That is what I remember growing up supporting United.
This is no longer true.
Many have bought into the propaganda. We have spent so much.
The DM position need was so apparent to all. Yet, that was totally ignored because we did not have money to spend after what we splurged on Ronaldo.
Again that need was ignored this last window.
The Greenwood situation needed to be addressed in the window too. That too was not addressed. We have two ageing strikers who have gone cold and a misfiring one in Rashford.
We are depending on Elanga now and midfielders.
Top 4 will be difficult.
Another wasted season.
Any new manager has to consider all the obstacle he faces coming to United the way it is run.
Klopp saw the circus and wisely said no. He did not want to be the next clown.
By the end of course most of us had had enough of the drama and were glad he was gone.
But to be fair to him, I remember he wanted to strengthen the CB position and the player he wanted was on the wrong side of the age spectrum.
"No resale value".
No value in the market was something that we learned even during Fergie's time.
In a football club all other considerations are subordinate to the needs of the supporters, who Are the football club.
That is what I remember growing up supporting United.
This is no longer true.
Many have bought into the propaganda. We have spent so much.
The DM position need was so apparent to all. Yet, that was totally ignored because we did not have money to spend after what we splurged on Ronaldo.
Again that need was ignored this last window.
The Greenwood situation needed to be addressed in the window too. That too was not addressed. We have two ageing strikers who have gone cold and a misfiring one in Rashford.
We are depending on Elanga now and midfielders.
Top 4 will be difficult.
Another wasted season.
Any new manager has to consider all the obstacle he faces coming to United the way it is run.
Klopp saw the circus and wisely said no. He did not want to be the next clown.
You are absolutely right the fans are not happy and it's stupid but then when has that stopped United?
In the summer we were clamouring for a CDM and also in the winter and there were consistent briefs we won't do it. And in the end we didn't.
These people don't care.
Not to be a downer but Tuchel walked the league the season before he was sacked.
He also has made the final in every single domestic cup he's been competing in since his time at PSG or something ridiculous like that. Might even include the CL as well.
The player power dynamic will be hard to get rid of unless we change our transfer policies, in particular wage structure and identifyingthe ideal candidate for the club. Top club are typically filled with superstars, so there will always be that player power dynamic present unless the player has a great relationship with the manager and they are willing to adhere to his principles. As you stated, these players only hear what they heard about Pochettino and considering that footballer are typically closely associated with each other, it would make sense that many United player have heard positive news about Pochettino tactics from players that has played with them. It is better to have a happy atmosphere in the dressing room than a toxic one that we saw under mourinho and somewhat seeing under Ralf. In my opinion, the players should have a say, and their input should be heard from the board that includes the people who are in charge of football and also the financial aspect of Manchester united
Poch, ETH or Enrique. I can get behind any of the 3. All have pros and cons. Good list. I wouldn't be against Potter either but could understand reservations at this point. He'll probably be our manager in 3 years when the next guy fails 
Does it concern anyone else that what our players leak is guaranteed to go to press/tweet/be released to the public en masse?
Why and how have they acquired such power? As a genuine question: does this happen at any other club in the PL?
Why and how have they acquired such power? As a genuine question: does this happen at any other club in the PL?
Tuchel struggled in his last season, he definitely didnt walk that one. Tuchel expertise is definitely in cup competition as seen with Chelsea, so not surprised about that record.
He was widely known to have issues with that weirdo Leonardo and he didn't really struggle, PSG weren't in a much worse position than at the end of the league IIRC.
That Lille team is also quite decent, so I am not sure why one season of average performances is that big of a deal.
In any case, Tuchel is definitely a cup manager but Pochettino has not really done that much better than him because they'll both walk the league in their first full season.
No, they shouldn't be heard because it advocates for a bunch of individuals that we believe have character flaws, at least within the confines of a team being trusted with a responsibility of judgement that is far beyond their station. Basically, you want the lunatics running the asylum.
Even if they're "happy" for a few months and "running through walls", players are fickle. That happiness can wain as soon as results turn, or the manager's disposition towards individuals turns.
It's not just about new manager bounce. It is about the most credible man available. The one who is tactically good enough, good enough in preparation, good enough with transfers, good enough to represent a massive club in all aspects of the job including with the media, stand out enough to turn a juggernaut around. If that is Pochettino he should be picked, but not because the players have a shallow conception of his ability based on hearsay. Baffling you'd even argue for it on such thin reasoning.
Yea as you noted, that lille team was good and reminded me of the leceister team. I believe they only lost three games that season, so perhaps that one season could be an outlier. Even then, stat showed that when pochettino took over, there was an improvement in their league form, he continued towards winning the domestic cup and almost made it to the champion league final. So as you noted the difference isnt that much, and seeing how well tuchel is doing at Chelsea well in terms of cup competition, it could be an indicator to why we are heavily interested in Pochettino
It’s yet another sign of how badly our Club is run if an agreement with the new manager isn’t already in place.
Both ETH & Poch are currently in jobs and it’s midseason so I’m hoping it’s a done dealio behind closed doors but won’t be announced until the season is over.
But it’s Utd, so probably not.
Both ETH & Poch are currently in jobs and it’s midseason so I’m hoping it’s a done dealio behind closed doors but won’t be announced until the season is over.
But it’s Utd, so probably not.
I am baffled that you even argued against it as it is the players who perform on the pitch and team morale is a huge reason for a team to be successful. Their opinion shouldn't be the final say, but to say it shouldn't be considered is ridiculous.
They have got the previous 4 sacked.
Only thing that is expected from them is performance. Next manager appointment is not their business. If they aren’t happy with next manager appointment they can find a new job. Its not like this lot is successful and the current manager is retiring. You dont ask least performing people for opinion. And this lot are the definition of that.
They got the 4 previous sacked when team morale was down, i.e the manager has lost the dressing room which was noted on here many times. But when team morale was high we saw how brilliantly we performed. How can you perform well if their is a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room? And as noted we aren't getting rid of half of our players especially how wasteful we have been in the last few season so for anyone to even suggest that they are crazy. An important factor towards picking our next manager is that he will unite these current players and create a good atmosphere that will make them perform at the highlest level. The players wanting Pochettino is a good indicator of a unity that will be built.
@Amadaeus
I know you are very knowledgeable about Poch and are a fan of his. I’m interested to know how you think he would do at United, what his strengths would be and if he’s the coach you feel could return success to Old Trafford?
I know you are very knowledgeable about Poch and are a fan of his. I’m interested to know how you think he would do at United, what his strengths would be and if he’s the coach you feel could return success to Old Trafford?
Would you expect the owner of the business you work for to ask for recommendations on who should manage you and your colleagues?
Actually I made that experience, that team members are included in interviews with potential team leads. Just to check if the chemistry is right between team and manager. So yes, this is not unusual in some companies.
How did it work out?
Can't see it working too well at United, as others have mentioned, they've seen the back of 4 other managers previously and it'd lead to a catastrophic failure should we listen to them this time.
I'm happy with him
If poch's biggest attribute is PL know-how then we ought to hire Roy hodgson.
Don't know. I didn't get that job
Erik ten Hag: Ajax (hugely overperformed)
Pochettino: Espanyol (at par), Southampton (overperformed), Tottenham (overperformed), PSG (at par or slightly underperformed)
Poch has the broad experience in managing across 3 leagues (including EPL) so he is more exposed to different philosophies in real-world game-time, has goodwill from fans in 3 out of his 4 previous clubs (could be 4 in 4 if PSG does well in CL), has overperformed with 2 teams in the EPL, has reached a CL final, has experience of managing a team filled with egos (PSG) and is likely to have the experience of winning a League title this season.
Its an absolute no-brainer as to who is more likely to succeed at United.
Pochettino: Espanyol (at par), Southampton (overperformed), Tottenham (overperformed), PSG (at par or slightly underperformed)
Poch has the broad experience in managing across 3 leagues (including EPL) so he is more exposed to different philosophies in real-world game-time, has goodwill from fans in 3 out of his 4 previous clubs (could be 4 in 4 if PSG does well in CL), has overperformed with 2 teams in the EPL, has reached a CL final, has experience of managing a team filled with egos (PSG) and is likely to have the experience of winning a League title this season.
Its an absolute no-brainer as to who is more likely to succeed at United.
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OK fair enough about Ten Hag. What do you mean with Poch will be more or less the same? I don't get it, you mean like Ole-ball? Thank god no, I'm sure as hell that will be like night and day.
You mean the dude that got 2 Bundesligas and a champions league final on his CV? Yeah we're talking about the same guy
Possible WUM.
I'm not gonna go all the things that have been posted before about the advantages of Poch and why he is a great manager and why a lot of our fans would prefer Poch over Ten Hag (who I'm not saying that he isn't a good coach, just inexperienced in the PL).
OhDon't know. I didn't get that job
hope you got the next one!Was I on holiday when Poch became a controversial appointment? I fully understand that Ten Hag is a sexier choice. We haven’t been exposed to his shortcomings, he’s done a good job at Ajax and brought them a couple of Champions League runs. I’m sure that he’d be a good appointment for us.
That said, 99% of United fans- including me- know f*** all about the Dutch League. So we’re shielded from his weaknesses. Poch’s time at Spurs makes a very very strong case for him getting the United job and a couple of underwhelming years at PSG doesn’t discredit that for me.
That said, 99% of United fans- including me- know f*** all about the Dutch League. So we’re shielded from his weaknesses. Poch’s time at Spurs makes a very very strong case for him getting the United job and a couple of underwhelming years at PSG doesn’t discredit that for me.
I did, but not on management level. Nonetheless got the same money, so I guess I'm luckyOh
Pochettino will be a quality acquisition, enough of this Ten hag or bust mentality.
Frank de boer and koeman did wonders at Ajax, look at how they flopped when they moved to tougher leagues, Ajax has a deeply rooted possession based football philosophy in the club from the u18 to the senior team, it is not as if Ajax was a long ball tony pulis football side and ten hag coached them to play tiki taka.
If Poch is hired, lets get behind him.
Frank de boer and koeman did wonders at Ajax, look at how they flopped when they moved to tougher leagues, Ajax has a deeply rooted possession based football philosophy in the club from the u18 to the senior team, it is not as if Ajax was a long ball tony pulis football side and ten hag coached them to play tiki taka.
If Poch is hired, lets get behind him.
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