Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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PeteManic said:
Mou loves his 6 foot plus players.

Out of interest who was the last under 6 foot player Mou singed for any of his teams...?

Was Miki a Mou pick or was his transfer already in place? I'm guessing he wasn't Mou's choice by the way he treated him early in the season.
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I would assume they were all Mourinho picks last summer - he was adamant about his four target areas.
 
Son Of Sam said:
I am yet to see that this summer.
This is not what I was expecting when I was egging the team on to batter Ajax to a pulp. I expected world class players not PL "has-beens" like Matic.

I do not see how Matic improves our midfield asides having an extra body in there. The purpose of hocking off Schneiderlin to Everton becomes defeated if this deal goes through.
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Ed won't bring players from his mind because this is not how the club being run. He's bringing what Jose asked him to bring, and selling what Jose told to sell. He did the same under LVG, too. We're not like Chelsea who bring what Roman wants. Our transfers are manager-based.
 
Matic had 30 PL starts and 8 league assist last year...he and or Kante kept out Fabregas for the majority of the season. He's played in a variety of formations and is obviously tactically flexible and smart. Also he is trusted by Jose.

He would be a very good signing. Proven winner with Chelsea and Jose.

And what a player makes at United compared to another club is irrelevant the fact that United's wage structure is much higher and healthier.
 
Mainoldo said:
To which you Said it allows Pogba and Herrara to be more attacking. So what's your problem with Matic seeing as he allows the same.
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There is the question of value. When you can get a 23 year old who is very similar to Matic for around the same price and who is more versatile than Matic, then for sure you go for Fabinho.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Matic had 30 PL starts and 8 league assist last year...he and or Kante kept out Fabregas for the majority of the season. He's played in a variety of formations and is obviously tactically flexible and smart. Also he is trusted by Jose.

He would be a very good signing. Proven winner with Chelsea and Jose.

And what a player makes at United compared to another club is irrelevant the fact that United's wage structure is much higher and healthier.
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And yet his replacement will be the first player they sign, and their fans aren't bothered about him going to a rival. Hardly screams a glowing endorsement.
 
Son Of Sam said:
By that logic, we should sign O'Shea again. He's a proven title winner....O'Shea has won every title available.
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O'Shea was a squad player while Matic is a regular starter for Chelsea. Won the league twice in 3 years.
 
He's not one to get pulses racing but he'll make a huge difference to our midfield if we get him. You wouldn't think we're talking about a DM who's won two of the past three Premier League titles.
 
NinjaFletch said:
And yet his replacement will be the first player they sign, and their fans aren't bothered about him going to a rival. Hardly screams a glowing endorsement.
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Because our squad is far more unsettled than Chelsea's. And feck what the Pensioners think. United need a player of this caliber for the League and Champions League. United are adding to their quality and quantity. Chelsea need another center midfielder to compensate for champions league and Bayakoko or whatever his name isn't going to carry Chelsea through two competitions with just Fabregas and Kante...unless they plan on adding another CM from within or a transfer.
 
The red panther said:
-Aubameyang is just not a great fit for how Mourinho's teams play football. Square peg, round hole kinda situation.
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This is hogwash!
Every professional footballer can play how the manager wants. The same Mourinho that is dying to get Chicharito back will find it difficult to work with Aubameyang? How do football fans come up with this theory that so so player is not a great fit for how a manager plays? It's laughable!

-Lacazette and Timo Werner are lesser quality than Morata
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They are equally as gifted, if not better than Morata. Majority of Morata's goals were against teams Zidane didn't consider good enough for his first team.

Also Keita has a pricetag off £40m so forget that bullshit about signing him up for half of that.

That however does not mean I find Matic a good signing, but the examples you are using make literally no sense at all.
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All the players I listed are a good upgrade on what we currently have at the moment. Aubameyang/Lacazette are perfect fit for the PL, Morata casts doubt if he can cope with the physical side of the PL.

Keita is miles better than Matic. If my examples don't make sense to you then you probably don't understand football. If United want to return to glory, they need top players to fill the vacuum left by the squad of 2007-2009 era.
 
El-Manos said:
I wish that was the case but that won't happen. Fellaini and his 'unique' set of traits will convince Mourinho enough to keep him. I can't see us signing two midfielders (Matic, Fabinho) and then go on to sign two more attackers in (Perisic and Morata). We will most likely end up with

Lindelöf, Morata, Perisic, Matic.

--------------------------De Gea-----------------------
Val-------Bailly-------Lindelof------Darmian
-----------------Matic--------------
-----------Herrera------Pogba
Mhiki----------Morata------Perisic


That's pretty shite looking in all honesty. I know it's not all about Galacitco signings, or what a team looks like on paper but feck me, that is pretty poor.
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I think that is a good team if we were playing away from home in the CL or playing one of the better teams in the PL.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's nearly 29. What on earth is Mourinho doing?!
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He's signing a player that will help get the best out of Pogba.

Matic is no world beater, he'll be expensive and yes, he's 29, but we have a player in Pogba who is going to need a player like Matic to let him play.

Or y'know. We could stick Fellaini there and see what happens.
 
Can't get excited about this at all, Matic WAS good but he's been gash for ages now and as for the price? £40 million is a complete joke.

Especially considering Fabinho whose younger and a much better footballer would only cost a shade more.
 
Wan said:
O'Shea was a squad player while Matic is a regular starter for Chelsea. Won the league twice in 3 years.
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This cannot be more inaccurate!

O'Shea made more Man Utd appearances in United's title winning seasons than Matic did for Chelsea's.
 
El-Manos said:
I wish that was the case but that won't happen. Fellaini and his 'unique' set of traits will convince Mourinho enough to keep him. I can't see us signing two midfielders (Matic, Fabinho) and then go on to sign two more attackers in (Perisic and Morata). We will most likely end up with

Lindelöf, Morata, Perisic, Matic.

--------------------------De Gea-----------------------
Val-------Bailly-------Lindelof------Darmian
-----------------Matic--------------
-----------Herrera------Pogba
Mhiki----------Morata------Perisic


That's pretty shite looking in all honesty. I know it's not all about Galacitco signings, or what a team looks like on paper but feck me, that is pretty poor.
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Devil may care said:
I can't see us doing anything as in depth as that to be honest, plus we'd still be stuck with a useless lump we paid £40M who'll be 30 with no takers, I also don't see Fabinho being willing to come in as squad cover in a world cup season. The other aspect is that Jose loves him some Fellaini, that can't be underestimated.
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Even if we keep Fellaini and we still regard Carrick as a player we're still short of midfielders especially if Fabinho is played as RB. Also note that most of those 30m will be recouped by selling Darmian to Juventus (around 20m)

GK: DDG, Romero
RB: Valencia, Fabinho
LB: Shaw, Blind
DC: Lindelof, Smalling, Rojo, Bailly and Jones (who doesn't count since he's always injured)

DM: Matic, Carrick
B2B:Herrera, Failini
AMC: Pogba, Mata

AMR: Mkhitayan, Lingard
AML: Martial, Perisic

STK: Morata, Rashford
 
A brilliant analytical piece that insists Matic is a deep lying playmaker rather than a defensive midfielder as he is generally described.

http://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-the-evolution-of-nemanja-matic/

"Due to Matic defensive midfielder being flawed in nature, one would have to ask, what exactly is Matic best area? As highlighted throughout this article, Matic is a true unicorn of a player, a very hard complex player to pin down. Due to his history of being a No 10, I would consider Matic to be a deep lying playmaker of sorts, who despite his pace, can also play as a B2B. This was shown how even in the half season during the 13/14 season, Matic averaged more than 4 assists, a number which is not normally categorised for a defensive midfielder. This meant that Matic throughout the Mourinho era, was almost a B2B masquerading as a defensive midfielder, someone who Mourinho saw in a different light, as despite his creative ability, was more or less, a struggling destroyer who reaped the benefits of the frontal press.
During the 15/16 season, this almost struggle for Mourinho to see Matic as that player ultimately led to both Matic and Chelsea suffering the worst title defence in BPL history. Matic, a player who was categorised as the dominant defensive midfielder, was intensively struggling, even suffering in humiliation against a familiar foe in Saido Mane, where Mourinho subbed him off twice. It even became more damning when the form of Cesc Fabregas and the reappearance of John Obi Mikel led to the team performing once Guss Hiddink came into the fold, and Matic ultimately dropped. This was of a very important nature, it showed how a fully moulded defensive specialist in Mikel, someone who did not struggle with mobility or in 1v1 areas, was in fact succeeding. Also, it highlighted the mentality of both. Matic has a lot of quality, more so than Mikel, but Matic mentality as that form of a deep lying playmaker left him very vulnerable to turnovers, with Matic wanting to play more progressive passes than someone of Mikel ilk. This left Matic more indecisive on the ball during the season, never really knowing his role in the side. Thus, by the end of the season, Matic, along thought perineal TOTY candidate, seemed to be heading into another crossroads."

After reading this, I started thinking that the idea of getting both Matic and Fabinho actually makes sense.
 
It has been reported for a long time that Bakayoko was our first choice, so i tend to believe it. Bakayoko, Dier, Nainggolan and Matic in that order, so we are getting our 4th choice.

I think we keep interest in Fabinho, in the situation that Chelsea refuse to sell Matic he is our back-up plan. A bit like Lacazette, who we was rumoured close to not long ago. Keep interest, so that the player will think twice before making a move.
 
el3mel said:
More of the same. Chelsea signing Bakayoko so they're selling Matic, and how's Nainggolan a second choice for Dier considering they're very different ?

I thought Daker was the one who wrote this.
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To be fair the article says they'd prefer to keep Matic but he is stalling over a new deal. I don't think the 'Chelsea reject' tag is entirely fair, although I accept us paying £40m while they get what they would consider an upgrade doesn't look great.

GM K said:
A brilliant analytical piece that insists Matic is a deep lying playmaker rather than a defensive midfielder as he is generally described...
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I agree, he's much more of a Carrick than a destroyer. If he could slot into our midfield doing what Carrick did for us a few years ago that would suit me down to the ground, with maybe another addition (as you say Fabinho would be nice, though I don't see it somehow), providing a different option.
 
Why don't you save the whining and the tears until the transfer window closes.

Some of you guys sound like spoilt children. Nothing is certain yet, it's supposition and heresay.
 
On paper, Matic is what we need in our midfield. I'm a fan of his - but I'd be a bit miffed if we go for him over Fabinho.

Both gives Pogba the license to go all out attack.
 
It means our first and second choices don't want us? This transfer window will not going down well.
 
K2K said:
Someone mentioned the Lindelof v Keane saga in the Fabinho.

The more you think of it, this two are eerily similar.

The English journalists were so certain we were signing Keane.
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We'll see what happens. If we do sign Fabinho it will confirm the English Press are being given nothing from us.
 
RDCR07 said:
There is the question of value. When you can get a 23 year old who is very similar to Matic for around the same price and who is more versatile than Matic, then for sure you go for Fabinho.
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The age bit is on point.

But as for the versatility bit, Matic is far more versatile. He can play as a DM (he's actually not strong as a DM), a deep lying playmaker, a B2B player and a destroyer. A lot of people don't know that he actually started out as a playmaker at Benfica.
 
GM K said:
The age bit is on point.

But as for the versatility bit, Matic is far more versatile. He can play as a DM (he's actually not strong as a DM), a deep lying playmaker, a B2B player and a destroyer. A lot of people don't know that he actually started out as a playmaker at Benfica.
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Well Matic isnt going to be doing anything other than DM for us. We have better players to do the rest. And when I meant versatile I meant Fabinho can actually play two positions and not the variation of the same position.
 
Far too much noise in this to not happen now. Seems like all the papers have had a whiff of it and committed to us sealing the deal now.
 
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