Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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Strange that so many people are luke warm on Matic. He's positionally sound, he'd give some steel and strength to centre mid, his age's not that important as his main traits won't exactly take a nosedive just because he's the wrong side of 30.

I'd be very happy if this signing goes through.
 
Eriku said:
Strange that so many people are luke warm on Matic. He's positionally sound, he'd give some steel and strength to centre mid, his age's not that important as his main traits won't exactly take a nosedive just because he's the wrong side of 30.

I'd be very happy if this signing goes through.
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I agree.
 
Eriku said:
Strange that so many people are luke warm on Matic. He's positionally sound, he'd give some steel and strength to centre mid, his age's not that important as his main traits won't exactly take a nosedive just because he's the wrong side of 30.

I'd be very happy if this signing goes through.
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And also because his form's already fallen off a cliff this side of 30.
 
Eriku said:
Strange that so many people are luke warm on Matic. He's positionally sound, he'd give some steel and strength to centre mid, his age's not that important as his main traits won't exactly take a nosedive just because he's the wrong side of 30.

I'd be very happy if this signing goes through.
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He is already showing signs of decline.
 
I know it's early in the window yet but Matic signing just makes this seem like a really underwealming window thus far .. Kante carried the Chelsea midfield on his back last year while Matic went through his second poor season in a row

Note sure about anyone else but a guy who had had one good season out of the doesn't get me very excited


Add to Lindelof who could be anything and it's all very meh so far
 
Eriku said:
Strange that so many people are luke warm on Matic. He's positionally sound, he'd give some steel and strength to centre mid, his age's not that important as his main traits won't exactly take a nosedive just because he's the wrong side of 30.

I'd be very happy if this signing goes through.
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Exactly. People moaning about his price but it's not like we're a selling club who need to make a profit when he eventually leaves. He's proven in the PL. We should be getting a player in his prime here. I think we've missed this type of player badly and, if he performs to his best, I don't really care about the price tag.
 
Probably mentioned a few times, haven't been reading this thread as this transfer doesn't excite me that much but atleast we can sing Vidic's old song again. Nemanja Woahh
 
The Ed Maylon and Matt Law articles scream of Chelsea briefs.

Mentioning how it's a brilliant deal for Chelsea, a few Mourinho digs. But so long as Jose gets his man
 
I like Matic, but there's too much wrong with this transfer:

- He's almost 30, and has shown signs of declining.
- Chelsea, who comfortably won the league, see him as the weak link in midfield and are upgrading whereas we're gonna fund their new guy by buying the guy they deem to be their weak link.
- He's already downed tools/let down Jose once just a year or so ago.

I just can't get excited about this signing, he's a good player but not amazing and therefore I don't see us going up a level.
 
Son Of Sam said:
The same guy brought in Ronaldo, Rooney, Vidic, Evra, etc. His era at the helm brought us the most titles in spite of the Glazer takeover he was saddled with. It seems your memory bank has been defrauded.
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Ferguson bought those players, not David fecking Gill. In the same vein that Mourinho is the one buying Matic, or Lindelof, or Bailly, not Ed Woodward.

Get a grip.

I know children with more perspective.
 
kevin atkinson said:
The only way this makes sense is if we are buying some hard core attackers and Perisic is a ruse. Sanchez and Kane for example. This team will compete with anyone.

--------------------De Gea-----------------------
Val-------Bailly-------Lindelof------Darmian
-----------------Matic--------------
-----------Herrera------Pogba
Mhiki---------kane-----Sanchez
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Or...

----------------------DDG-----------------------
------Bailly---Smalling--lindelof-------
--------------------Matic------------------------
Valencia---hererra--Pogba---Perisic
-------------Morata----Rashford----------
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The Ed Maylon and Matt Law articles scream of Chelsea briefs.

Mentioning how it's a brilliant deal for Chelsea, a few Mourinho digs. But so long as Jose gets his man
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Yeah apparently they are not too bothered about losing Matic despite them trying to extend his contract for the last 18 months.

I guess Bakayoko is going to be hyped up to the max now in the same way Renato Sanches was last summer when we were 'snubbed' for Bayern.
 
Jazz said:
Why do people keep saying is it your money? What's that got to do with anything? It's my club and I don't want us to waste money on older players. I'm not greatly opposed to Matic, but only for a reasonable amount of money where we won't lose too much. He's getting to almost 29/30 years old - no one knows for sure how well a high level sports person's body will react at that age. It's therefore stupid from a business point of view to spend huge sums on a player that's not even that impressive.

Do you really believe he'll improve us to such an extent that we can beat Chelsea or City to the title? I don't imho.
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Obviously we disagree but that's a reasoned response. They are rare on a forum so I appreciate that.

People say that when it sounds like people complain as if it is their money. I am, very, very generally, not fussed about how much we spend on players. For these mid-range players it makes very little difference to a club of our size and wealth if we have to overpay by £10m/£15m say. It's the United mark up and in most cases getting the player is more important.

When you put your concerns about buying him because of spending big on a player of his age, to me, that makes more sense than the the resale value argument. Totally valid argument and I wouldn't disagree with you.

Do I believe he can help us win the league? I look at it more like 1) what did we lack last year? 2) will he help get the best out of Pogba and the rest of the team?
In my view 1) a defensive midfielder 2) yes, making matic a possible solution to one of our big problems. Therefore he makes us better than last year and more likely to challenge City/Chelsea than last year. Is he the best? IMO, no. But if he's what Mourinho wants, what can we do about it? Some managers like Moyes and Van Gaal I couldn't get behind what they were doing because I disliked them but Mourinho I can and if Matic is who he wants then I'll support that.
 
Dracula said:
Or...

----------------------DDG-----------------------
------Bailly---Smalling--lindelof-------
--------------------Matic------------------------
Valencia---hererra--Pogba---Perisic
-------------Morata----Rashford----------
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We're not going to play 2-5-2. I don't understand why people think Jose will use a formation he never used before during his career.
 
There's no way this guy is our first choice. I really feel something has gone wrong in terms of securing our targets so far this summer, all this "trust in Jose" nonsense is starting to grate. I'm certain Matic is a fallback option. He's not bad but it rubs me the wrong way to pick up a Chelsea reject. They've been stealing transfer targets from under our nose for the past 10+ years and we end up getting their cast-offs. That's not a slight on Mata, who is a quality player, but Chelsea are dictating the terms here and have power over us in the transfer market. If we're getting Matic it's because Chelsea don't want him and they're signing someone better. It doesn't sit right with me.
 
El Zoido said:
There's no way this guy is our first choice. I really feel something has gone wrong in terms of securing our targets so far this summer, all this "trust in Jose" nonsense is starting to grate. I'm certain Matic is a fallback option. He's not bad but it rubs me the wrong way to pick up a Chelsea reject. They've been stealing transfer targets from under our nose for the past 10+ years and we end up getting their cast-offs. That's not a slight on Mata, who is a quality player, but Chelsea are dictating the terms here and have power over us in the transfer market. If we're getting Matic it's because Chelsea don't want him and they're signing someone better. It doesn't sit right with me.
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Ok. So if he's not first choice, what would you rather? We didn't buy anyone or Mourinho had done sufficient planning to have backup options ensuring we didn't go into the season understocked? Surely there's only one option. If we could get his first choices, he'd get them. If he can't there will be reasons.
 
pocco said:
Stuart Mathiesen of MEN reporting this too, as are the Daily Mail. Daily mail said it won't go through till the end of the week as our club doctor is on holiday till Thursday.
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I laugh at the sheer oddness of nothing happening while our (1?) club doctor is on holiday. Can just see Messi being available if we complete the whole deal including medical right now as Barcelona need money in the next 3 hours and we turn it down because we cant complete a medical because the doctor is on holiday. :lol::lol::lol:

Makes sense but so bizarre to see.
 
Eriku said:
Strange that so many people are luke warm on Matic. He's positionally sound, he'd give some steel and strength to centre mid, his age's not that important as his main traits won't exactly take a nosedive just because he's the wrong side of 30.

I'd be very happy if this signing goes through.
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agree, but for the quoted £40m it's a lot seeing as that's what Bakayoko is arguably going for and they'll get a good 4 more years out of him. But at going rates, what's £40m right.
 
This will be Mourinho's Fellaini signing, as Moyes they both failed in getting their priority signings.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The Ed Maylon and Matt Law articles scream of Chelsea briefs.

Mentioning how it's a brilliant deal for Chelsea, a few Mourinho digs. But so long as Jose gets his man
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Malyon is a Palace fan and Law a Villa fan. Not sure they'd take pleasure in seeing United get stiffed here. Not like they're giddy Chelsea fans who'd be happy to see it happen.
 
El Zoido said:
There's no way this guy is our first choice. I really feel something has gone wrong in terms of securing our targets so far this summer, all this "trust in Jose" nonsense is starting to grate. I'm certain Matic is a fallback option. He's not bad but it rubs me the wrong way to pick up a Chelsea reject. They've been stealing transfer targets from under our nose for the past 10+ years and we end up getting their cast-offs. That's not a slight on Mata, who is a quality player, but Chelsea are dictating the terms here and have power over us in the transfer market. If we're getting Matic it's because Chelsea don't want him and they're signing someone better. It doesn't sit right with me.
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I'm not entirely sure, myself. Isn't it a bit early to be turning to fall-back options? It's not as though there's been a lot of movement in the market and we're missing out on a number of obvious targets.

My main concern is if Matic has declined significantly in the last year or two, is Jose fully aware of it? Wasn't he still very keen on Rooney after he begun his obvious slide.

You'd think we would be fully aware of Matic's current condition but no manager is infallible in the transfer market. Maybe Jose is being slightly blinded by the previous peak Matic and hoping for the best.
 
pocco said:
Stuart Mathiesen of MEN reporting this too, as are the Daily Mail. Daily mail said it won't go through till the end of the week as our club doctor is on holiday till Thursday.
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I reckon he needs a holiday after looking after Phil jones all season
 
pocco said:
Stuart Mathiesen of MEN reporting this too, as are the Daily Mail. Daily mail said it won't go through till the end of the week as our club doctor is on holiday till Thursday.
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:lol:

I really hope that's bollocks. A billionaire football club unable to complete a signing on time because one guy is on holiday! Surely they have other doctors able to come in for the day?!
 
Nate Dogg said:
This will be Mourinho's Fellaini signing, as Moyes they both failed in getting their priority signings.
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I really don't understand this logic. The only comparable thing is that they both got bought by a manager who managed them before.

Fellaini was bought from Everton, with no merits to his name. Matic is a two time champion from Chelsea. They play at two very different roles in the team. Matic is bought to play a specific role, where we lack options. Moyes didn't even know where to play Fella when he first got here. He often played as a 10 at Everton, he has played all over the place under Moyes and LVG.

If we buy Matic, which is not a certainty yet. He would be vital for us. I can't fathom the criticism of this but. What are the alternatives? Matic is proven in our league, two time champion, plays a very specific role (which he also has done before under Mou), will give much needed balance to our midfield, will give our best player more freedom going forward and if the media is correct really want to play for our club.

I can get that it's not a very exciting signing. But not every exciting signing has worked out for us lately (Di Maria, Depay, Morgan, Bastian etc). And for all the criticism of Fellaini he has done a hell of a lot more for us than all the players mentioned above.

I am going to trust Mous judgement on this one. Dier and Fabinho also is good options, but if Matic is the guy we are bringing in I see the logic and rationale of his role in the team. That being said we don't have many options in midfield, so I also hope we will bring in Fabinho.
 
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Eriku said:
Strange that so many people are luke warm on Matic. He's positionally sound, he'd give some steel and strength to centre mid, his age's not that important as his main traits won't exactly take a nosedive just because he's the wrong side of 30.

I'd be very happy if this signing goes through.
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Very happy is to take it a bit too far, it is not like we are signing Alexis or Griezmann, two players who would really make a difference in the final third of the pitch.

It is a decent signing for us, he is an upgrade on Fellaini and Mou knows him inside out. Now let's sort out our attacking woes.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's nearly 29. What on earth is Mourinho doing?!
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I am still comfortable with Mourinho making the choices but if this is his choice then I am worried. 40 mil on a player whose form has deteriorated the last two years make no sense to me. Will be interesting to see how we improve next season. Matic is pretty lumbering as well. I am worried our summer will be as bad as it was great last year.
 
If we're being optimistic, could we ascribe some of Matic's decline to a) playing in a system that doesn't suit him this season and b) playing in a Chelsea side entirely in meltdown the season before?
 
This is shaping up to be an extremely underwhelming summer by all accounts in terms of incoming transfers.
 
sullydnl said:
If we're being optimistic, could we ascribe some of Matic's decline to a) playing in a system that doesn't suit him this season and b) playing in a Chelsea side entirely in meltdown the season before?
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There's optimism and optimism? :D

Two seasons isn't a blip and if it came down to buying Matic for £40m or no-one (at Def Mid), I think I'd go for no-one.

They've got Kante, they want to dump Matic, he's declined from 2-3 seasons ago, £40m and he's 30 next August.

Can't see any positives in this (alleged) buy :(
 
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