So Jose is assembling the tallest side in premier league history. Move over Pulis.
Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed
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In a 4231, I can't see Pogba starting for us as a 10, especially in games we should be looking to win.
I can imagine Jose will do something similar to Chelsea, where he used Matic next to Fabregas (in this case it'll be Pogba). Then in the bigger games, he stuck Fabregas as a 10, moving Oscar wide and bringing in Mikel or Ramires next to Matic. Either that, or he'll use a 433 in the tougher games.
4231 - Games we should be winning
Lukaku
Rashford Mkhitaryan Mata
Matic Pogba
Rashford Mkhitaryan Mata
Matic Pogba
4231 - Games we want to tighten up
Lukaku
Rashford Pogba Mkhitaryan
Matic Herrera
We'll see I suppose.
I don't think Mourinho is the type of guy to be so rigid in his targets. I doubt EPL is that important to him.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if we don't strengthen the midfield at all.
I'd say it's more likely to (or should, at least) be Herrera-Pogba in games we should be winning. Agree with the second one.
I have no idea why people think Matic will be better than Herrera in that 4-2-3-1. Herrera was, quite literally, our player of the season in that role. While Chelsea were looking to upgrade on Matic as soon as the season was over. And they did, with a younger player at a lower cost.
For £25m... maybe £30m at a push, I'd understand it. But £50m? Mourinho bought him from Benfica for £22m at his prime at 26.
Pogba - Matic is going to be a terrible pairing. Matic movement is gone long ago. He's now slow and depends on positioning more. With Pogba defensive liabilities the midfield will be wrecked so easily. Also we'll have a player on the pitch who can't attack at all (Matic) while Herrera can rush forward and participate in the attack. This pair is never going to work.
The only way to get Matic to the team is with a player who can compensate for his immobility, just like what Kante was doing in Chelsea. We'll need Herrera beside him all the time with Pogba upfront. Either this or we use Matic only in big games and play the easy ones with Herrera and Pogba.
The only way to get Matic to the team is with a player who can compensate for his immobility, just like what Kante was doing in Chelsea. We'll need Herrera beside him all the time with Pogba upfront. Either this or we use Matic only in big games and play the easy ones with Herrera and Pogba.
Pogba and Herrera are guaranteed starters. IF we sign Matic, it's 3 in the middle.
I would like that too, but I can imagine that'll be most of the time in the EPL, hence why I don't see why we'd spend so much money on someone who's only going to come in for the 'tougher' games.
I disagree. Jose likes his 4231. We looked very good against City on the counter today. What we did lack; however, was someone to sit in front of the back four.
As good as Herrera is, he hasn't got the required positional and tactical awareness to be a holding midfielder against the top teams. At times against City we looked vulnerable through the middle.
I don't believe the rumours on this. Chelsea will not do business with us.
Let us all pray that's the case. Although if we outbid everyone...
Chelsea didn't just sign a younger player than Matic, they signed an entirely different type of midfielder. That's because Matic doesn't suit their system. That doesn't mean he wouldn't suit ours though (whatever that is) and perform better as a result.
Please let this happen.
I don't, but I'm trying to get my head around the signing, if we're going to play a 4231 for the majority of the season.
I could understand if we signed a squad player like Biglia, Gonalons, Dendonker - you know, players who wouldn't mind being a squad player, who could come in for the so called tougher games.
With Matic, surely he'll start most games if we're spending that amount of money on him.
Thing is, Bakayoko isn't an upgrade to Matic.
I know, but he might be in the future. They both have similar flaws, at Bakayokos age, he is more likely to remove them from his game in the future. £40 mill + is great business for us.
You won't have any holding midifeldrs if you get rid of Matic, unless Conte is looking to add another midfielder.
He did look more mobile when he returned to Chelsea in early 2014 and the 14/15 season. Last season I felt he was a bit slower than I remembered.
What are Pogba's defensive liabilities? Who is going to wreck that midfield?
Matic scored in the FA Cup semi-final and it makes absolutely no sense that you'd have Herrera baby-sitting Matic. What would be the purpose in that?
Probably our best and most consistent spell last season came with the Carrick, Herrera, Pogba trio. I guess it depends on the opponents, but I suspect we will look to control midfield a little better now that we have a quick number 9 that we can play through to.
£50m!?! For Chelsea's worst player. Just seriously!?!
Pogba isn't the type of the midfielder who will backtrack continuously to cut the balls and provide defensive cover. He's not a box to box in my eyes but a more of attacking midfield. If you think you'll restrict him to always backtracking back to cover for Matic immobility then you're killing him.
I'm struggling to understand what's the relation of a goal scored by Matic in what I'm saying. Chelsea have been playing with Matic in front of the goal with Kante moving and pressing everywhere to cover for Matic immobility. If he joined us Herrera will probably be doing the same. Otherwise, Matic slowness is going to be easily exposed as Pogba won't be supporting him much. If you consider Kante was also baby-sitting Matic as well, then it's up to you.
Yes he is, he wouldn't come off of Stones in Pogba in summer '15 and when he couldn't get them, he didn't want anyone.
You really think that he's Chelsea's worst player? Just seriously!?!
Ain't watch much of Matic lately huh?
That's all guesswork.
Ain't watched much of Bakayoko huh?
Eh why would we be getting Matic to play in a 4-2-3-1? We'll be getting him to play 4-3-3 with Pogba and Herrera being given more freedom to create. When we do play 4-2-3-1 it will be Pogba and Herrera in midfield with Mkhi ahead. Matic doesn't have the pace or stamina to deal with a 4-2-3-1 system.
Imagine being stupid enough to trust Mourinho's idea on a good holding midfielder over randomers on Redcafe.
To each their own, but not wanting Mourinho to get a player he feels is best for his team is silly. (If it was LvG then yeah fine)
To each their own, but not wanting Mourinho to get a player he feels is best for his team is silly. (If it was LvG then yeah fine)
Just such an awful post.
That last line makes this a dumb post. LVG had won plenty and was a well respected manager
my god there is some bullshit being posted in this thread , personally I think Matic will fit in well if we bought him.
Has for the price, the transfer market is crazy this summer, prices are inflated, plus its m=not coming out of my account so I dont care.
Has for the price, the transfer market is crazy this summer, prices are inflated, plus its m=not coming out of my account so I dont care.
Ironically I don't recall any moaning about any of van Gaals signings, but everyone is having a go at the players Mourinho wants.
I keep reading this a lot, but Pogba is superb at back-tracking and is one of the best box-to-box midfielders in the world. I really hope the myth about him being 'shackled' finally disappears early in the new season.
Matic scoring was in relation to you saying he couldn't attack at all.
I don't understand all these concerns about needing two defensively strong midfielders, creating a block. United barely needs one in most games. We also have a defence, remember, which is often rarely troubled in games.
Would have thought the same, though Mourinho did play a 4-2-3-1 with Matic the last time he won a PL title.
Might indicate an increased scepticism among fans following a series of bad signings following Ferguson's retirement (with a few exceptions, Herrera being the most obvious)
The reason he doesn't suit their system is because he's been becoming less and less capable of playing well enough in a 2-man midfield. I saw an infomatic on twitter when they were linked with Bakayoko (trying to explain the interest in him) which showed that for Matic the number of tackles, interceptions and more importantly distance covered has been going down year on year since his first year with Mourinho. He's becoming a bit like Carrick, capable of a very specialist role. He's not mobile enough or versatile.
Which brings us back to the question, why sign him for £50m when he's been declining and when we play 4-2-3-1 in half our games. I can list a quite a few DMs I'd take over him at the moment, and that's before I even consider the price and value-for-money. N'Didi, Gueye, Dier... probably Romeu too and that's from the EPL alone.
It's really not.
We're helping out our rivals by taking their aging player off them while they replace him with a cheaper, younger model.
We're doing them a huge favour.
What a terrible and ignorant post.
Lots of them in this thread, I guess if he was called Matinho maybe he would be more acceptable...
Anyway, to be honest - I don't think it's happening. Think he'll go to Juve.
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