Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions

@Tuppet has managed to sow discord in the community with his duplicitous antics, but I don't think there's a whole lot of manipulation going on when you exclude his accounts — I mean, yeah, every one feels aggrieved with certain voters from time to time, but that's just in the heat of the moment rage clouding your objective judgement and sense of reason. There's no real overarching voting trend from what I've observed while reviewing Tuppet's votes, things tend to even out for the most part.

As for @The Cat's original post...
The Cat said:
It's fine but it's happened every draft I've done including the newbie one in my eyes anyway.
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That's because you were playing with and against Tuppet, mate! He cast 3 votes for himself and 1 vote for you.

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The Cat said:
I'm out. Since I started it's been full of tactical voting where quite a few managers are voting to knock the strongest sides out.

Happened many times I'm not just on about my own games.

Been the point of view of others I have spoken to as well.

Seems pointless.
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Agree this sort of stuff goes on all the time. There’s also instances in which grudges get formed and managers will repeatedly vote against certain the same people, or the opposite and they’ll vote for people they get on with. You only have to play a few of these to see similar voting patterns being formed.
 
Theon said:
Agree this sort of stuff goes on all the time. There’s also instances in which grudges get formed and managers will repeatedly vote against certain the same people, or the opposite and they’ll vote for people they get on with. You only have to play a few of these to see similar voting patterns being formed.
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I think that this has a lot to do with personal preferences and general views on football — for example I'm very likely to vote for Joga not because I like him, but because we mostly rate the same players and are looking at the same qualities when building a squad. While with some others I disagree on the basics and statistically I'm more likely to vote against them — but it's not a foolproof system, and in a single match up those general tendencies mean jack shit.

I can only speak for myself, of course, but I doubt that many vote because they like or dislike the manager, it's more about the way you and he see football.
 
harms said:
I think that this has a lot to do with personal preferences and general views on football — for example I'm very likely to vote for Joga not because I like him, but because we mostly rate the same players and are looking at the same qualities when building a squad. While with some others I disagree on the basics and statistically I'm more likely to vote against them — but it's not a foolproof system, and in a single match up those general tendencies mean jack shit.

I can only speak for myself, of course, but I doubt that many vote because they like or dislike the manager, it's more about the way you and him see football.
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I think that is probably true. I reckon if you checked my voting pattern it might look like I had a vendetta against some posters. For example, I imagine from a view years ago I voted quite often against Theon as to my way of thinking he often had one two many playmakers (I think I have become more flexible with my view on that and also the necessity for a classic sweeper stopper combo at CB which Theon used to eschew).

Btw I like Theon as a poster as he's polite and informative
 
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That's ok now he's been outed. It's not very encouraging for a newcomer although I totally get it's not your fault guys.

It's far better now you caught him, he's put newcomers off unfortunately. I also didn't understand some of the voting rules so that's on me too.

Onwards and upwards?
 
The Cat said:
That's ok now he's been outed. It's not very encouraging for a newcomer although I totally get it's not your fault guys.

It's far better now you caught him, he's put newcomers off unfortunately. I also didn't understand some of the voting rules so that's on me too.

Onwards and upwards?
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From the perspective of a relative newbie, I think TooSweet was quite dominant in the newbie drafts for most part, but it did make you want to do better next time. Of course, if he manipulated votes to win, that takes away from the experience.
 
Himannv said:
From the perspective of a relative newbie, I think TooSweet was quite dominant in the newbie drafts for most part, but it did make you want to do better next time. Of course, if he manipulated votes to win, that takes away from the experience.
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Strange thing is, he could've won those drafts even without the manipulation — he was a great and very experienced drafter on his own. I think at some point the thrill of this operation, of successfully and consistently conning the system and multiple drafters, outweighed the thrill of simply winning.
 
harms said:
Strange thing is, he could've won those drafts even without the manipulation — he was a great and very experienced drafter on his own. I think at some point the thrill of this operation, of successfully and consistently conning the system and multiple drafters, outweighed the thrill of simply winning.
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Nah think he wouldn't. Without those votes he would've been eliminated in those drafts from what I saw.

Think he only engaged the dummies when the game was tight or was losing, which is clever on its own.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Nah think he wouldn't. Without those votes he would've been eliminated in those drafts from what I saw.

Think he only engaged the dummies when the game was tight or was losing, which is clever on its own.
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Perhaps. I just remember a draft when he grabbed Figueroa, Beckenbauer, Pele, Muller and Falcao even before the reinforcements.
 
harms said:
Perhaps. I just remember a draft when he grabbed Figueroa, Beckenbauer, Pele, Muller and Falcao even before the reinforcements.
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Yeah, not sure which one, but from what was revealed I remember that he was rigging the draws and even having assistants in other teams when there was lamb or sheep style reinforcements. :lol:
 
harms said:
Strange thing is, he could've won those drafts even without the manipulation — he was a great and very experienced drafter on his own. I think at some point the thrill of this operation, of successfully and consistently conning the system and multiple drafters, outweighed the thrill of simply winning.
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Not here for a long time, but from what I've seen he was more than capable of winning some without the help. He definitely took a lot of joy just from the whole manipulation on its own though. I mean having 4 teams in the draft of 8 and then leading one of them against the other in which you are a co-manager is another level of weird. And hilarious.
 
Jim Beam said:
Not here for a long time, but from what I've seen he was more than capable of winning some without the help. He definitely took a lot of joy just from the whole manipulation on its own though. I mean having 4 teams in the draft of 8 and then leading one of them against the other in which you are a co-manager is another level of weird. And hilarious.
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It’s just plain weird.
 
harms said:
Strange thing is, he could've won those drafts even without the manipulation — he was a great and very experienced drafter on his own. I think at some point the thrill of this operation, of successfully and consistently conning the system and multiple drafters, outweighed the thrill of simply winning.
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Yeah, I think he was a fantastic drafter in his own right and really didn't need to manipulate the system much. I think that one where he got Pele, Beckenbauer, and Muller was probably won fairly although he had some competition from @2mufc0 IIRC.
 
Himannv said:
Yeah, I think he was a fantastic drafter in his own right and really didn't need to manipulate the system much. I think that one where he got Pele, Beckenbauer, and Muller was probably won fairly although he had some competition from @2mufc0 IIRC.
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If this is the newbie chain draft, he was up against quite a few first time drafters. Plus, he started in a different era of footballers so had no competition for his picks.
 
harms said:
I think that this has a lot to do with personal preferences and general views on football — for example I'm very likely to vote for Joga not because I like him, but because we mostly rate the same players and are looking at the same qualities when building a squad. While with some others I disagree on the basics and statistically I'm more likely to vote against them — but it's not a foolproof system, and in a single match up those general tendencies mean jack shit.

I can only speak for myself, of course, but I doubt that many vote because they like or dislike the manager, it's more about the way you and he see football.
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Usually you find patterns that are related of managers facing each other multiple times but it's normal in the grand scheme of things. It's hard to stay objective and some have personal preference over some managers I guess, but it's part of the game.
 
Indnyc said:
It’s very difficult to pick unknown players for all time drafts.. Maybe we should do a decades draft of some sort and it would help highlight these players
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I would suggest to do a reserve draft, but maybe with a 2 part block list? One block list with the usual GOATs, another more extensive block list with other great players like Tigana, Stoichkov etc and every manager is restricted to picking a maximum of 2 players from the second list.
 
been a long time since we last did criteria draft or something like that, those ones are the best
 
I think an interesting potential method of doing a criteria draft would be to have each of the 16 participants decide on a criteria which is announced to all participants before the draft starts. When you pick someone you have to state what category you are picking them from and each participant must use a category that they have not yet used themselves for every pick that they make (including reinforcements).
 
Šjor Bepo said:
every round different criteria
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Real Time Strategy (RTS) Draft

Playing opponents will be announced at beginning of round.

All manager will have set of powers

Offensive:

O1 - Force opponent to pick Chain or No Mate.
O2 - Block a certain player.
O3 - Restrict your opponent to current player in EPL.
O4- Force your opponent to pick from any team that finished outside Top 4 in their respective leagues.
O5 - Force opponent to pick a non league winner (any and all leagues they have played in)

Defensive

D1 - Get out of a restriction imposed by dropping any player.
D2 - Swap a restriction for a mod nominated legacy player. If no restriction remain unused this cannot be used.
D3 - Bounce back the restriction for loss of a turn.

All powers must be played before start of turn except D5.

All powers are one use only for all draft. Consider future rounds and use wisely.
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This is what Edgar proposed.. I wouldn’t mind a sheep draft as well
 
Don Alfredo said:
I would suggest to do a reserve draft, but maybe with a 2 part block list? One block list with the usual GOATs, another more extensive block list with other great players like Tigana, Stoichkov etc and every manager is restricted to picking a maximum of 2 players from the second list.
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Maybe after the next one? Like Sjor I would also like a criteria draft
 
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