He's not old. Plus I don't think its fair to say he's declining either. He's just had a good season being a consistent starter in the title winning team. Fair enough the season before that he was poor but the whole team wasn't performing then.
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He's not old. Plus I don't think its fair to say he's declining either. He's just had a good season being a consistent starter in the title winning team. Fair enough the season before that he was poor but the whole team wasn't performing then.
I do not follow City but, I would be against the Alves signing if I did.
Matic is exactly what we need IMO. I hope we add Fabinho to add to our midfield depth.
40m is not an expensive. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
You won't pay any less than 30m for any player. 40m is a very good price in the current market.
Yes it is. It is expensive for a 29 year old who has already peaked. It is not expensive for a young player with potential to improve and for someone who hasnt peaked yet.
We would have creamed ourselves over this signing a few years ago. That long period of midfield neglect seems a long time ago now!
It's not expensive neither for this nor that. It's a very good price in the current market.
Age is irrelevant and overestimated here.
If you're a team owner, would you spend 40m to bring Rooney to your team in the current market? According to you age is irrelevant right? He has already peaked also.
Lindelof is about 22, he could be worth double that within a year.
Matic might once have been worth £40million (arguably), but he isn't right now and from the moment we sign him his value is only going to decrease, no matter how well he plays.
It just feels like a very expensive stop gap. Plus, personally I prefer the signings like Bailly and Lindelof. Sure, you get a Depay every now and then, but it's always more entertaining to see a player 'emerge', as they say.
If we, for example, win the league next season and Matic was a part of that team, then he'll be worth every penny we paid for him even if he didn't give us any other season after that.
the though of a midfield with he and fellaini in is almost laughable in terms of lack of dynamism. I don't think I've seen the Utd fan base so unified in wanting a player than Fabinho, and the fans know the club better than anyone. We are literally crying out for a player of his ilk and I think it would be a travesty if we missed out on him, particularly for the limited and uninspiring matic.
So you're expecting Chelsea to sell him for 15m ? 35m is the least they're going to ask for him.
It seems many don't get the fact that the squad's already very young and there're only 3 players above 30 ( Carrick, Valencia and Rooney was the later maybe leaving ). Adding a 27-29 years old to such a young squad is hardly a stop-gap.
But he hasn't really had a good season is the thing. Ask just about any Chelsea fan who watched him week in and week out. He didn't have a catastrophic season as he did the year previously, but I certainly wouldn't call him good. I'd say thoroughly mediocre, showing no indication that he'll ever get back to being the force he once was.
I don't understand the papaers saying Matic is our alternative to Bakayoko.
They're very different.
They're very different.
We definitely need experienced players, 29 isn't old it's prime age for a footballer. Ok the fee might be steep but it doesn't matter as you are getting a premier league proven midfielder who is in his peak years for the next 2 or 3 years before the inevitable physical decline at 32-33.
Yep, alternative to Fabinho would make more sense.
The physical decline has already started with Matic.
I wish there was a system in which predictions of posters regarding signings would be noted and their credibility calculated on that basis over time. Everyone posting on here as if they know better than Mourinho is getting a bit tiring. I'm scared of replying to any post, because I'm not sure what kind of poster I might be starting a discussion with, or whether it's going to be a discussion at all.
Yep but after all of that, you're still left with a player who barely improves us having spent £40 million. Just seems a waste of money to me - I've read a lot of how he's been a part of Chelsea's title winning side etc but we need the Hazard's of their team - top drawer players that will improve our team massively, rather than more good squad players.
I've decided to not waste my time. The hate is so strong on here it completely dissolves any chance of a debate. Pointless. There's a main core of posters who you'd think had managed top clubs themselves by the way they speak on here.
No but if City were offered 35m for Dani Alves they surely wouldn't take it so your example is misleading
I just think its unfair to say he'll never reach the heights of his first season. Fair enough the season after that he was poor but the whole squad was. I mean I don't think its ridiculous to think that this season his form has been influenced by a new role and formation. He's been playing beside Kante who's gotten all the plaudits but how do we know he won't thrive in a role where he's the main defensive midfielder in a midfield 2/3? He certainly done that in his returning season alongside Cesc.
And just to clarify, I'm not saying he will indeed return to this form but I think it's knee-jerk and unjust to say he's old and over the hill. Footballers are complex and certain players thrive under certain conditions/formations/managers. I don't think it'd be the most surprising thing to see him return to the heights of his first season back with Chelsea.
There's no proof on your point either, though.
I meant 4 more years than we'd get out of matic
If you go down the 'Mourinho can't be questioned route' then you kind of render the whole forum pointless - also you can't possibly think that every decision he makes is right...just look at his last Chelsea season to see evidence that he is capable of making disastrous decisions.
So what happens if we sign him and still dont win the league?
I'm against the implementation of such a system, primarily because I would fare so badly in it - I was in favour of the Schneiderlin and Di Maria signings. Falcao too, I think.
Yeah, I thought the caf would be a safe haven from social media, but it's annoyingly similar to twitter in threads. Better approach is to follow posters you like and see their posts in the news feed.
In other words, limit your circle.
Pretty sure everyone was.
Then we still didn't break the bank for him because 35m is not expensive for me. If you think it's very expensive on him then it's up to you.
This summer is turning into a borefest. Mourinho sucking all the fun from muppetry.
The fact that you are admitting this should get you a gold star or something. A rare and welcome sight online in the post-truth era
Now, please give me your views on Matic. First of all, how likely is it to actually happen?
There was plenty of this "how dare you question the manager" nonsense when Van Gaal was here. And it only completely subsided after the Wolfsburg loss.
Both Matic and Perisic performance threads are going to be really funny this season, if they come.
I've seen your 'appeal to authority nonsense' posts a couple of times on here.
You know what? Good for you, I'm happy that you take the moral high ground in thinking that your decision/view is better than anyone elses, I really am.
But from where I stand, I'm here to support my club, and while Matic is not my first choice, it may be well what we get. Acting like spoilt children and chucking the toys out the pram has been the theme of today - what's that going to achieve? I take the stand where I will swallow my pride, and admit that Mourinho is far more in the know than me. He knows what he needs, he's a very tactically astute manager, he's worked with this guy before, knows his personality, knows his strengths/weaknesses and I trust him to get the best out of him.
I just don't get why taking the stance that Mourinho knows what he is doing is a position of weakness/should be ridiculed.
Can't beat statistics as you proved today with 10 or so posts with, well, statistics.
Really surprised by the reaction to this on here! When we signed rvp he was 29 and he was well worth what we played for him. There aren't many footballers around now who are in the shape of Rooney where the physical decline hits at 29-30 because they look at themselves, if Matic is the same he's got plenty of life left in him and is very experienced.
Really surprised by the reaction to this on here! When we signed rvp he was 29 and he was well worth what we played for him. There aren't many footballers around now who are in the shape of Rooney where the physical decline hits at 29-30 because they look at themselves, if Matic is the same he's got plenty of life left in him and is very experienced.
The fact that you are admitting this should get you a gold star or something. A rare and welcome sight online in the post-truth era
Now, please give me your views on Matic. First of all, how likely is it to actually happen?
I'd say it's very likely to happen and that he will be a mediocre success (something akin to Young/Fellaini where the majority of posters find it difficult to get too exited about the player, while at the same time acknowledging that he's a solid option to have around).Given my track record, that probably means he'll be a massive hit and we'll all be sporting Matic shirts by Christmas.
Hopefully there's no truth in this story and tbh £40m for Matic, it has to be made up.
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