Nah, it will be fine.
Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed
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Nah, it will be fine.
I'm cautiously optimistic about this signing. Previously I'd have been against it but there's been so many muppet type signings (Di Maria, Falcao, Schneiderlin, Depay, Schweinsteiger) that have turned out a disaster that I'm learning to just go with it and not jump to any conclusions from here on forth whenever we sign a player.
Obviously I can understand the appeal of Fabinho (still think there's a decent chance we sign him) but I don't think its insane to think Mourinho might prefer Matic.
He's already worked with him so he knows he can trust him and they've had previous success together. He also knows he can come into the team and perform straight away in the premier league.
His age is another non-factor to me. Do we want our squad to be made up of 19-25 year olds? It'll be of benefit to the younger players to have some more experienced heads around them. We could easily lose Zlatan and Rooney for the upcoming season who are both two really experienced players. Bringing in someone like Matic who's been there and done it isn't a bad thing.
I'm not particularly excited by this signing but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate and understand what he could bring to the team. If Mourinho wants him then I'm happy. I'll continue to trust him until he gives me a reason not to.
Obviously I can understand the appeal of Fabinho (still think there's a decent chance we sign him) but I don't think its insane to think Mourinho might prefer Matic.
He's already worked with him so he knows he can trust him and they've had previous success together. He also knows he can come into the team and perform straight away in the premier league.
His age is another non-factor to me. Do we want our squad to be made up of 19-25 year olds? It'll be of benefit to the younger players to have some more experienced heads around them. We could easily lose Zlatan and Rooney for the upcoming season who are both two really experienced players. Bringing in someone like Matic who's been there and done it isn't a bad thing.
I'm not particularly excited by this signing but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate and understand what he could bring to the team. If Mourinho wants him then I'm happy. I'll continue to trust him until he gives me a reason not to.
Mourinho is not adventurous but will bring you the league with solidity after four years in the rough imho.
This forum is never happier than when saying someone is declining.
Obsessed!
I'm not actually sure it's true with Matic. His role has changed from 2 years ago to last year's version, and no Chelsea player came out well from the dreadful title defence year
Obsessed!
I'm not actually sure it's true with Matic. His role has changed from 2 years ago to last year's version, and no Chelsea player came out well from the dreadful title defence year
how old is bakayoko? 24/25? they'll get more than 4 good years out of him.
Personally though he started the season well, but Kante didn't and so their roles were switched a bit, to help Kante. Think Matic has a decent season. Don't really want him but I wouldn't cry about it as hes a good player.
Not really. Summer is considered successful or a failure by seeing players on the pitch, not by signing the players only.
Well obviously there's that part to it too, but I meant beforehand.
Underwhelming doesn't equate to bad. Everyone was in a frenzy when we signed Di Maria and Falcao and look how they turned out.
I'm not a fan of Matic, but I dont buy that he has declined. He was poor in 15/16 like all Chelsea-players, and he has not been at his best in a system not that well suited for him (with a partner more dominant and also not particular suited for him).
Wouldn't be my first choice but Matic is a very good player and will improve us big time so can understand and be happy with this signing.
Extremely limited player and right now he is a shadow of the 14/15 Matic.
Will still improve our midfield but I want us to go for Fabinho over him.
Will still improve our midfield but I want us to go for Fabinho over him.
Matic turns 29 2 weeks before Bakayoko turns 23.
For Jose, Fabinho is a much bigger risk. If he struggles (and let's be honest, that's a big possibility), we're back to a midfield three of Herrera, pogba and Fellaini. Although Fabinho may have a greater ceiling, mourinho knows exactly what's he's getting with Matic. There's much less risk that he won't displace Fellaini. Right now, that's what we probably need - we don't really have the luxury of taking a risk.
Well if dont have the luxury of taking a risk, then lets not buy anyone foreign player. Lets stick to the premier league cause only those players are "premier league proven".
I simply cannot believe that fee for a guy who's almost 30 years old, with no other suitors in sight. Seriously? That can't be right. Are you telling me the guys who run our club and make so much money, hasn't got a proper negotiator among them? Also, we're playing hardball on the fee for Perisic, but yet we're going to pay more for another old player and Chelsea cast off? Why are we giving in so easily here? I'd be surprised if this worked out.
I guess all his ass kissing of Mourinho through the media has worked it's charm
I also hope we're not planning on giving him a long contract at his age.
Going forward, United need to get a Director of Football and hire better scouts.
I guess all his ass kissing of Mourinho through the media has worked it's charm
I also hope we're not planning on giving him a long contract at his age.
Going forward, United need to get a Director of Football and hire better scouts.
I simply cannot believe that fee for a guy who's almost 30 years old, with no other suitors in sight. Seriously? That can't be right. Are you telling me the guys who run our club and make so much money, hasn't got a proper negotiator among them? Also, we're playing hardball on the fee for Perisic, but yet we're going to pay more for another old player and Chelsea cast off? Why are we giving in so easily here? I'd be surprised if this worked out.
I guess all his ass kissing of Mourinho through the media has worked it's charm
I also hope we're not planning on giving him a long contract at his age.
Going forward, United need to get a Director of Football and hire better scouts.
Do you want a team of 21 year olds who have no experience of a title run in and could potentially bottle it every year? You'd swear he's verging on chronic arthritis. Fair enough if we consistently sign players who are 30+ years of age but I just don't understand the hysteria with his age. You need a mix and we have plenty of young players. Signing a midfielder who is 28 going on 29 who has experiencing of playing and winning the premier league isn't a bad thing.
Forgetting age for a minute, I just find it hard to believe this is the best we could do for what we're willing to pay.
Of course you need a mixture of mature players and young ones BUT - not a semi declining old player who costs £40M - that's bad business.
The fact that Conte seems to be swapping him out for a box to box midfield probably tells you why he didn't do too well last year - simply isn't suited to the system with 3 CBs.
Obviously he was poor the year before like hazard and costa, terry etc etc
Was brilliant the previous year so hopefully that is what we are buying.
The 'decline' line isn't really based on anything. Rooney might be the only player I've really seen decline at 29
Obviously he was poor the year before like hazard and costa, terry etc etc
Was brilliant the previous year so hopefully that is what we are buying.
The 'decline' line isn't really based on anything. Rooney might be the only player I've really seen decline at 29
If we're really about to spend a large chunk of our summer budget on a lumbering Matic, clearly past his best and probably Chelsea's worst regular player last season, I'm not very optimistic for this season.
Indeed. We generally have a young team and are going to be losing two very experienced players in Zlatan and Rooney. The age thing that so many here see as a weakness might actually be a plus in Mourinho's eyes.
Money isn't an issue. It's whether or not the selling team want to sell to United combined with the player wanting to leave for United. Many times it will not go past initial inquires because the player or selling club want something else.
If your dream girl doesn't want you, it's best to move on.
Pep is going to sign a 35 years old RB but it's not a problem at all, however when we sign a 29 years old player then we're going for short term and the team will be ruined in 2-3 years. Interesting.
Aren't they signing Dani Alves on a free? I'd take Matic for free...
Yep signing for free and spending 40m is the exact same thing.
That's one way to look at it. Another would be to say he's been a regular starter in a midfield that's won 2 league titles in 3 years and Jose has worked with him before.
Dont get me wrong id prefer Fabinho, and Matic is almost 29 so time isn't on his side but he's a decent player, not at the level he was 2 years ago but he's decent.
They'll replace him with Bakayoko who's coming off a good season but the premier league is a different animal compared to France and midfield is a tough position to play in this league, it might not all but straight forward for Chelsea.
Is the problem in the fee now ? 35-40m is the ordinary price for any ordinary player in the current market. We signed Lindelof for 30m and he's considered cheap.
Because Lindelof has time on his side. Matic doesnt.
As if 40m isn't cheap in the current market actually.
Isn't it strange that the complains here about any player are always about the price or the age ?
So its not the age issue nor his quality,at end its the money? So money someone else willing to spend to get him,someone else demanding that someone spend money for him and at the end you end up calling Matic a shitc**t,turd etc? Gotcha ya.
I don't think it's an indictment on how next season is going to go, but it is an indictment on how we identify transfer targets. These types of deals just make me cringe because it appears that Jose isn't inspired by the options presented to him by our scouts and is willing to settle for getting gouged by Chelsea for someone he's familiar with. We've already fallen into this trap with the last 2 managers
So you consider Lindelof an expensive signing ?
30m is the least you can pay for any ordinary player now. Deal with it.
Again its cheap maybe for a player like Fabinho has the potential to develop into an even better player. Its different with Matic. He has already peaked and is declining. No improvement here.
Dafaq? When did I say Lindelof is expensive? Im very happy with that signing.
What was you expecting us to pay for him ? 15-20m ? This is just not gonna happen.
If we HAVE to spend 40m to get Matic, then we dont need him.
You said paying 30m for him is good because he has time to develop, so you consider this price high or not ? Don't get you.
Its not high.
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