Not true! I thought Matic circa 2014-15 was top quality and would have loved him here, but he hasn't shown to be same roaming midfield enforcer in a long time.
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Not true! I thought Matic circa 2014-15 was top quality and would have loved him here, but he hasn't shown to be same roaming midfield enforcer in a long time.
*Sigh*.
Well, at least we'll be able to beat the shit out of any team. Even if not quite match them at football.
Well, at least we'll be able to beat the shit out of any team. Even if not quite match them at football.
People are overrating how good he currently is. He isnt the same player he was. He is still good, but please, i have watched Chelsea quite a bit last season and on a number of occasions where he fecked up important passes in midfield or didnt track his runner from midfield. Chelsea are happy to let him go to a rival and we are dumb to pay the premium price.
Fees being mentioned must be nonsense, if they are true we must be desperate. Problem with this signing and perisic if true, would be huge investment for minor improvement and if they don't hit ground running straight away they very quickly look like deadwood.
Having said that if he reproduced his form of first season at Chelsea he would be upgrade on current options, last two seasons haven't been encouraging though.
Having said that if he reproduced his form of first season at Chelsea he would be upgrade on current options, last two seasons haven't been encouraging though.
Strange. Took it for granted it was per game since whoscored said he had 62,2 passes per 90 min. (2,5 less than Azpi.)
His stats where declining before Kante arrived, but not as significantly. Furthermore, the entire Chelsea-team was below par in 2015/2016, and you would consequently expect their numbers to drop.
Furthermore, according to whoscored, he accounted for 11,67 % of their passes in 2014/2015. In 2016/2017 he accounted for 11,00 %. Although that is a drop, I do not consider the drop significant. It is certainly not significant enough to say that it indicates a decline. It could as well be a change in tactics.
For the record, I did not intend to say the numbers were wrong. Just that the interpretation of them was poor.
Those stats from last season 
I don't know about anybody else but, while watching us last season, I definitely felt our midfield was crying out for someone slow who doesn't tackle and has shown a willingness to down tools. Can't we offer them £60m instead?
I don't know about anybody else but, while watching us last season, I definitely felt our midfield was crying out for someone slow who doesn't tackle and has shown a willingness to down tools. Can't we offer them £60m instead?I think he's a good player and the signing makes complete sense.
I honestly think £50m would be the most absurd transfer fee I've ever seen though. And we've seen some absolutely bonkers deals.
They signed him £21m?
He's not young, he's doesn't have a star player profile, he plays in a position that doesn't typically big transfer fees (he's a defensive midfielder ffs, not a 40 goals a season striker), his manager has so little interest in keeping him that he's not let him go on their pre season tour.
I can't put into words how ridiculous that fee is.
I honestly think £50m would be the most absurd transfer fee I've ever seen though. And we've seen some absolutely bonkers deals.
They signed him £21m?
He's not young, he's doesn't have a star player profile, he plays in a position that doesn't typically big transfer fees (he's a defensive midfielder ffs, not a 40 goals a season striker), his manager has so little interest in keeping him that he's not let him go on their pre season tour.
I can't put into words how ridiculous that fee is.
He's 29 next week. Naming him in the same breath as Busquets is a little bit insulting to the latter. And by challenging anyone to name a better DM, you're basically suggesting that you'd reject any such suggestion out of hand. So what's the point. Plenty of alternative have been listed in this thread.
Jose could also end up doing that theoretically
So much negativity in here. He'd be great for us I think.
He'd be great for us I think.I would rather pay the 50m on Perisic, at least he is not in decline and alternatives are much harder to find on the wing for the money.
Think Matic is good but 50 Mio is insane. Please no.
And (Matic and Perisic) they'd have no resale value relative to what we'd paid for them. We could literally be in the market next summer for their replacements, which would require another £100m, and we'd have thrown £100m down the drain this summer. For all those saying it's not your money so it doesn't matter, surely you have to draw the line somewhere?
He was a very good player once but he's declining rapidly and, as we've seen with Rooney, that process rarely reverses itself once it has begun.
The 'well Mourinho knows him better than you do' argument is flawed as managers are often the last to realise that the players that they have relied on have declined i.e. Mourinho and Ivanovic.
The 'well Mourinho knows him better than you do' argument is flawed as managers are often the last to realise that the players that they have relied on have declined i.e. Mourinho and Ivanovic.
Jesus Christ that guy is ancient. Soon to be 29. He can give us what, 1, 1.5 years.
Not want.
Not want.
£50 mil seems a bit steep. I reckon Man United have planted that in the press so when they actually pay about £30 mil, it will seem like a bargain.
As early as next summer?
In the case of Matic, that might actually quite be true.
Yeah sure. Maybe he'll be over with his career on Christmas.
It's bonkers even in today's market. As you point out, everything should point to this being a cheap-to-reasonable deal - except of course that Chelsea are selling and we are buying.
I'd take him as a stop-gap to bulk out the midfield options, with the intention to upgrade later.. at £30m max. Fact is we need options in midfield so we need to get someone in... however, Matic @£50m is not the answer. Not only is it short-term thinking to sign him above any other option, but such profligacy sets the market for any other purchases we intend to make further down the line.
Stupid market yes. Get it done though.
Jose will throw him under the bus at that time, but still play him and wonder what goes wrong.
You joke big, slow guys often decline rapidly.
Rooney was essentially finished at that age while Ibrahimovic was arguably getting better. You judge players by their performances and that's what suggests that Matic is on the decline.
Why do you think this?
And yet Carrick is 35..
Thats it. If Izec from Redcafe isnt convinced then nor am I!
Maybe he's on decline or maybe he had a ruff year or 2.
Is that true?
Have to laugh at multiple people in here saying he's better or "much" better than Bakayoko having not even seen the latter play in a Chelsea shirt yet.
Conte, a serial title winner who's coached and played alongside some world class midfielders, made Bakayoko our priority midfield signing yet posters here think they know better than he does.
Conte, a serial title winner who's coached and played alongside some world class midfielders, made Bakayoko our priority midfield signing yet posters here think they know better than he does.
Well then he'll be out of the door, amIrite?
It's possible but it certainly wouldn't be worth risking fifty million to find out.
Zlatan, Drogba & Crouch did not really decline too much in their early 30s.
It's the fattys (Rooney, Toure) who decline and Matic is not one of them.
Yeah man, just look at Zlatan, Carrick, Scholes ect... It is so obviously true
Obvious sarcasm, but besides the age some people believe he's in decline too. Being 29yo is one thing, but 29 and in decline is quite another to shell out £50m for a DM. And before you say anything, much better players than Matic have declined at this age. Few people were listening back in 2013 about the decline of Rooney.
If i look at his last 3 years, i dont see anything suggesting he will give us 3 or 4 years. Same with Rooney, you could see years ago he was finished. Matic is in decline and not as bad, but the signs are there. I cant accept a 50m price tag.
Not his age that's the problem.
Fellaini is more mobile than him ffs!
But at this point, I'm just desperate for someone.
Fellaini is more mobile than him ffs!
But at this point, I'm just desperate for someone.
I disagree, at least Dier has some upside, Matic is like £40M just thrown away, already past his best and no longer good enough. Dier isn't great but at least his mobility and age mean there is something to work with.
I don't really see any comparison between him and Alonso/Carrick, both were cultured Deep lying playmakers who used the ball superbly in setting the tempo for the team, they were also more mobile than Matic who is practically a statue at this point.
He might be built like Ibra but just like Ibra his mobility is poor and unlike Ibra he's not athletic so he can't make up for it, he moves like a tanker and can't cover the ground to protect a back 4 anymore, he'd just be another grotesque waste of money IMO and another player whose limitations force Herrera and Pogba to curtail their game to operate as legs for someone else.
i dont have to convince you, i will let Matic do the talking on the pitch. You can quote me in 2 years.
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