Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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Hopefully if this is true, then we still go for and sign Fabinho. Getting both really wouldn't be overkill. If you look at our midfield options, we have:
Pogba, Herrera, a close to retirement Carrick, Fellaini who is mainly there for height...about it. So if we buy 1 of Matic/Fabinho, then our midfield 3 is Fabinho, pogba and herrera with only really fellaini as cover. Getting both would mean Fabinho can rotate between right back and midfield, while we have Matic/fabinho and pogba sometimes in a 2, sometimes in a 3 with herrera, or sometimes both matic and fabinho in a double pivot and pogba as a 10.
Pogba, herrera, matic, fabinho, fellaini, pereira as a youngster is actually a nice group of midfielders so I'm hoping we get both.
40m for each of them, 30m for lindelof, 60-70m for Morata would bring us to 180m or so. Obviously a lot, but we can afford it I'm sure with all the openings with our wages we can still bring in one more attacking player to finish up our summer.
 
I feel like Jose is going for him because he is at a mature age, worked with him previously and wants to win the league this year simple as that. Matic has a similiar stature to Pogba but is more disciplined and can do well with Herrera, I think Mou will want Pogba to play the CAM role Lampard did for him with Mkhi on the right.

Matic is way more fluid than Fellaini and better passer, has probably the same strength as I have seen him tussle with Fellaini before equally and dominate Yaya Toure in his prime a couple years back.

I was kind of against this transfer thinking there better younger alternatives but late 20s is not a problem in todays football, players are fitter and he can comfortably play a solid 4 years here, plus we really need to challenge for the league this year.
 
Is it possible that we're trying to get Fabinho for £40 mil and this price put on Matic's head by the tabloids is a bargaining tactic? I pray it is..
 
Hopefully signing the Eastern Bloc Fellaini will be the end of actual Fellaini.

I'm joking (partly) but I'm surprised to see the anger about the fee. This is the world we're in now.
 
lysglimt said:
Surely Mourinho has a fascination (or fetish) for names beginning with M (Mourinho). In fact every player must have at least one name starting with M - (his dreamplayer is Michael Mancienne)

So he will probably play the following team: Marcos Rojo, Fosu-Mensah, Matteo Darmian, Michael Carrick, Marouane Fellaini, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Morata, Martial, Marcus Rashford

Which means - if de Gea leaves - Mourinho will try to sign Manuel Neuer or Marc Andre Ter Stegen
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Incredible :eek:
 
Summit said:
The only one he didn't sign out of the list was Veron. :lol:
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Bouladrouz & Kezma were Mourinho's signings. That's it.

Mourinho wanted Shevchenko? Mourinho wanted Torres (Torres was signed under Ancelotti btw)?

Majority were pretty much Chelsea board's signings. People seem can't distinguish from a model based on manager like ours & a model where the board has quite power say which head coaches have to compromise. It's ironic that people would love to throw anything at the coach even though at times, the coach has no full say.
 
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Excellent signing. He has the exact mentality united needs to be champions. Players that do not crumble under pression and are not afraid to give all.
 
lysglimt said:
Surely Mourinho has a fascination (or fetish) for names beginning with M (Mourinho). In fact every player must have at least one name starting with M - (his dreamplayer is Michael Mancienne)

So he will probably play the following team: Marcos Rojo, Fosu-Mensah, Matteo Darmian, Michael Carrick, Marouane Fellaini, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Morata, Martial, Marcus Rashford

Which means - if de Gea leaves - Mourinho will try to sign Manuel Neuer or Marc Andre Ter Stegen
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In that case, bring on Mbappe.
 
broccoli said:
Excellent signing. He has the exact mentality José needs to be a champions. Players that do not crumble under pression and are not afraid to give all.
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Good observation. Not a hollywood signing to assuage the transfer connoisseurs, but definitely a Jose type player who can do a job for him.
 
Raoul said:
In before the comparisons.....

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He was not as good as he was 2 seasons ago, but he's vital for Chelsea last season. He can pass well to compensate for Kante while still offering enough in defensive duty than Fabregas. As I stated in a post somewhere, Chelsea's best form (the winning streak) coincided with Matic showed his best form of this past season. Once his form became less consistent, Chelsea also became less formidable defensively despite Kante still stayed consistent for most part.

Not saying I am super happy with this signing as he's not my favorite defensive midfielder to have. Just understand that this type of signing needs to be done rather than wild goose chase. In case this is really happening, I'll wait for official fee to be announced than believing the papers.
 
Can somebody enlighten me,whats the point in having scouts all around the world if we are going to buy manager former washed up players.
 
I think he's good surrounded with mobile players like Hazard, Kante and Moses. In our team he may only cause us to become more static. But I respect Jose, and if this is what he wantsmthen I'm on board.
 
MAME DIOUF 32 said:
Hopefully signing the Eastern Bloc Fellaini will be the end of actual Fellaini.

I'm joking (partly) but I'm surprised to see the anger about the fee. This is the world we're in now.
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That would be about the only reason I wouldnt mind us signing him if rumours are true, if it was a Fellaini replacement. He is hardly a bad player. Strong and does a lot of the dirty work. Not a glamour signing in terms of name or ability, certainly wouldnt be my choice but he would bring some stability and certainly be a vast improvement on Fellaini.....but that doesnt mean much.....sod it actually NO I dont want him
 
ti vu said:
Bouladrouz & Kezma were Mourinho's signings. That's it.

Mourinho wanted Shevchenko? Mourinho wanted Torres (Torres was signed under Ancelotti btw)?

Majority were pretty much Chelsea board's signings. People seem can't distinguish from a model based on manager like ours & a model where the board has quite power say which head coaches have to compromise. It's ironic that people would love to throw
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Yeah but, that is the thing Mourinho has not really been in complete control of the transfers in any of his previous stops.
 
So english low tier journo's pushing Matic and saying no interest in fabinho.

Bouhafsi and Di Marzio both confirm ongoing talks for Fabinho and Di Marzio claims we've bid

No update at all from Simon stone on Matic, but he still thinks no interest in fabinho.

I think we are either signing both, or the english media is being led down the "michael keane" dead end again.
 
no one finds it odd that all the rubbish journos are saying this is 100% done and medical in a few days, yet not a peep out of Simon Stone, someone whose confidently said we weren't after fabinho, a player all the rubbish journos say we don't want, yet europes best journos say we do want? :wenger::wenger::lol:
 
Why not just save the money and use it to add more money to sign a winger like Dembele.

If we sign Fabinho and Matic, that means we will have three players are playing for no 6 spot (Fabinho, Matic and Carrick). And not to mention we have Herrera who can also play in that role.
 
Raoul said:
Jackson has also published a piece on Matic.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-nemanja-matic-chelsea-transfer-jose-mourinho
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i don't consider Jackson as rubbish as luckhurst. However, he's nowhere near as reliable as Stone.

I'm talking about the weird skew in journo's talking about Matic and Fabinho.

Jackson, Luckhurst, Ogden = Matic is coming

Stone: No comment on Matic, even though it's supposed to be done this week, yet also confident that we aren't in for Fabinho.

Luckhurst adamant there is no fabinho interest.

Di Marzio and Bouhafsi = We are negotiating for Fabinho and we've made a bid

That leads me to think either we are after both, or the english media is being lied to like the Keane/lindelof rumours.
 
WPMUFC said:
i don't consider Jackson as rubbish as luckhurst. However, he's nowhere near as reliable as Stone.

I'm talking about the weird skew in journo's talking about Matic and Fabinho.

Jackson, Luckhurst, Ogden = Matic is coming

Stone: No comment on Matic, even though it's supposed to be done this week, yet also confident that we aren't in for Fabinho.

Luckhurst adamant there is no fabinho interest.

Di Marzio and Bouhafsi = We are negotiating for Fabinho and we've made a bid

That leads me to think either we are after both, or the english media is being lied to like the Keane/lindelof rumours.
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The reason all of this looks like conflicting info is because we are likely talking to multiple players and agents simultaneously and various journos are only getting bits of the story from certain contacts they have.
 
I'm only concerned with the price but I reckon he could be a very decent signing. Him and Herrera behind Pogba looks like a solid midfield to me
 
ti vu said:
Bouladrouz & Kezma were Mourinho's signings. That's it.

Mourinho wanted Shevchenko? Mourinho wanted Torres (Torres was signed under Ancelotti btw)?

Majority were pretty much Chelsea board's signings. People seem can't distinguish from a model based on manager like ours & a model where the board has quite power say which head coaches have to compromise. It's ironic that people would love to throw anything at the coach even though at times, the coach has no full say.
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Exactly that, Mourinho left Chelsea originally because of the transfer policy. Abramovic was signing players he didn't want..
 
Think he would be a great signing. Always loved watching him for Chelsea.
 
Raoul said:
The reason all of this looks like conflicting info is because we are likely talking to multiple players and agents simultaneously and various journos are only getting bits of the story from certain contacts they have.
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Exactly. Those panicking are the same posters who complain when we show interest in a player who plays in a position it isn't necessarily key to add reinforcements to, as if it's impossible to conduct multiple transfers at once.

We are simply leaving our options open, so if our top target falls through we aren't starting from square one when looking for an alternative. It's common sense.
 
Dobba said:
What would you say he'd be bringing to the midfield that Blind couldn't? Genuine question as I just don't see it.
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Blind was played in central midfield in his first season here and he was, at best, average. I'd be harsher than that and say he was decidedly poor.

There is a chance that it was more about him just trying to adjust to the English game and he'd do better in that position now, but going into the season I'd be much happier with Matic for that role than Blind. A player who was moved out of that role by the manager who bought him, and then not given a single chance in that spot by the current manager.
 
MadDogg said:
Blind was played in central midfield in his first season here and he was, at best, average. I'd be harsher than that and say he was decidedly poor.

There is a chance that it was more about him just trying to adjust to the English game and he'd do better in that position now, but going into the season I'd be much happier with Matic for that role than Blind. A player who was moved out of that role by the manager who bought him, and then not given a single chance in that spot by the current manager.
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He was average mostly away from home, and when we played 4 attacking midfielders in front of him (Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata) in a 4141. Before we started playing 4141 he was generally very good in that role. He is an excellent reader of the game, always intercepting passes, quite a good tackler and good 1 vs 1. However his pace and strength will always be a problem, or the lack of it I should say.

As a DM he adds a lot that can build to an elite modern team, he has got one of the best passing ranges in this club, very silky and elegant on the ball, good cross, excellent ling pass, has vision, can skip stages in midfield due to his secure passing forwards and he keeps it ticking.

In that 1st season however, I think it went left a bit when we started playing 4141, that was just to much too ask from a new player in a new league and Carrick was still excellent back then, our most important player after de Gea. Never got a chance again.

Matic, Fabinho, Morata, Perisic, all tall quite physical players, I hope 1+1 isnt 2 because I think we are about to play some very physical stuff.
 
would rather we threw 40 million at chelsea for fabregas who will be starting on the bench more times than not for yet another season behind bakayoko and kante in the pecking order
 
minoo-utd said:
It means our first and second choices don't want us? This transfer window will not going down well.
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Really? If one of first choices is a dier is that a surprise
Sammyjunn said:
He was average mostly away from home, and when we played 4 attacking midfielders in front of him (Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata) in a 4141. Before we started playing 4141 he was generally very good in that role. He is an excellent reader of the game, always intercepting passes, quite a good tackler and good 1 vs 1. However his pace and strength will always be a problem, or the lack of it I should say.

As a DM he adds a lot that can build to an elite modern team, he has got one of the best passing ranges in this club, very silky and elegant on the ball, good cross, excellent ling pass, has vision, can skip stages in midfield due to his secure passing forwards and he keeps it ticking.

In that 1st season however, I think it went left a bit when we started playing 4141, that was just to much too ask from a new player in a new league and Carrick was still excellent back then, our most important player after de Gea. Never got a chance again.

Matic, Fabinho, Morata, Perisic, all tall quite physical players, I hope 1+1 isnt 2 because I think we are about to play some very physical stuff.
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Don't think it's about playing physical stuff, as they are good technical players too. Think it's about having both options in the locker, the technical as well as the physical and being able to cope with both approaches or change ours when needed.
 
crazylegz said:
would rather we threw 40 million at chelsea for fabregas who will be starting on the bench more times than not for yet another season behind bakayoko and kante in the pecking order
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But Fabregas doesn't really solve anything that we have an issue with.
That would be £40m unnecessarily spent.
 
RDCR07 said:
Yes it is. It is expensive for a 29 year old who has already peaked. It is not expensive for a young player with potential to improve and for someone who hasnt peaked yet.
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Depends on the 'peak'. If he has peaked previously and is already on the downhill slide, yeah I'd agree with you. However if they are still at their peak then no it isn't.

So in this case it depends on whether Mourinho feels he can get the Matic of a couple of seasons ago. If we get that Matic, 40m will end up looking cheap. Of course the issue is that he hasn't been that good in the last two seasons, so there is the risk that we won't get that player. But that is where it comes back on Mourinho - he has to make the call as to whether it's worth it.
 
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