I really hope we sign Rose or Mendy. We need somebody who can bomb forward like in the Evra days. Darmian is way too defencive in the position.
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Find it weird that we only got linked with Mendy. Tells me we are not in for an LB
We've been linked with Mendy, Rose and Tierney. But unless we sell one I don't see us buying one.
Dont think we will buy one, except for Mendy, Rose isnt gettable and Tierney is too young. We wont buy an LB if he cant improve us quite a bit
I can not believe a player with Shaw's ability can't make it in Manchester United. The match he played when he got injured he was all over the place. What the feck happened??? Today he's barely moving. 2-3 years ago he was tearing holes in Chelsea. He could carry the ball like Gareth Bale. If Mourinho can't make something out of him I'm going to be really pissed. It's the kind of player you invest a lot of time on to sort things out. First of all he need some really good support from the club to get his fitness back to 100%. He's looked really sharp before and today he looks like he's 34 years old ffs.
I don't want to hear anything about not wanting to play. There are several players out there who are scared of getting stuck in and yet they are megastars. We can't have a team full of "warriors" - just look at where we are now with every other player on crutches. It wouldn't surprise med if Mourinho benched Messi had he been the coach for Barca. Just take some time to think about José. Please don't mess this up you old git. We really need our Shaw back in the team.
I don't want to hear anything about not wanting to play. There are several players out there who are scared of getting stuck in and yet they are megastars. We can't have a team full of "warriors" - just look at where we are now with every other player on crutches. It wouldn't surprise med if Mourinho benched Messi had he been the coach for Barca. Just take some time to think about José. Please don't mess this up you old git. We really need our Shaw back in the team.
Has't Rose been out for ages?
One of the worst aspects of this year is that Shaw didn't manage to break to our team. With the exception of 3-4 games in the second round where he seemed able to do it, he was below par and was injured a lot. Darmian is okayish as a cover but we can't depend on him I believe. If we dont buy anyone, lets hope that Shaw can regain his summer 2015 form. But I am afraid we will end up with another Anderson and Jones situation, where we see the potential but injuries and maybe lack of mentality hamper the progression.
I would be really mad if we go for another LB this summer window. We have way to many LBs in our team who are capable of doing a great job.
I believe that Shaw will be back, and with Darmian, Blind or even Rojo as backups, we are way too full in that position.
I believe that Shaw will be back, and with Darmian, Blind or even Rojo as backups, we are way too full in that position.
Shaw is unreliable, Darmian is too defensive and offers nothing when we are dominating, for Blind see Darmian and finally, Rojo is absolutely woeful as a LB. That leaves us with one and a half options in Darmian and Blind. As Rojo is purely a CB for us and Shaw is always injured/not ready.
Shaw is 21 and extremely talented. There are players at the club that hadn't even made their first team debut at that age. He's to be given more time.
Ultimately, left back is not a priority and I don't expect there to be any real movement in this position. Some of you lot may just have to deal with it.
Ultimately, left back is not a priority and I don't expect there to be any real movement in this position. Some of you lot may just have to deal with it.
Yeah, I would gamble on Shaw too. Just in France, there should be alternatives if he fails next year with players like Maouassa and Ferland Mendy, the latter is still playing in Ligue 2 but he is rated and linked with Lyon and Monaco.
If there are issues next season then yes, we need to bring another body in, I agree. Even as early as January. But Shaw is talented. You don't play Premier League football at such a young age and look so brilliant if you're not. I think we owe it to him to give him another season to both mentally and physically recover from that awful injury - as well as rectify any off field issues he may or may not have.
When he plays he's our best left back by a huge distance. I can gamble on that. As you suggest, I'm sure there will be another shiny toy somewhere in Europe to replace him if that's what we need to do.
We are on same page, though in general I wouldn't gamble on left backs because they are rare and when you find a good prospect you should pounce on him but I have noticed that France and Spain in particular are starting to strangely pilling them.
I say we go for Raphael Guerreiro at Dortmund. I love watching him play. Tuchel has confirmed he is leaving. I think if we came in with an offer we'd get him.
I think he's much better than Danny Rose.
I think he's much better than Danny Rose.
Have we compiled a list of options available?
As far as i know these are "available" LBs that are good enough.
Options available:
Rose(Levy-valuation) - 50£ - Unstable. Defensive errors. Rather have Bertrand.
Mendy(Monaco)- 50£ - Big, heavy, good foot. Said to be not that professional(Partying. If Rooney stays for another year they might become BFFs)
Sandro(Juventus)- 60£ - Best all round LB in the world. (Marcelo is the better attacker, but Sandro clearly better in defense.)
Emerson(Roma)- 30£ - Torn ACL on sunday. Very similar to Alex Sandro in abilities and playing style, not that experienced though. Check out his goal against Villarreal!
Jordi Alba(Barcelona)- 30£ - New coach want to sell him. Fast, technical, attacking.
Bertrand(Southampton)- 20£ - Average.
Vain Rooney(Nightclub/McDonalds/Swamp in the middle of a forest) - 250 000£ a week - Since he has not played as a left back before he might do well there?
Anyone now about other options?
As far as i know these are "available" LBs that are good enough.
Options available:
Rose(Levy-valuation) - 50£ - Unstable. Defensive errors. Rather have Bertrand.
Mendy(Monaco)- 50£ - Big, heavy, good foot. Said to be not that professional(Partying. If Rooney stays for another year they might become BFFs)
Sandro(Juventus)- 60£ - Best all round LB in the world. (Marcelo is the better attacker, but Sandro clearly better in defense.)
Emerson(Roma)- 30£ - Torn ACL on sunday. Very similar to Alex Sandro in abilities and playing style, not that experienced though. Check out his goal against Villarreal!
Jordi Alba(Barcelona)- 30£ - New coach want to sell him. Fast, technical, attacking.
Bertrand(Southampton)- 20£ - Average.
Vain Rooney(Nightclub/McDonalds/Swamp in the middle of a forest) - 250 000£ a week - Since he has not played as a left back before he might do well there?
Anyone now about other options?
Bit worried about Danny Rose's injury.
None of this refutes what I said though, it's simply the level he performs at that we disagree on and I don't think a tier below the best is true, he's a 3rd tier player, second tier from the best would be the likes of Costa, Carrasco and Lemar. As for trusting Jose, on CB's I do, on wingers I don't, his idea for a winger is the opposite of mine and it's only recently he failed miserably with Cuadrado and Salah, the latter of whom is now performing much better than Perisic in Serie A.
So wrong on many counts. We do not have any good LBs at the moment, and thus absolutely no width or creativity on the left. That is one of the big factors for our pedestrian football and lack of goals. Rojo, Blind and Darmian are not natural or good enough and Shaw had been underwhelming. We need a worldclass LB and give Shaw time to recover and work his way back. He needs competition and if he can't, maybe he isnt good enough. Look at Real Madrid. They have Marcelo and is signing Theo Hernandez. That is the way to go if we still have any serious aspirations.
Okay, I guess we disagree on Perisic's level then. I think he is as good as Costa, Carrasco and Lemar given the same conditions (same team quality). But fair enough, people always have different views about player quality.
About Jose's idea of wingers:
Damien Duff, Joe Cole, Arjen Robbben, Angel Di Maria, Hazard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Pedro, SWP, Callejon even Salah and Caudrado (who unfortunately found England and Chelsea too difficult).
Not a bad list at all.
On that list seperate the ones he actually bought from the ones that were there, and then whittle it down to the ones he didn't have a problem with due to his demands for wingers to be as much about defending as attacking, Di Maria to me is the only winger he's had that produced both ends under his demands that he actually bought and hammered into being what he wants.
I have to say I don't rate Mendy or Rose too much. But I guess they are better than what we have so wouldn't mind either but at the same time I wouldn't worry if I saw them go to our rivals.
Me too. That and I can't get over how awful a player he was up until the last two years. Would stay away, and that's even before we consider the misery of having to deal with Levy.
Was looking forward to reading this until you critised the best left back in the league.
Do you realize taking a gamble on Shaw could easily cost us the league? We need to convert those draws into wins to challenge for the title, so we need a LB to be able to defend and support our attack intelligently. Shaw has shown signs he could eventually become that, but we need someone who can do the job now. This is a key position for our next campaign.
It could also win us the league, like any other transfer could fail or succeed.
Yes, but Madrid have Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema, Morata, James, Isco in the attacking positions, so they can concentrate on some other positions such as LB so they have decent backups. Theo Hernandez is a young LB who will be in addition to Marcelo. It doesn't mean that they want to replace him because he is better. We don't have the luxury to buy players in positions when we have 4 backups, while in other positions we have no depth at all. Check the attacking players of our team, and apart of Miki, Martial and Rashford, we have absolutely no threat there.
When Shaw was in form last season with LVG (before injury), I don't think there was any better LB in the league. I think Mou was unfair with him this season, as he is a young player who needs confidence and not the words Mou spoke about him. So we just need to get him in form, and he will doubt you all wrong.
Although buying a LB may not be the top most priority this summer, I strongly believe that we need someone better than Darmian out there. Shaw is not the same after his injury, Rojo/Blind at LB have not inspired as well as they did as CBs. The fact that Mitchell had such a noticeable game against Palace, is because we got used to watching Darmian providing nothing going forward. Possibly one more reason why Martial did not progress this season as no one basically doubled up with him in his forward runs.
Very unfair.
A manager does not need to buy all the players he uses neither should having a problem with a player mean he does not fancy such a player in a particular role in pure footballing terms. And please name one modern day manager who does not demand his wingers to track back and defend. It is no coincidence that most of the best wingers in the world today, work extremely hard on the pitch.
Most of the players in the list I gave, played enough with him to win many important trophies and most of them still have nice things to say about him till now despite his enormous demands on them as players.
I never said wingers don't track back, but he is more concerned with that than how they attack, it's how he literally broke Hazard, got nothing out of Pedro, Salah and Caudrado and fell out with Ronaldo.
Again unfair.
Easy to point out when / where there were problems and to form conclusions based on hear says. He didn't 'break' Hazard. He and Chelsea simply had perhaps their worst season ever. Hazard has explained why he had a bad season before Jose left Chelsea. It is well documented. He said he was simply not good enough and he was not fit. People conveniently forget that the same Hazard had his most successful season at Chelsea under Jose Mourinho (perhaps with the exception of this season but that is debatable. He was the PFA player of the season by a distance in that title winning season under Jose). So what happened? Jose suddenly started asking him to track back and it 'broke' him? Come on.
Salah had chance after chance to play and he simply blew those chances. I watched almost every game he played at Chelsea because I am a big fan of his. It had nothing to do with the demands of tracking back. He simply didn't adapt well to the EPL. And don't forget he desperately wanted to play in a team with four established attacking midfielders in front of him: Eden Hazard, Oscar, Willian and Andre Schurrle.
And about Ronaldo at Real Madrid. Jose practically fell out with most of the squad and not just him: Cassillas, Ramos, Pepe, etc. About tracking back, yes, he demanded Ronaldo should track back more. What was wrong with that? Please go and check Ronaldo's biography. Balague stated clearly that many of the players in the team had asked Jose to demand that Cristiano should track back more. It was clearly a problem the team had. We all see how much he seems to have improved that aspect of his game. Maybe he saw that Lionel Messi had no problems tracking back despite his immense attacking talents.
I'm not being unfair, your view just absolves Jose of any fault in each case and my viewpoint doesn't. To me it's noticeable that Jose's problems are always with flair players, even here at United he's struggled with Martial but worships Rashord, now the output of both has been relatively poor this season in an attacking sense compared to how they did under LvG, but Rashford is favoured because he grafts better. As far as Ronnie goes, Fergie built our system to cover for the fact Ronaldo didn't track back, as Rio said the lads didn't mind because he's special and you want him fully focused on his main job, which is attacking. Hazard has been diplomatic in how he handled his collapse last season, but it's again no coincidence that he has had a season of more consistent performance under Conte who has used a system that gives Hazard a free role with no defensive responsibilities.
Posted those before, but who cares: Samir (Udinese), Dalbert (Nice), Grimaldo (Benfica), Alex Telles (Porto), Willems (Eindhoven), Theo Hernandez (Alaves; Atletico, since it's not confirmed yet that he's going to Real, he can be included)
Ricardo Pereira (Nice; Porto), Sidibe (Monaco) and Henrichs (Leverkusen) can play there as well. Can't say I've seen enough of some of them, some I've hardly seen at all, but I've read good things about them. Some of them are probably not good enough.
I assume you mean Rooney?
If you mean D.R. then for the past two seasons he has on average been the best. It might be that i have put Walker and the "old" Tottenham defence, with their typical one huge defensive error a game, and accredited this to Rose. I do agree that he is a viable option, but being the best LB in PL, does not mean that you are good enough. Just looking at this season and some of the "top" teams preferred LB:
Arsenal - Monreal. Shit
City - Clichy and Kolarov. Neh
Liverpool - Milner. Neh.
In general not that impressive. On
On the other hand he has played in a system which have let him operate as a winger in attack, hugging the touchline. And hopefully this is how we would use our FBs next season. I would still pick Sandro, Alba and Emerson over him. Mendy is a player that i don't really know how to classify. He seems to be too big and heavy for a FB, running up and down for 90 might be hard. Build to play like a CB, not a LB. Can perform that way for Monaco in L1. Physique more suited to playing central on the pitch.
But i will update the list to something like this:
Top LB options available:
Rose(Levy-valuation) - 50£ - Used to play as "winger" in attack. Professional. PL-proven. Levy might rob Woody for a lot of £.
Mendy(Monaco)- 50£ - Big, heavy, good foot. Said to be not that professional(Partying. If Rooney stays for another year they might become BFFs)
Sandro(Juventus)- 60£ - Best all round LB in the world. (Marcelo is the better attacker, but Sandro clearly better in defense.)
Emerson(Roma)- 30£ - Torn ACL on sunday. Very similar to Alex Sandro in abilities and playing style, not that experienced though. Check out his goal against Villarreal!
Jordi Alba(Barcelona)- 30£ - New coach want to sell him. Fast, technical, attacking.
Bertrand(Southampton)- 20£ - Safe, performing.
Vain Rooney(Nightclub/McDonalds/Swamp in the middle of a forest) - 250 000£ a week - Since he has not played as a left back before he might do well there?
I do think that with Mourinho requires all his players, flair players or not, to put in the graft on the pitch. This ensures that even when things aren't coming off in attack, they are still assets to the team. When things aren't coming off for Martial, the game just totally passes him by.
For this reason I'd be surprised if we aren't interest in Sanchez, he gives everything. Not that I think there's a chance Wenger would sell him to us/Mourinho.
Guerreiro would be a brilliant signing if we could get him.
I personally think of Bernat at Bayern who isn't playing because of Alaba. Very good player sitting on the bench, think a good deal could be made for him.
Telles is a decent option I think, I know he got himself stupidly sent off against Juve but the other times I've seen him play for Porto he's been good. Sidibie has struggled this season when asked to play at LB and I think @JPRouve would agree he's even been shaky defensively at RB.
We need another attacking LB. Another one with some pace.
I don't want to be reading all the excuses again for Martial because he doesn't have a fullback to help him out and don't give me that crap about one fullback staying back, that's a load of bull.
I don't want to be reading all the excuses again for Martial because he doesn't have a fullback to help him out and don't give me that crap about one fullback staying back, that's a load of bull.
I know that's his mindset and it's not the worst one to have if you man manage those that aren't nautrally built that way, and he himself has said he's not always great with the type of players that need an arm around the shoulder. Anyway we are getting way off the LB topic.
Oh yeah, agreed on Sanchez but as you say the bad blood between Mourinho and Wenger is likely why we don't seem to be even trying.
Wouldn't be my first choice either. From that list I'd definitely prefer Ricardo Pereira or Dalbert.
Samir is a CB. Still a good player and could be a potential back up/future starter CB. And could cover at LB on occasions. Seems a bit reckless though. Telles lacks physique. Imagine Juan Mata on meth.
The rest i have not seen enough of, but will check them out.