Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions

Pat_Mustard · Mar 30, 2016

Šjor Bepo said:
While we at tactical surprises and all that, think we should draft more then 12 players(14 or 15 would be ideal). In that case you will make your opponent in the dark as you will have free hands in tactical department. With only one sub there isnt much you can do and there is zero surprises in the first round + the drafting would be even more fun as you pick more players
For reinforcements rounds we can make the rule that you need remove one player before you pick the next one so we dont to much players in our squad.

I like the sound of that, although I'd be concerned that the speed would slow down to a crawl towards the end. It already gets painfully slow by the time the 12th picks roll around.

Šjor Bepo · Mar 30, 2016

Pat_Mustard said:
I like the sound of that, although I'd be concerned that the speed would slow down to a crawl towards the end. It already gets painfully slow by the time the 12th picks roll around.

think it would just switch from 12 to 14/15 as im guessing its because of the last pick, specially in this current system where that 12h man is most often unused as you cant really change much with only one player.

Moby · Mar 30, 2016

Šjor Bepo said:
think it would just switch from 12 to 14/15 as im guessing its because of the last pick, specially in this current system where that 12h man is most often unused as you cant really change much with only one player.

I think we should leave that for future drafts with more familiar pools. In this one you'd have 224 players banned and a further 176 picked when you start Round 13, so it wouldn't be of much interest to most.

Chesterlestreet · Mar 30, 2016

Aldo said:
You playing, @Chesterlestreet ? This should be right up your alley, given the allowed player pool for this.

Sure, why not. If you're a man short, that is.

Gio · Mar 30, 2016

Pat_Mustard said:
I like the sound of that, although I'd be concerned that the speed would slow down to a crawl towards the end. It already gets painfully slow by the time the 12th picks roll around.

Yeah. Most folk lose interest in the picking as their teams are already done.

Moby · Mar 30, 2016

Chesterlestreet said:
Sure, why not. If you're a man short, that is.

Excellent, I'll add you in!

Chesterlestreet · Mar 30, 2016

Šjor Bepo said:
While we at tactical surprises and all that, think we should draft more then 12 players(14 or 15 would be ideal). In that case you will make your opponent in the dark as you will have free hands in tactical department. With only one sub there isnt much you can do and there is zero surprises in the first round + the drafting would be even more fun as you pick more players
For reinforcements rounds we can make the rule that you need remove one player before you pick the next one so we dont to much players in our squad.

I think that's an interesting idea, but you'd probably have to organize the drafting a bit differently. If it's just straight snake with no twists or limitations, it could easily turn into the 12th man borefest times three.

Moby · Mar 30, 2016

All Time Reserves Draft Signups:

1. Aldo Staine
2. Tuppet
3. Sjor Bepo & Invictus
4. Downcast
5. RedTiger
6. Stobzilla & KM
7. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard
8. Edgar Allan Pillow
9. Isotope
10. Enigma_87
11. BBRBB
12. mazhar13
13. harms
14. MJJ
15. Chesterlestreet
16. Physiocrat

Interested AMs:
1. anant
2. Marty1968

Tentative Start Date: Next week, Tuesday April the 5th.

Rough Outline of the rules:

1. All players in the Banned List are not available for the entire duration of the draft.
2. Players born later than 31 December 1989 are not available for the entire duration of the draft.
3. Every manager must submit an additional block that will be added to the Banned List at the start of the draft.

Rest is same as regular: Snake Draft, 8 hours deadline, etc.
First Reinforcement round will be opposite of the main draft order.
All Reinforcements there on out would be in sheep format.

The Banned List:

The Outcasts

Chesterlestreet · Mar 30, 2016

Aldo said:
Excellent, I'll add you in!

Very good, should be a fun draft.

Gio · Mar 30, 2016

Chesterlestreet said:
I think that's an interesting idea, but you'd probably have to organize the drafting a bit differently. If it's just straight snake with no twists or limitations, it could easily turn into the 12th man borefest times three.

Maybe after turn 11 it could turn into a sheep-style submission. Any duplicates could be ruled out or returned to the pool in some fashion.

BBRBB · Mar 30, 2016

Chesterlestreet said:
I think that's an interesting idea, but you'd probably have to organize the drafting a bit differently. If it's just straight snake with no twists or limitations, it could easily turn into the 12th man borefest times three.

11 picks, then draw, then 3 more picks could spice things up.

Physiocrat · Mar 30, 2016

Gio said:
Maybe after turn 11 it could turn into a sheep-style submission. Any duplicates could be ruled out or returned to the pool in some fashion.

I like that although those at the bottom of the snake would think they were shafted since no. 16 would pick number 11 last. So I think 12 snake style and 3 lambish style (we don't need even more blocked players)

Gio · Mar 30, 2016

Physiocrat said:
I like that although those at the bottom of the snake would think they were shafted since no. 16 would pick number 11 last. So I think 12 snake style and 3 lambish style (we don't need even more blocked players)

Nonsense. Let's block from the off. First round onwards and end up with Emile Heskey and Carlton Palmer leading our teams.

Chesterlestreet · Mar 31, 2016

Some sort of sheep variation at the end could certainly work. It would prevent the borefest possibility, at least.

However, I'm skeptical about the true value of these extra players – if they're all added after a freely drafted XI. To me, at least, the point of introducing a couple of extra subs would be an increased chance of subs playing an actual part in the thing. If it just ends up as three players making no difference rather than one, there's not much point to it.

It's a tricky one, clearly, but one possible thing to experiment with is forced subs, if you will. You need to draft 14 or 15 players – and you need to make two or three substitutions during the match.

As Aldo says above, though, this kind of thing is probably best saved for a draft with a different pool.

Šjor Bepo · Mar 31, 2016

@Aldo @Chesterlestreet it was not a suggestion for the next draft, more just in general what i think that would be nice to implement in the draft

Isotope · Mar 31, 2016

Maybe we could also introduce players exchange between managers at the end. It could start 'underhand' deals between managers at different picking orders, though, but who cares.

mazhar13 · Mar 31, 2016

The thing with extra picks is that they would only really matter if the pool is large enough to have a good number of quality players. The one sub is normally a good player who can provide a different approach to the match, but if we have too many of these subs, we could end up with players who may not even get involved in the matches just because they aren't good enough, particularly for scan voters.

Maybe if we have a huge pool like some slightly-restricted all-time draft, then extra subs can likely work. In other cases, special policies may need to be set to make sure that the extra subs aren't for nothing in the first round.

Ecstatic · Mar 31, 2016

In the future, we could imagine a random draw that defines an injured midfielder per team so that you need your bench to make a starting 11

mazhar13 · Mar 31, 2016

Downcast said:
In the future, we could imagine a random draw that defines an injured midfielder per team so that you need your bench to make a starting 11

That reminds of EAP's Reality Draft which had something like this for Round 1. Maybe we could have another Reality Draft in the future, possibly as a sheep draft to make things more interesting.

Moby · Mar 31, 2016

mazhar13 said:
Maybe we could have another Reality Draft in the future, possibly as a sheep draft to make things more interesting.

You've given me a terrible idea.

One day, perhaps..

Ecstatic · Mar 31, 2016

Still one remaining place for a dedicated manager !

Do we have to wait for the end of the final to start the process (1 Blocked player per manager if my understanding is good) ?

Moby · Mar 31, 2016

Downcast said:
Still one remaining place for a dedicated manager !

Do we have to wait for the end of the final to start the process (1 Blocked player per manager if my understanding is good) ?

Yes, nothing starts till the ongoing draft is properly done.
Their game is scheduled next week, which was when this was gonna start at the earliest anyway. I'm travelling during the weekend, will be back Monday afternoon and after that whenever the final of that draft is done, we will start this one.

Ecstatic · Mar 31, 2016

@Aldo Ok

mazhar13 · Apr 1, 2016

If anyone's interested in being an AM, I'm looking for one, so hit me up if you want a manager to assist.

Moby · Apr 1, 2016

mazhar13 said:
If anyone's interested in being an AM, I'm looking for one, so hit me up if you want a manager to assist.

Aldo said:
Interested AMs:
1. anant
2. Marty1968

We have a couple of fine gentlemen up for it.

mazhar13 · Apr 1, 2016

@Marty1968 If you're still up for it, I'd like it if you can be my AM for the next draft.

Physiocrat · Apr 3, 2016

@Aldo If there's space. I'm in.

Ecstatic · Apr 3, 2016

Physiocrat said:
@Aldo If there's space. I'm in.

Good

Šjor Bepo · Apr 3, 2016

Physiocrat said:
@Aldo If there's space. I'm in.

nice

Moby · Apr 3, 2016

Cool. We'll start after the final of the current one.

Joga Bonito · Apr 3, 2016

Great draft premise @Aldo , should unearth plenty of under appreciated gems, with very few greats, and that too in an all time context which really widens the playing field. Really looking forward to spectating this one.

mazhar13 · Apr 3, 2016

@Aldo

Put @Marty1968 as my AM for this draft.

Šjor Bepo · Apr 4, 2016

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Edgar Allan Pillow · Apr 4, 2016

I've a couple of heavy weeks at work

green_smiley · Apr 5, 2016

Teams will be quite shite, won't they? :lol:

Maybe the one that rides on cat will get a sniff

Moby · Apr 5, 2016

When is the other draft getting over? I can fire up the thread anytime now.

Moby · Apr 5, 2016

green_smiley said:
Teams will be quite shite, won't they?

Nah plenty of quality still kicking around.

green_smiley · Apr 5, 2016

Aldo said:
Nah plenty of quality still kicking around.

After another 16 more players to block, probably not, but it will be interesting to say the least

Physiocrat · Apr 5, 2016

After some early research the player pool looks actually quite good. That said I don't have 100+ names so we could be picking the dregs by then.

Moby · Apr 5, 2016

The thread is going up now. We have some pre draft formalities that can be finalised till the final of the other one is finished.

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