Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions

Physiocrat said:
The voting numbers for the current final aren't that bad tbf.
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Problem is its just the draft regulars, I liked the mix of scan voters and draft regulars we had before. Made the voting more unpredictable and in some cases led to new players.

Invictus said:
Nein, the current system is just fine considering it's a niche hobby and there's no need to revisit decisions that were made after a lot of behind-the-scenes deliberation (spanning months if not years). Matchday threads are incredibly unpopular among your run-of-the-mill Caf poster — who outnumber draft members severalfold and are fairly vocal to boot, and this sub-forum was a sweet compromise considering “nuke drafts out of orbit” was also a realistic option in the face of profound resentment.
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harms said:
Don't think that it's an option.
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Ah okay, fair enough. I am still not sure why it annoys them so much considering some of the quality posts and threads in the football forum.
 
MJJ said:
Problem is its just the draft regulars, I liked the mix of scan voters and draft regulars we had before. Made the voting more unpredictable and in some cases led to new players.
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Ah ok, I didn't look at the composition. And yes some different voters makes it more interesting.

MJJ said:
Ah okay, fair enough. I am still not sure why it annoys them so much considering some of the quality posts and threads in the football forum.
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And yes. How many Mourinho and Pogba threads do we need or the every couple of weeks what is the best formation etc etc
 
MJJ said:
Problem is its just the draft regulars, I liked the mix of scan voters and draft regulars we had before.
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Most of the recent scan voters were literally just tuppet

There is a great batch of new legit newbies though so I think that is a good way to keep growing. A lot of people have appreciation for historic players, they will keep trickling in I think
 
MJJ said:
Ah okay, fair enough. I am still not sure why it annoys them so much considering some of the quality posts and threads in the football forum.
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Same reason people are annoyed by pineapple on pizza or make fun of geeky kids — it's seeded in irrationality and a self-styled sense of superiority or righteous judgement. Anyhow, there's no point discussing that aspect because you can't reshape folks' opinions or personalities on a fundamental level and there's no practical way to reconcile the issues — it is what it is. Let's move on and try to consolidate this sub-forum — it has a lot of potential, especially if you attract newbie draft posters. Rest assured that everything that could be done as regards lobbying and PR work was done. If you try to negotiate too hard now and try to edge it back into the public domain, you risk an immediate blowback, or worst case scenario, raids à la Moby vs. BBRBB in Reserve Draft (which pushed poor BBRRB to the edge and made him quit drafts altogether). Best to let sleeping dogs lie, when life gives you lemons make lemonade, and so forth.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Most of the recent scan voters were literally just tuppet

There is a great batch of new legit newbies though so I think that is a good way to keep growing. A lot of people have appreciation for historic players, they will keep trickling in I think
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Invictus said:
Same reason people are annoyed by pineapple on pizza or make fun of geeky kids — it's seeded in irrationality and a self-styled sense of superiority or righteous judgement. Anyhow, there's no point discussing that aspect because you can't reshape folks' opinions or personalities on a fundamental level and there's no practical way to reconcile the issues — it is what it is. Let's move on and try to consolidate this sub-forum — it has a lot of potential, especially if you attract newbie draft posters. Rest assured that everything that could be done as regards lobbying and PR work was done. If you try to negotiate too hard now and try to edge it back into the public domain, you risk an immediate blowback, or worst case scenario, raids à la Moby vs. BBRBB in Reserve Draft (which pushed poor BBRRB to the edge and made him quit drafts altogether). Best to let sleeping dogs lie, when life gives you lemons make lemonade, and so forth.
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Yeah the sub-forum is great, the newbies should be treated as the academy and we grow the community from there.
 
Think the problem is the draft overload. Way too many threads active across weeks during the games, especially earlier rounds.

I would still suggest to have at least the final in the main football forum. Its 1 thread in a month for 24 hours. The finalists and the draft as such deserves a highly contested final.
 
idmanager said:
I would still suggest to have at least the final in the main football forum. Its 1 thread in a month for 24 hours. The finalists and the draft as such deserves a highly contested final.
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Again, it's not an option.
 
I actually prefer it here, better have 10 proper votes then 30 "scam" votes IMO
 
Šjor Bepo said:
I actually prefer it here, better have 10 proper votes then 30 "scam" votes IMO
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How often did the scam votes happened though? It was something that was very rare, its the difference between 30-40 proper votes and maybe one scam vote in every once in a while or 20 drafts votes.
 
MJJ said:
How often did the scam votes happened though? It was something that was very rare, its the difference between 30-40 proper votes and maybe one scam vote in every once in a while or 20 drafts votes.
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Most just vote because they like the players at first glance or they like a specific player and they vote for him(thats what i call "scam votes"), the ones that are actually interested in discussion and that will at least read the tactics OP will most likely follow us here.
 
Honestly the difference isn’t that significant.. There has been a drop but not too much. Below are the numbers for the last two draft finals. These have been after the switch

Roulette- 27 Votes
P and G - 28 Votes

Below are the numbers for the last two drafts prior to the switch

Impossible Draft - 32 Votes
World Cup All Stars - 33 Votes
 
Agreed, @Indnyc. Also, the comparative stats, once you exclude Tuppet's votes considering he wasn't alive for this final, are even closer! :)

e.g. WC All Stars Chain with 29 Votes (exclude Tuppet, Charly, TooSweet, vish34) vs. Roulette with 27 Votes.

When you include on-and-off voters like Balu, Fergus' Son, ctp, Sincher, VivaJanuzaj and so on, having a consistent average of 30+ votes isn't exactly unrealistic, even in this sub-forum.
 
Invictus said:
Agreed, @Indnyc. Also, the comparative stats, once you exclude Tuppet's votes considering he wasn't alive for this final, are even closer! :)

e.g. WC All Stars Chain with 29 Votes (exclude Tuppet, Charly, TooSweet, vish34) vs. Roulette with 27 Votes.

When you include on-and-off voters like Balu, Fergus' Son, ctp, Sincher, VivaJanuzaj and so on, having a consistent average of 30+ votes isn't exactly unrealistic, even in this sub-forum.
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Yeah.. I am certain that eventually we’ll have this sub forum grow quite a bit.. Newbies will come
 
Maybe could open up the sub-forum a bit as an additional place for historical football discussion as well as the drafts? That might draw in more posters that are likely to eventually contribute? It was the discussions of historical players that got me interested in following the draft threads and while i don't think i debate well enough in English to contribute much as a player myself, there must be a fair few others that get interested the same way that would.

Though i'm guessing the runners of the forum don't want to split discussion like that away from the main general football forum?
 
Let's just use this forum for the time being and raise any requests some other time?

Invictus has hinted a couple of times that the management wasnt very open to keeping drafts here in the first place, so having this forum is better than having to feck off. Let's not tickle them again for a while.

Dunno what the fuss is, we have plenty of posters who will regularly visit this. I'm completely comfortable having this little safe haven away from the rest of the shitstorm. Actually feel a lot better here than before and this will grow beautifully into one of the highest quality content areas on the site.
 
Demyanenko_square_jaw said:
Maybe could open up the sub-forum a bit as an additional place for historical football discussion as well as the drafts? That might draw in more posters that are likely to eventually contribute? It was the discussions of historical players that got me interested in following the draft threads and while i don't think i debate well enough in English to contribute much as a player myself, there must be a fair few others that get interested the same way that would.

Though i'm guessing the runners of the forum don't want to split discussion like that away from the main general football forum?
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Your English is easily good enough to give it a go at drafting and playing matches.:D
 
Moby said:
Let's just use this forum for the time being and raise any requests some other time?

Invictus has hinted a couple of times that the management wasnt very open to keeping drafts here in the first place, so having this forum is better than having to feck off. Let's not tickle them again for a while.

Dunno what the fuss is, we have plenty of posters who will regularly visit this. I'm completely comfortable having this little safe haven away from the rest of the shitstorm. Actually feel a lot better here than before and this will grow beautifully into one of the highest quality content areas on the site.
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Actually yes, this could be the most sane part of the Caf as we don't have perpetual Pogba and Maureen threads.
 
Physiocrat said:
Actually yes, this could be the most sane part of the Caf as we don't have perpetual Pogba and Maureen threads.
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Wait till somebody drafts Pogba in the modern one and the game is tight.

Moby said:
Let's just use this forum for the time being and raise any requests some other time?

Invictus has hinted a couple of times that the management wasnt very open to keeping drafts here in the first place, so having this forum is better than having to feck off. Let's not tickle them again for a while.

Dunno what the fuss is, we have plenty of posters who will regularly visit this. I'm completely comfortable having this little safe haven away from the rest of the shitstorm. Actually feel a lot better here than before and this will grow beautifully into one of the highest quality content areas on the site.
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Yeah I actually agree with this based on what Invictus has posted, best to see how this works out in the long-term and then make special requests if needed.
 
Demyanenko_square_jaw said:
Maybe could open up the sub-forum a bit as an additional place for historical football discussion as well as the drafts? That might draw in more posters that are likely to eventually contribute? It was the discussions of historical players that got me interested in following the draft threads and while i don't think i debate well enough in English to contribute much as a player myself, there must be a fair few others that get interested the same way that would.

Though i'm guessing the runners of the forum don't want to split discussion like that away from the main general football forum?
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You can start a thread on a historical player ..
 
Demyanenko_square_jaw said:
Maybe could open up the sub-forum a bit as an additional place for historical football discussion as well as the drafts? That might draw in more posters that are likely to eventually contribute? It was the discussions of historical players that got me interested in following the draft threads and while i don't think i debate well enough in English to contribute much as a player myself, there must be a fair few others that get interested the same way that would.

Though i'm guessing the runners of the forum don't want to split discussion like that away from the main general football forum?
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On your last point I don’t think that is a real consideration given the lack of appreciation in some quarters of the quality of the football analysis and discussion in these threads.

As I said before my main concern is the place becoming a hipster echo chamber and it needs to be visible to fresh faces. Rather than hiding them, placing active threads on the front page would be a simple start.
 
16 midfielders who are usually difficult to form a balanced team with the right attacking and defensive fit.

Xavi
Bozsik
Didi
Luis Suarez Miramontes
Gerson
Paul Scholes
Andrea Pirlo
Overath
Netzer
Veron
J.L.Andrade
Schuster
Ocwirk
Guardiola
Giresse
Busquets

In the first round of chain, you pick one of them. All their respective mates are blocked for you so that you dont pick an easy way out while building thea rest of the squad. For example, Xaviesta would make it very easy.

The player picked should feature in all games till the final.

From the 2nd round of chain, pick the usual way in an all time pool with a lightweight blocklist.

In the reinforcements, if you want, you can replace your round 1 player with any of the other losing team's round 1 player.

Made the list randomly without thinking too much with the first players who came to mind. Can be edited if I have missed someone obvious and better. Likes of Guardiola/Busquets/Veron can be replaced with better names maybe.
 
idmanager said:
16 midfielders who are usually difficult to form a balanced team with the right attacking and defensive fit.

Xavi
Bozsik
Didi
Luis Suarez Miramontes
Gerson
Paul Scholes
Andrea Pirlo
Overath
Netzer
Veron
J.L.Andrade
Schuster
Ocwirk
Guardiola
Giresse
Busquets

In the first round of chain, you pick one of them. All their respective mates are blocked for you so that you dont pick an easy way out while building thea rest of the squad. For example, Xaviesta would make it very easy.

The player picked should feature in all games till the final.

From the 2nd round of chain, pick the usual way in an all time pool with a lightweight blocklist.

In the reinforcements, if you want, you can replace your round 1 player with any of the other losing team's round 1 player.

Made the list randomly without thinking too much with the first players who came to mind. Can be edited if I have missed someone obvious and better. Likes of Guardiola/Busquets/Veron can be replaced with better names maybe.
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I tried fitting Bozsik and Didi together :lol:

Edit: Great idea though.. Will be good to pick “underrated players”
 
idmanager said:
16 midfielders who are usually difficult to form a balanced team with the right attacking and defensive fit
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What an awful challenge to build a side around Suarez — world class in 2 positions, great workrate and exceptional passing and goalscoring ability :)
I think it'll be impossible to make a balanced list of 16 players.
 
harms said:
What an awful challenge to build a side around Suarez — world class in 2 positions, great workrate and exceptional passing and goalscoring ability :)
I think it'll be impossible to make a balanced list of 16 players.
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It shouldnt be balanced. The 16th manager should get the least good player and the first chance to pick the best player from the rest of the pool in round 2.

Regarding Suarez, I know you won a final with him but still there was a hell lot of discussion around him and of course, the Pele suited build worked for you. Not the easiest guy to build a team around IMO.
 
idmanager said:
Regarding Suarez, I know you won a final with him but still there was a hell lot of discussion around him and of course, the Pele suited build worked for you. Not the easiest guy to build a team around IMO.
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Say, Pirlo or Gerson provide a challenge. Suarez doesn't, he doesn't have significant weaknesses and his versatility actually gives you additional options. He has won his fair share of the drafts, the Euros one comes to mind. That's my take at least.
 
harms said:
Say, Pirlo or Gerson provide a challenge. Suarez doesn't, he doesn't have significant weaknesses and his versatility actually gives you additional options. He has won his fair share of the drafts, the Euros one comes to mind. That's my take at least.
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Fair enough, as I said, not a list I gave too much thought to and built in less than 10 mins. So can be edited if enough people like the idea.
 
Real Time Strategy (RTS) Draft

Playing opponents will be announced at beginning of round.

All manager will have set of powers

Offensive:

O1 - Force opponent to pick Chain or No Mate.
O2 - Block a certain player.
O3 - Restrict your opponent to current player in EPL.
O4- Force your opponent to pick from any team that finished outside Top 4 in their respective leagues.
O5 - Force opponent to pick a non league winner (any and all leagues they have played in)

Defensive

D1 - Get out of a restriction imposed by dropping any player.
D2 - Swap a restriction for a mod nominated legacy player. If no restriction remain unused this cannot be used.
D3 - Bounce back the restriction for loss of a turn.

All powers must be played before start of turn except D5.

All powers are one use only for all draft. Consider future rounds and use wisely.
 
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