Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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If Mourinho signs him it'll be because he's confident his performances have dropped for tactical reasons, rather than because of his ability or age. For example he may feel that Conte has restricted him in favour of Kante, which I'd agree with. Watching Matic last season I saw someone who was seemingly devoid of any direction in the midfield. It isn't a coincidence in my view that Kante's defensive stats this season (tackling for example) are similar to Matic's 15/16, whilst the latters have nosedived.

I personally thought given the situation he played well 15/16 and obviously he was fantastic 14/15. This season he's been asked to play a different game in my view and he's been ok but not great.

Mourinho will give him exactly the same role as he had 14/15 - he'll be in a midfield two with Pogba in the easier games (possibly Herrera-Pogba at home) and a midfield three with Herrera and Pogba in the harder games.

In terms of signings you could bring in and have absolute confidence that from day one he'd provide a solid base for our attackers to work from you aren't going to get much better.

I also.doubt it'll be £40m, I'd bet it'll be around £32m plus a few extra £m if we win the league. A much better price than the £40-45m for Dier that's for sure, a player you can guarantee will.never reach the heights of 14/15 Matic simply because he doesn't have the talent.
 
Camy89 said:
I've seen your 'appeal to authority nonsense' posts a couple of times on here.

You know what? Good for you, I'm happy that you take the moral high ground in thinking that your decision/view is better than anyone elses, I really am.

But from where I stand, I'm here to support my club, and while Matic is not my first choice, it may be well what we get. Acting like spoilt children and chucking the toys out the pram has been the theme of today - what's that going to achieve? I take the stand where I will swallow my pride, and admit that Mourinho is far more in the know than me. He knows what he needs, he's a very tactically astute manager, he's worked with this guy before, knows his personality, knows his strengths/weaknesses and I trust him to get the best out of him.

I just don't get why taking the stance that Mourinho knows what he is doing is a position of weakness/should be ridiculed.
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Every manager in the PL and every other major European League has way more experience and knowledge in Football than anyone who posts here. Even Moyes.
 
Camy89 said:
I've seen your 'appeal to authority nonsense' posts a couple of times on here.

You know what? Good for you, I'm happy that you take the moral high ground in thinking that your decision/view is better than anyone elses, I really am.

But from where I stand, I'm here to support my club, and while Matic is not my first choice, it may be well what we get. Acting like spoilt children and chucking the toys out the pram has been the theme of today - what's that going to achieve? I take the stand where I will swallow my pride, and admit that Mourinho is far more in the know than me. He knows what he needs, he's a very tactically astute manager, he's worked with this guy before, knows his personality, knows his strengths/weaknesses and I trust him to get the best out of him.

I just don't get why taking the stance that Mourinho knows what he is doing is a position of weakness/should be ridiculed.
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Bravo.
 
finneh said:
If Mourinho signs him it'll be because he's confident his performances have dropped for tactical reasons, rather than because of his ability or age. For example he may feel that Conte has restricted him in favour of Kante, which I'd agree with. Watching Matic last season I saw someone who was seemingly devoid of any direction in the midfield. It isn't a coincidence in my view that Kante's defensive stats this season (tackling for example) are similar to Matic's 15/16, whilst the latters have nosedived.

I personally thought given the situation he played well 15/16 and obviously he was fantastic 14/15. This season he's been asked to play a different game in my view and he's been ok but not great.

Mourinho will give him exactly the same role as he had 14/15 - he'll be in a midfield two with Pogba in the easier games (possibly Herrera-Pogba at home) and a midfield three with Herrera and Pogba in the harder games.

In terms of signings you could bring in and have absolute confidence that from day one he'd provide a solid base for our attackers to work from you aren't going to get much better.
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Fantastic post.

Some of the stupid stuff posted on this forum is crazy at times. Matic is more than good enough to play the holding role that Pogba requires for his expansive game from midfield. If people can't see that's the intention they're clearly blinkered by fancy names and flash in the pan footballers who've actually achieved very little to get such recognition.

At least with Matic we know we're getting.
 
Such an underwhelming signing if true. Buying a Chelsea cast off to help fund their upgrade. If he was as integral to their title winning team as some are making out they wouldn't be selling him to us and strengthening a direct rival. They don't need the money.
 
finneh said:
If Mourinho signs him it'll be because he's confident his performances have dropped for tactical reasons, rather than because of his ability or age. For example he may feel that Conte has restricted him in favour of Kante, which I'd agree with. Watching Matic last season I saw someone who was seemingly devoid of any direction in the midfield. It isn't a coincidence in my view that Kante's defensive stats this season (tackling for example) are similar to Matic's 15/16, whilst the latters have nosedived.

I personally thought given the situation he played well 15/16 and obviously he was fantastic 14/15. This season he's been asked to play a different game in my view and he's been ok but not great.

Mourinho will give him exactly the same role as he had 14/15 - he'll be in a midfield two with Pogba in the easier games (possibly Herrera-Pogba at home) and a midfield three with Herrera and Pogba in the harder games.

In terms of signings you could bring in and have absolute confidence that from day one he'd provide a solid base for our attackers to work from you aren't going to get much better.

I also.doubt it'll be £40m, I'd bet it'll be around £32m plus a few extra £m if we win the league. A much better price than the £40-45m for Dier that's for sure, a player you can guarantee will.never reach the heights of 14/15 Matic simply because he doesn't have the talent.
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Bravo, sir, bravo.
 
lewwoo said:
Such an underwhelming signing if true. Buying a Chelsea cast off to help fund their upgrade. If he was as integral to their title winning team as some are making out they wouldn't be selling him to us and strengthening a direct rival. They don't need the money.
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What if their upgrade is actually shite and no better than Matic?

Bakayoko has proven nothing, in fact he looked completely lost against Juventus.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Every manager in the PL and every other major European League has way more experience and knowledge in Football than anyone who posts here. Even Moyes.
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Which is why its pointless losing your shit over something you know nothing about. Myself included.

Who knows Matic could be a success here or he could be shit. Let's just have faith in our manager and wait and see.
 
Devil81 said:
What if their upgrade is actually shite and no better than Matic?

Bakayoko has proven nothing, in fact he looked completely lost against Juventus.
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Matic looked completed lost against United. Are we back to judging players based on one game?
 
RDCR07 said:
Well if dont have the luxury of taking a risk, then lets not buy anyone foreign player. Lets stick to the premier league cause only those players are "premier league proven".
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I'm not saying don't buy foreign. I'm more saying it seems Jose is choosing a player who he knows will work in a system he wants to play. If we only sign one midfielder, we run the real risk of them not settling in. Hence, he would probably prefer a player he knows well.
 
Surely Mourinho has a fascination (or fetish) for names beginning with M (Mourinho). In fact every player must have at least one name starting with M - (his dreamplayer is Michael Mancienne)

So he will probably play the following team: Marcos Rojo, Fosu-Mensah, Matteo Darmian, Michael Carrick, Marouane Fellaini, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Morata, Martial, Marcus Rashford

Which means - if de Gea leaves - Mourinho will try to sign Manuel Neuer or Marc Andre Ter Stegen
 
Camy89 said:
I've seen your 'appeal to authority nonsense' posts a couple of times on here.

You know what? Good for you, I'm happy that you take the moral high ground in thinking that your decision/view is better than anyone elses, I really am.

But from where I stand, I'm here to support my club, and while Matic is not my first choice, it may be well what we get. Acting like spoilt children and chucking the toys out the pram has been the theme of today - what's that going to achieve? I take the stand where I will swallow my pride, and admit that Mourinho is far more in the know than me. He knows what he needs, he's a very tactically astute manager, he's worked with this guy before, knows his personality, knows his strengths/weaknesses and I trust him to get the best out of him.

I just don't get why taking the stance that Mourinho knows what he is doing is a position of weakness/should be ridiculed.
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Ah, this is where you've fecked up. This is actually not a support group, but a forum - a medium for discussion. The facebook page is probably more suitable for your needs - try that.
 
RDCR07 said:
Matic looked completed lost against United. Are we back to judging players based on one game?
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I see nothing in Bakayoko that Matic doesn't already offer.

He's just the flavour of the month, the negativity toward the Matic signing is just pathetic.

You can't just sign Marquee signings in every position.
 
Telegraph are saying he was our third choice after Babayako amd Dier....how would they know that!

Amyhow i don't think he is a bad player, i am just not comfortable with us over paying and funding other clubs transfers.
 
Devil81 said:
What if their upgrade is actually shite and no better than Matic?

Bakayoko has proven nothing, in fact he looked completely lost against Juventus.
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Conte and Chelsea are no fools. They wouldn't sell a player they rated to us if they weren't 99% sure they were improving the squad with his replacement. Of course there are no certainties. This looks like Mourinho wanting to go with what he knows and getting some of his own players in. I hope it works out and he is a success but it still feels underwhelming to me.
 
Skills said:
Ah, this is where you've fecked up. This is actually not a support group, but a forum - a medium for discussion. The facebook page is probably more suitable for your needs - try that.
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Well....it's a forum of manchester united fans....who supposedly support the club. Yes...it's a forum for discussion...but a lot of people don't discuss, they just make a statement and don't even debate. They metaphorically put their fingers in their ears and won't even entertain the other side of the argument. Also....your 'facebook' comment is patronising and unwarranted.
 
togg said:
Well....it's a forum of manchester united fans....who supposedly support the club. Yes...it's a forum for discussion...but a lot of people don't discuss, they just make a statement and don't even debate. They metaphorically put their fingers in their ears and won't even entertain the other side of the argument. Also....your 'facebook' comment is patronising and unwarranted.
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What type of discussion is it if everyone just blindly agrees?
 
lewwoo said:
Conte and Chelsea are no fools. They wouldn't sell a player they rated to us if they weren't 99% sure they were improving the squad with his replacement. Of course there are no certainties but this looks like Mourinho wanting to go with what he knows and getting some of his own players in. I hope it works out and he is a success but it still feels underwhelming to me.
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Conte and Chelsea are no fools....

So by that, I'm taking you think Mourinho and United are?

This is the same Chelsea that signed, Cuadrado, Salah, Kezman, Schevchenko (Over the hill) Veron, Torres, Jarosik, Boulahrouz.

Roman has wasted just as much as he's had success.
 
lewwoo said:
Conte and Chelsea are no fools. They wouldn't sell a player they rated to us if they weren't 99% sure they were improving the squad with his replacement. Of course there are no certainties. This looks like Mourinho wanting to go with what he knows and getting some of his own players in. I hope it works out and he is a success but it still feels underwhelming to me.
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Conte isn't fool, but obviously Jose's not fool too to accept Matic if he doesn't know he'll be good for him. This sentence can go either way.

Thing is mistakes in transfers happen and if there's a chance Jose might be mistaken about Matic, same can happen on the other side by the same percent, that Conte might be mistaken of getting Bakayoko instead of Matic.

It can go either way.
 
NinjaFletch said:
And also because his form's already fallen off a cliff this side of 30.
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Based off what? He's looked fine whenever I've seen Chelsea this season. Mou's last season wasn't anything we can judge anyone on. Anybody here saying they don't want players because they downed tools under Mourinho are turning down the likes of Hazard.
 
el3mel said:
Conte isn't fool, but obviously Jose's not fool too to accept Matic if he doesn't know he'll be good for him. This sentence can go either way.

Thing is mistakes in transfers happen and if there's a chance Jose might be mistaken be mistaken about Matic, same can happen on the other side by the same percent, that Conte might be mistaken of getting Bakayoko instead of Matic.

It can go either way.
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Exactly.
 
Devil81 said:
Conte and Chelsea are no fools....

So by that, I'm taking you think Mourinho and United are?

This is the same Chelsea that signed, Cuadrado, Salah, Kezman, Schevchenko (Over the hill) Veron, Torres, Jarosik, Boulahrouz.

Roman has wasted just as much as he's had success.
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How many of them was Jose responsible for though? :lol:
 
lysglimt said:
Surely Mourinho has a fascination (or fetish) for names beginning with M (Mourinho). In fact every player must have at least one name starting with M - (his dreamplayer is Michael Mancienne)

So he will probably play the following team: Marcos Rojo, Fosu-Mensah, Matteo Darmian, Michael Carrick, Marouane Fellaini, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Morata, Martial, Marcus Rashford

Which means - if de Gea leaves - Mourinho will try to sign Manuel Neuer or Marc Andre Ter Stegen
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I came here to say exactly the same.
 
Devil81 said:
Conte and Chelsea are no fools....

So by that, I'm taking you think Mourinho and United are?

This is the same Chelsea that signed, Cuadrado, Salah, Kezman, Schevchenko (Over the hill) Veron, Torres, Jarosik, Boulahrouz.

Roman has wasted just as much as he's had success.
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Every team makes poor signings. I could reel off a list fergie made over the years but wont bother. Thats why I said there are no certainties. But to sell a player they saw as important to their title winning team to us would be nuts. Even if he didn't fit with their plans going forward and the way they wanted to play why would they sell us a player they thought would significantly strengthen us? Like I said I hope I'm proved wrong but there is a reason Chelsea are happy to sell him to a direct rival for the league next season.
 
Skills said:
Ah, this is where you've fecked up. This is actually not a support group, but a forum - a medium for discussion. The facebook page is probably more suitable for your needs - try that.
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Quite condescending, thank you.

If you can describe people putting others down for their opinion a 'discussion', then fine. I don't, I welcome a proper discussion, one that engages you. The amount of 'I'm right, you're an idiot' style posts on here today has been unhealthy.
 
This transfer window is a bit meh,can we just sell and resign pogba to have a rollercoaster of emotions like last year (couldn't sleep,was actively dreaming abt pogba,refreshing my twitter feed every five minutes)...wish I had found this place sooner because you people know how to have a proper meltdown..
 
lysglimt said:
Surely Mourinho has a fascination (or fetish) for names beginning with M (Mourinho). In fact every player must have at least one name starting with M - (his dreamplayer is Michael Mancienne)

So he will probably play the following team: Marcos Rojo, Fosu-Mensah, Matteo Darmian, Michael Carrick, Marouane Fellaini, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Morata, Martial, Marcus Rashford

Which means - if de Gea leaves - Mourinho will try to sign Manuel Neuer or Marc Andre Ter Stegen
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We're getting Victor Mannone mate.
 
NeglectedGoat said:
I just think its unfair to say he'll never reach the heights of his first season. Fair enough the season after that he was poor but the whole squad was. I mean I don't think its ridiculous to think that this season his form has been influenced by a new role and formation. He's been playing beside Kante who's gotten all the plaudits but how do we know he won't thrive in a role where he's the main defensive midfielder in a midfield 2/3? He certainly done that in his returning season alongside Cesc.

And just to clarify, I'm not saying he will indeed return to this form but I think it's knee-jerk and unjust to say he's old and over the hill. Footballers are complex and certain players thrive under certain conditions/formations/managers. I don't think it'd be the most surprising thing to see him return to the heights of his first season back with Chelsea.
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If he does it would be pretty much unprecedented-it's not like he's suffered some sort of acute injury that he'd need time to bounce back from, it's been a situation where he's been chronically out of form for about two years now. Yes, he bounced back partially this season, but a lot of that is likely because he like most of our team was put in a position to succeed by the manager. I don't think he can anchor a midfield on his own anymore. Fair dues, Herrera can sweep up quite a bit on his own, but if he's still forced to do that then I don't really see the point in getting Matic since he's certainly no game changer in an attacking sense.
 
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