It's probably going to be Poch.
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Poch is the ideal candidate.
Done a great job at a newly promoted Premier League team turning them into a top 7 side, then turned Spurs from a top 7 side into a regular top 3 side. Not only that, went very far in Europe with them. Now he’s ready to go another step up the PL ladder.
His teams have always played good football and been built on bringing through young players and very smart signings.
The only issue is that he hasn’t won anything. But by the end of this season he will have won the League with Paris. The psychological barrier that genuinely seems to matter will be gone, French league or not.
He definitely has the CV to fit the billing for a young, hungry manager at a club who wants to win top honours again.
Done a great job at a newly promoted Premier League team turning them into a top 7 side, then turned Spurs from a top 7 side into a regular top 3 side. Not only that, went very far in Europe with them. Now he’s ready to go another step up the PL ladder.
His teams have always played good football and been built on bringing through young players and very smart signings.
The only issue is that he hasn’t won anything. But by the end of this season he will have won the League with Paris. The psychological barrier that genuinely seems to matter will be gone, French league or not.
He definitely has the CV to fit the billing for a young, hungry manager at a club who wants to win top honours again.
If Poch is who the clueless banker and the players want then he's obviously the wrong choice.
He was the right choice in 2018 when the other clueless banker gave Ole a 3 year deal he hadn't earned.
He was the right choice in 2018 when the other clueless banker gave Ole a 3 year deal he hadn't earned.
I agree Klopp and Pep are the only ones on that level. Which is why I said we really need to find the next up and coming great. All the other current managers out there have a ceiling which we already know. If we want to overthrow Man City and Liverpool then we have to identify the next Pep/Klopp before anyone else does.
As for your assessment of Ten Haag vs Pep. I agree that perhaps some are over rating Ten Haag and I agree he’s a big risk. The risk also has the biggest possible benefit though, as if he is the real deal then he is a better manager than Poch. If we want to win the league ever again then we need to take these risks.
The Glazers will love Poch for being able to give too 4 on a shoe string budget though so can see us hiring him. I hope your right and he can do more with better players than he had at Tottenham.
Sounds like someone has a serious case of SNTS. Pochettino is good enough though. He regularly finished ahead of United on a shoestring budget. Spurs got to a Champions League final as recently as less than 3 years ago, got robbed by a dubious penalty at the start of the game.
Was Poch finishing ahead of Utd regularly not down to us being gash though?
It was down to him been a bloody fine coach.
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Hardly anyone thinks Poch is world class. But there is a feckload of idiot posts already insinuating ETH is the second coming of Christ. That is the problem here. People like you want to rewrite history by claiming Poch was a failure in the PL (absolutely and utterly laughable) and a failure in the CL after reaching the final (even more laughable).
What Kaos and certain others like you have insinuated, is that you know Poch's ceiling. That is a complete pile of dross - the guy is 3 years younger than Ten Hag and thrown himself into more tedious situations to grow from. How anyone can rule out a high potential manager at 49 years of age is a joke.
He helped build that squad. You can't go back and say "oh we had a bad squad" even though United spent a feck ton more and actually had big players to contribute, and City were walking the league, and Chelsea spent with a better squad too. But no, he must be treading top 4 and thats bad because Spurs are expected of more than that (?!?). Even though Conte himself wont amount to more than a top 4 finish during his time at Spurs, feck it, because Poch achieved it he must be bang average.
So who do you guys prefer ETH or Enrique
Also if Pochettino's a choker surely ETH is a choker for throwing away the Champions League semi final in 2019. Can't have it both ways.
I think when people say that they usually are trying to emphasize the way Ajax play football. They dominate their league, okay, that's a given. But they also domianted top teams in the CL, as well. Similar to Peps' teams, they don't give them space to breathe in. Obviously, he hasn't had a substantial success globally, but he has been a massive success for Ajax. This is how people want to see United play. No more of "go out and enjoy yourself, lads", but simply batter teams into submission and Ten Hag is that guy.
I know people like to harp about hipster managers and what not, but almost all of these "hipster" managers that went to our rivals or other big clubs have been a success. We're the only ones still relying on "PL experience". "United DNA" and washed old bums.
Anyone who is disliked by these group of players.
Again people talking champions league, they've had one good run and they are in the knockouts now, in 19/20 they got knocked out of the EL by Getafe in the round of 32, its not all been great.
I didn't say Ten Hag has had substantial success, I said anyone selling Pochettino as successful is lying.
Exactly, and these will be the same set of posters crying for blood 18 months down the track when it inevitably goes tits up, this is how the Glazers keep getting away with it, too many fans prepared to delude themselves into accepting whatever is shoveled at them.
The only laughable thing here is you trying to sell a guy who's won feck all of note as a success, he's the very definition of "Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and feck the prom queen."
If you can't see his ceiling is massively limited because he's a tactically basic manager with a flaccid, doormat personality then that's your issue, not ours, you're a joke if you think he'd take us back to the top, I'm more than confident to put my money where my mouth is, are you?
He didn't achieve anything that matters with a very good squad, that's the point, and you're constantly ignoring his personality, or lack there of, the United job eats managers alive, especially pussy's life Pochettino who keep their mouths shut, can't you see that's why they want him? A passive puppet they can control, its the same reason they waited a ridiculous amount of time to sack Ole, they crave a milktoast yes man.
Are trying to wind up with purposeful dim logic? He has managed Spurs, Espanyol and Southampton and you're angry that he didn't win the league or FA Cup? He openly deprioritised the cup in favour of cementing the CL spots (which was the right thing to do) and you're grasping at more straws than a masturbating scarecrow to point to a lack of silverware given his CV.
You call him "tactically flaccid" based on what exactly, his general overperformance at Spurs, or Esypanol or Southampton? Or are you just pinning the current PSG stint as an entire representative.
It's hilarious you chat this much shit about Poch and seemingly bone ETH when he's not tested outside of Ajax, is reportedly highly dependant on Overmars and had a long period required to settle himself- as other Ajax posters might be able to confirm he wasn't far off the sack at one point.
Jesus it really is just shiny new toy syndrome with you. And I don't need to sell Poch, he's not my first choice. I just laugh at idiotic logic that he's "tactically flaccid".
I tell you what, when you stop smoking your Pochettino flavoured crack pipe and trying to convince people he's a successful manager while pretending like I haven't said several times that it doesn't need to be Ten Hag, take off your Pochettino cape, put on your big boy pants and put your money where your dipshit brain is? I'll make it easy, £100 says if Pochettino is made manager for the 2022/2023 season we won't even make top 4, deal Stan?
I don't need to convince anyone to be honest. 9/10 Spurs fans would look back on him as a successful manager for their club for what he achieved, even if it didn't include silverware. They'd look back at peaking under Poch than Junade Ramos.
Poch is known for needing a season to settle, he needed a lot of time at Southampton, Espanyol and Spurs but even in spite of that, I'll take those odds if you want.
Ok £100 bet between you and @VP89
Indeed it is. Happy to pause our debate until then @Devil may care
Now I can put on a side bet of £50 that Poch 1) joins and 2) finishes outside top 4 with better odds
Success for Spurs and success for Manchester United are different things.
They are, but we were debating success whilst he was a Spurs manager and that needs context. We'll see what Conte achieves over Poch during his time, as a proven title winner manager himself.
David Moyes is actually being considered.
Moyes was successful at everton, because to them success was making top 4 and he did that a couple times, the played shite football to do it, but there you go, shite football and 4th place, that is a success to Everton. We can talk about him being successful at Spurs, in some ways he was, in others he wasn't, because he had good opportunities to win major silverware and didn't. So what is the success? Picking Harry Kane who was obviously a talented young player? Ok, making the top 4, ok, but once you do that once or twice you need to build from there. Spurs may look back and think fondly of him, view him as a success, but is really only down to the fact that they haven't done any better since he left. But left, or was sacked for a reason. It will be interesting to see what Conte does, because he is a winner, but he is going to need a lot of support from the board, so more likely, he'll get frustrated and bail.
@VP89 @Devil may careJobs a good'n. Now watch Brendan get the job.
Just so you guys know, I have the memory of a goldfish with dementia so you will have to remind me
Whoever the manager, he will have our support.
But we can be certain the Glazers will pull the rug from under his feet and we will here discussing the next manager in two years.
But we can be certain the Glazers will pull the rug from under his feet and we will here discussing the next manager in two years.
Maybe he will have your support but he absolutely won't have everyone's support. An embarassing number of Utd "fans" would rather be able to say "I told you so" than have the club succeed at the expense of admitting they were wrong.
This is the biggest problem with our fan base. I do also think its mainly the youtube fans. I dont care who the manager is, if we win trophies, that is all I care.
It’s hard to argue that we wouldn’t be lucky to land ETH Enrique or poch! All 3 are top managers and shouldn’t be disappointed regardless which side of the fence you sit. But there is not one person on this planet that’ll bring instant success to this club. Which I why we have to really look at the task at hand, and there is no bigger project in world football than the disaster that is man United. The project required with this club is really underestimated by many
enrique - underwhelmed with Roma and celta, achieved incredible things with Barca (albeit, inherited a squad that even ole may have won a trophy with) and I believe he is doing grand things with the Spanish team. This to me says that Enrique is a great coach but he is a luxury coach, and we are far from having a luxury squad. He would work absolute wonders with city but I don’t see him doing it here
poch - knows how to work on a budget, and how to get the best out of what he’s got. Simply, overachieved at Southampton and overachieved at spurs. I find it hard to judge anyone at psg as I feel the whole charade would be like working in the dark side of the back rooms at the streets of Soho, just impossible to please everyone involved. Unfortunately I find his style of football tilting towards the boring side of the seesaw. I’m not completely against poch getting the job but There’s definitely something unwanting about a rivals sacked manager without a trophy in his tenure taking The reigns
ETH - plays an exciting style of football, knows how to rebuild a squad and knows how to introduce and develop youth. Also has an eye for talent.
although he is classed as ‘unproven’ considering he has not achieved anything in any of the top 5 leagues, it’s impossible not to raise your brows at his attempts in the CL, most certainly turning heads around Europe as the most exciting up and coming coach. What he achieved at Utrecht… inspiring, what he’s achieved and continuing to do so at Ajax… inspiring. He is without doubt a project man that comes across as a man that wants a project that is challenging. He also seems to be RRs favourite picking which was what he was brought in to do.
with RRs specialty in building clubs andETH specialty at building squads, I honestly can’t see anyone better suited for the situation we are currently in
enrique - underwhelmed with Roma and celta, achieved incredible things with Barca (albeit, inherited a squad that even ole may have won a trophy with) and I believe he is doing grand things with the Spanish team. This to me says that Enrique is a great coach but he is a luxury coach, and we are far from having a luxury squad. He would work absolute wonders with city but I don’t see him doing it here
poch - knows how to work on a budget, and how to get the best out of what he’s got. Simply, overachieved at Southampton and overachieved at spurs. I find it hard to judge anyone at psg as I feel the whole charade would be like working in the dark side of the back rooms at the streets of Soho, just impossible to please everyone involved. Unfortunately I find his style of football tilting towards the boring side of the seesaw. I’m not completely against poch getting the job but There’s definitely something unwanting about a rivals sacked manager without a trophy in his tenure taking The reigns
ETH - plays an exciting style of football, knows how to rebuild a squad and knows how to introduce and develop youth. Also has an eye for talent.
although he is classed as ‘unproven’ considering he has not achieved anything in any of the top 5 leagues, it’s impossible not to raise your brows at his attempts in the CL, most certainly turning heads around Europe as the most exciting up and coming coach. What he achieved at Utrecht… inspiring, what he’s achieved and continuing to do so at Ajax… inspiring. He is without doubt a project man that comes across as a man that wants a project that is challenging. He also seems to be RRs favourite picking which was what he was brought in to do.
with RRs specialty in building clubs andETH specialty at building squads, I honestly can’t see anyone better suited for the situation we are currently in
It'll be the players not the Glazers pulling the rug.
These are not United supporters.
You only have to look at the last two windows as proof that the Glazers sabotaged the team.
Players who go over the manager to others in the organization should not be listened to.
But as we have seen the club tolerates this. Why we have issues cropping up.
How exactly did the Glazers sabotage the team by sanctioning the signing of Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo?
I don't understand this argument. We spent more than anyone bar City and we are still gash. Spend =/ success Money spent on the right players does though.
Also he had at his disposal one of the best defense in the league, the best CF in the world, Son, Lloris, Tripier, Rose, etc and still not winning anything of note. Sometimes I don't understand the fanbase of this club as we watched Sir Alex dominate the PL while mocked Wenger for doing pretty much what Poch does. Now a couple of years into the wilderness and suddenly Poch is good enough for us.
See the reply above.
Also Mourinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel, Pep, Klopp, Wenger and even our own Sir Alex never had any PL experience to begin with. If you're good enough, you are good enough.
I don't think anyone rewrites history here. Most people myself included don't want Poch because there is a difference between meeting expectations with Spurs and United. So far he hasn't shown a single thing that would give us an indication that he is the man for the job.
The excuses being brought up that he did things "on a shoestring budget" take me back to Moyes in 2013. The "he needs to win a trophy to break his duck" also take me back to Moyes in 2013. That and Spurs had a Top3 squad and never finished below 5th in their previous 2 seasons.
My main gripe with Poch is his mentality. You need to be a ruthless winner to make it United, and so far he hasn't shown that, contrast that to ETH who constantly spouts "that enjoying the football are useless if you don't win trophies" and you'll understand my reservations.
But it's more than that. ETH imposes his footballing style on his opponents. He's not a reactive manager, he's a proactive manager. And that is something I want to see here at United. I'm tired of watching reactive football every time we are in Europe. It's like we are club Brugge or something. To me this dictates on a subconcious level that we are smaller than you. I always hated that, even our 1-0 against Barca at OT always left a sour taste in my mouth. If we are the biggest club in the world, we need to behave as such.
We haven't seen United have a go at a top side in Europe since the early 2000's. ETH went literally went toe to toe while with the likes of Bayern Munich, Juventus, Real, Liverpool while fielding a team of academy kids and PL rejects. Can Poch do that? If yes, I'm behind him. If no then I don't want him here.
He will have a support of the attending fans as every manager before him. If you think that is less important then what random people on Internet say then that is just mind-boggling and just something to add to this all going war that's happening here. There is not a single fanbase who stood more by their managers then our lot even when all the evidence were pointing straight at their faces that we have the wrong guy at the helm. Is that a good thing is maybe worth another discussion, but that's a different subject.
And another problem with your line of thinking is that "I told you so" crew have been in the right in the past few years or a decade to be precise. We hired 4 managers who were absolute failures in their time here. Also, well past their expiring date once our board decided to get rid of them.
How dare you sign GOAT ?
He wasn't needed but according to the Times, Solskjaer ignored the advice of his coaching staff and still went ahead and signed him. The owners and board's fault here is that they backed the manager.
Backing the manager blindly is what's got us into this mess.
They also went to the quartes in the EL. All in all, his run in European competitions has been very impressive. Let's not forget that Ten Hag basically has to rebuild his squad every season because his top players are getting poached left and right. This season it has already been impressive - perfect group points, record for Ajax. Even if they get knocked out here, it's still an impressive run given Ajax stature (i'm talking purely financial one, of course). As far as Getafe, let's not forget that we ourselves have had our fair share of embarrassing defeats under the GOAT manager. It's cup competitions - a single match can cost you.
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