I'am not saying Fellaini is good, I'am just saying Matic surely isn't better offensively. Defensively, it is another story.
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I'am not saying Fellaini is good, I'am just saying Matic surely isn't better offensively. Defensively, it is another story.
That's because he is usually played as no 10 while Matic is played as DM. Throughout his career in the EPL Roy Keane scored just 39 goals and had 33 assists. Only a mad man would consider Chest/elbow expert Fellaini better offensively then Roy Keane
https://www.premierleague.com/players/407/Roy-Keane/stats
As a target man , his passing is dud.
Not sure what to make of this transfer. I kind of agree with the principle that if Chelsea are selling to upgrade maybe we should consider the upgrade, but you could also argue they need that upgrade and might spend more for it and we don't. Or the 'upgrade' is more of a different option as they already have Kante to do much of what Matic would do.
£40m for what will be a 29 year old sounds a lot, i.e £10m a year till the end of being 33, which is generally considered the point at which you hit bonus world, rather than banking that as part of the investment.
Still in this financial climate who knows what is good value. And there are intangible values such as very recent Premiership winning experience, an inside view of Chelsea, etc. Some of these insights may be worth way more than £40m alone.
Winners in the dressing room is always a big plus.
Then there is the fact journalist's may not even have a clue and it's all nonsense anyway.
So as with all things football, all we really need to care about is what our squad is come the end of the summer.
Carrick has always been effective and not glamorous so why not have a job share and then take over who is more of the same!
£40m for what will be a 29 year old sounds a lot, i.e £10m a year till the end of being 33, which is generally considered the point at which you hit bonus world, rather than banking that as part of the investment.
Still in this financial climate who knows what is good value. And there are intangible values such as very recent Premiership winning experience, an inside view of Chelsea, etc. Some of these insights may be worth way more than £40m alone.
Winners in the dressing room is always a big plus.
Then there is the fact journalist's may not even have a clue and it's all nonsense anyway.
So as with all things football, all we really need to care about is what our squad is come the end of the summer.
Carrick has always been effective and not glamorous so why not have a job share and then take over who is more of the same!
Marginally more mobile than a 36 year old Carrick.
Do not want.
Do not want.
Wasn't Matic an AM for most of his career?
He was a DM-MC for most of his time at Chelsea. Fellaini was a no 10 at Everton
I don't particularly rate Dier, but I'd much prefer him over Matic.
We are being linked with some extremely underwhelming players this summer that look like good quality squad players rather than bonafide starters that will transform us.
We are being linked with some extremely underwhelming players this summer that look like good quality squad players rather than bonafide starters that will transform us.
Nemanja Matic - if we signed him he would make us better. He is better than what we already have, that is for certain. Carrick was great for a few games last season, but we are talking 10 games - not 35 - and he was obviously tired and showing his age at the end. The less we play Lingard and Fellaini, the better our results will be. However, like I have mentioned in the past, Matic is getting on and who knows how hungry he is? I am not saying he is old, but if we are going to fork out 50M I want a player for now and for the future like Fabinho.
Matic would be OK, but underwhelming - we need BETTER players to become a Champions League-team/winner. Thus far we have gotten Lindelof and perhaps Perisic will come in next, these are not even close to being of the highest quality. They are Newcastle-signings to be honest. Does not mean they are bad, but we seriously need quality to go up a few levels.
Matic would be OK, but underwhelming - we need BETTER players to become a Champions League-team/winner. Thus far we have gotten Lindelof and perhaps Perisic will come in next, these are not even close to being of the highest quality. They are Newcastle-signings to be honest. Does not mean they are bad, but we seriously need quality to go up a few levels.
What's the quoted price for this guy?
Tuesday?
He's a giant upgrade on what we have, I'd have him.
Out of position? The guy has played there for the most of his career, now he's out of position if he plays right-back? You people…
Two Chelsea fans in my office have been laughing their arses off at me this morning.
Both think he's average and think we are crazy to spend £40 million on him.
Both think he's average and think we are crazy to spend £40 million on him.
£40 million is the figure being reported (which is most likely journalistic bullshit).
Well tell them united fans make their perceptions on players based on their own judgements.
Pogba is great for attacking. Seems you haven't been watching us. Pogba would have 15 assists or more had Ibra and others decided to put away some of his final balls.
The best players for a team are not always the best players.
IF, and it's a big IF, Jose thinks Matic and Perisic will best execute his title winning plans, then Matic and Perisic might just be the best players to get. If Jose gets it wrong, then his reputation takes a hit and he'll probably end up getting fired someday.
IF, and it's a big IF, Jose thinks Matic and Perisic will best execute his title winning plans, then Matic and Perisic might just be the best players to get. If Jose gets it wrong, then his reputation takes a hit and he'll probably end up getting fired someday.
Maybe Mourinho wants to self destruct by signing these shit players this window.
So Chelsea get Bakayako for £35m & we pay £40mfor Matic....makes sense!
Matic will surprise a lot of people if he does sign. He's very good on the ball for someone who is 194cm in height. Has very good vision. A good pass on him. He reads the game well and is a very good tackler. Honestly, he will be a cracking player for us!
Price is obviously inflated if you want to buy from a PL rival, even though Matic would be surplus to requirements at Chelsea
I would take him but we still need Fabhinio. Having both Matic and Fabhinio would be very good for us.
Matic is a two time Premier League winner and a very good defensive midfielder, I don't understand why so many would be against us moving for him. It may not be an 'exotic' signing but we know he won't need to adjust to the Premier League, and he has been good enough to help Chelsea win the title twice. If Chelsea are open to selling I'm open to us buying.
If we have been the ones signing Bakayako, I can see this forum meltdown and moaning about him also. Basically it's just Fabinho or no one else for many here.
Matic is not an average player at all considering his career overall. He is really good. But the reality is that he had an average season (by his high standards) the last time and during Jose's last season at Chelsea. The question is can he get back to his best? If he does, then United would have hit a jackpot. If he does not, then it could be disastrous as the DM position might remain a problem area.
If Jose desperately wants him, then it means he's willing to bet on Matic getting back to his best under his management. That's risky but then, it's what makes football tick.
Signing him over Fabinho would be a mistake.
So chelsea will buy better player and give us their sub. Wtf? What are we stoke or wba?
Bakayoko is far better player then matic. So why don't go straight for bakayoko?
Bakayoko is far better player then matic. So why don't go straight for bakayoko?
Not sure. Many have convinced themselves Bakayoko is a defensive midfielder, ignoring the fact Fabinho is the anchor of the Monaco midfield with Bakayoko hunting the ball higher up the pitch.
I don't mind whether we sign Matic or Fabinho. They are both very good holding players. I find it odd that people are trying to pretend Matic is average though.
IMO
Chelsea play 3 at the back, so swapping a pure sitting midfield for a box to box midfielder in bakayoko makes sense
So - just because chelsea are 'swapping them' doesn't mean they play the same position.
Mourinho plays a back 4 so needs a more defensive option that Bakayoko, who simply hasn't been a holding mid this year (as matic is)
Chelsea play 3 at the back, so swapping a pure sitting midfield for a box to box midfielder in bakayoko makes sense
So - just because chelsea are 'swapping them' doesn't mean they play the same position.
Mourinho plays a back 4 so needs a more defensive option that Bakayoko, who simply hasn't been a holding mid this year (as matic is)
Not sure. Many have convinced themselves Bakayoko is a defensive midfielder, ignoring the fact Fabinho is the anchor of the Monaco midfield with Bakayoko hunting the ball higher up the pitch.
I don't mind whether we sign Matic or Fabinho. They are both very good holding players. I find it odd that people are trying to pretend Matic is average though.
Hmm do you mean Bakayoko is more like Kante-esque ? moving and pressing everywhere, not setting at the back ?
And yep I agree it's annoying, Matic after all was a key part in the team who won the league twice in 3 seasons. He's not the best in the world but he can't be THAT bad. He has been shite in Jose's last season but same goes for all Chelsea players even Hazard it's not a point to prove something.
I saw something about personal terms, but it was MEN via The Sun, so I ignored it.
Because Bakayoko is a different type of player to Matic, with the Matic type presumably being what Mourinho is looking for.
More or less. Bakayoko is not a defensive midfielder. Fabinho is Monaco's holding player. When Fabinho was out for the City games and Bakayoko was forced to play as the defensive midfielder you could see its not his natural game.
Telegraph is saying that the club has dismissed this.
Great stuff from the MEN as usual.
Phew! I wish this rumour would go away already, just get Fabinho signed.
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