Nemanja Matić

Ban said:
No. Matić.

But some want to get rid of Morgan too.
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It's not a surprise. Some want to get rid of Rojo, Fellaini, Depay, Darmian after a year at the club. Can't see how Schneiderlin is different - he had pretty bad season.
 
NK86 said:
Fergie has done that in the past. Players need to prove on the field. I think Mourinho does it to players who he expects can produce a lot more than they are showing.
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Yeah, and it seems Matic has nothing against Mourinho despite what happened. From the rumour mill, it's actually Matic that wants to work with Mourinho and not the other way around.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It's not a surprise. Some want to get rid of Rojo, Fellaini, Depay, Darmian after a year at the club. Can't see how Schneiderlin is different - he had pretty bad season.
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rojo - 2 , wiggy -3 them two are shit on a stick. depay looks uninterested but i'd keep him another season to see if jose can get something from him. same with darmian because he can play both fb positions.
 
mu77 said:
rojo - 2 , wiggy -3 them two are shit on a stick. depay looks uninterested but i'd keep him another season to see if jose can get something from him. same with darmian because he can play both fb positions.
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First two - agreed. Depay and Darmian I think we should keep - both offer versatility and would improve under Jose.

If we buy Matic Schneiderlin has to go(or be ok with spot on the bench). A midfield of Matic and Schneiderlin would mean zero creativity, especially with Rooney in front of them.
 
Bwuk said:
Matic is better than Schneiderlin.
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This is completely wrong.I am baffled at the overrating of Matic's abilities. Even if we exclude the concluded season Schneiderlin was still better than Matic in the 2014/15 season.
 
newgiz said:
This is completely wrong.I am baffled at the overrating of Matic's abilities. Even if we exclude the concluded season Schneiderlin was still better than Matic in the 2014/15 season.
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Being good with Chelsea and Southampton are two different things. Matic is obviously much better and was much better than Schneiderlin in 2014/2015. I'll take Matic all day over Schneiderlin.
 
If we are going for a physical beast who's defensively sound and if we don't trust Schneiderlin, then I'd definitely prefer Krychowiak. And for whatever fee we'd get Matic, we could probably get Kante instead.
 
The idea bringing any Chelsea players to United after what happened with Mourinho there strikes me as very odd. With maybe - MAYBE - the exception of Willian, who doesnt seem to be implicated in the way others, including Matic, were. I would rather Mourinho looked elsewhere to be honest.
 
Do not want. He's already shown an inability to maintain his form, and he's a fairly limited player.

I'd much rather we give Schneiderlin another season.
 
The fact Watford turned down £20M for Troy Deeney should show how unlikely doing business within the PL is this season, no way Chelsea would sell him for less than stupid money that he simply isn't worth.
 
newgiz said:
Stats prove otherwise.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...ttack_score/defence_score/possession_score#90
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Did you even read my post?
Mike09 said:
Being good with Chelsea and Southampton are two different things. Matic is obviously much better and was much better than Schneiderlin in 2014/2015. I'll take Matic all day over Schneiderlin.
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It's laughable comparison. One played for the winner of the competition and the other one play for mid table team level.
 
Devil may care said:
The fact Watford turned down £20M for Troy Deeney should show how unlikely doing business within the PL is this season, no way Chelsea would sell him for less than stupid money that he simply isn't worth.
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that is insane money.
we need to remember this when we're selling players. none of this 2 or 3m to Sunderland type clubs.
 
Mike09 said:
Did you even read my post?


It's laughable comparison. One played for the winner of the competition and the other one play for mid table team level.
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I am sorry but that's a silly argument, because by that logic we should only sign players who have been previous winners in competitions and not players from lower clubs. Had we done that, we would have ended up with Pedro instead of Martial.
 
Sandikan said:
that is insane money.
we need to remember this when we're selling players. none of this 2 or 3m to Sunderland type clubs.
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We sold players for cheap under Fergie, because he wanted the players to be able to pick the team they wanted to play, instead of selling them to highest bidder. And also, the players could negotiate higher salary because of clubs buying them for cheap. The noble side of Fergie/United.

As for Matic and Morgan, I think they have different strength, and would compliment each other (instead of one or the other). I do like Morgan more, and he was my dream signing, last summer. I think he's one of the players that will shine next season under Mou.
 
Sandikan said:
that is insane money.
we need to remember this when we're selling players. none of this 2 or 3m to Sunderland type clubs.
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Behold! Inflation!

The new TV deal is going to swell already bloated market values. It's going to be a while until we can get our minds around the new transfer fees. Even 5-7 years ago is going to seem quaint.

Unless a club is cash strapped or has no leverage, fees are going to shock us this summer. There're going to be a lot of "wow, too much" posts for every "about right" or "good value" post.

I have given up on amateur estimating. I am a long way from dialed in.
 
newgiz said:
I am sorry but that's a silly argument, because by that logic we should only sign players who have been previous winners in competitions and not players from lower clubs. Had we done that, we would have ended up with Pedro instead of Martial.
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I'm sorry but the logic isn't about who we should sign. The logic is about who was a better player. I rather have Pogba 19 years old than Fabregas but Fabregas was a better player when Pogba has yet to prove himself. Comparing Matic and Schneiderlin 2014/2015 is a laughable logic. You can't say Schneiderlin is better just because he has a better stats but you have to look at the level where he is playing. He hasn't prove himself to be able play well in a high expectation level of club while Matic in that season prove himself he is capable to play for top club. There is no logic to say Schneiderlin is better if he can't prove himself in a top level of club. Schneiderlin has only prove himself to play well at Southampton level but he failed to show the same performance at United. Matic was able to show what he can do in a top club like Chelsea.
 
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Mike09 said:
I'm sorry but the logic isn't about who we should sign. The logic is about who was a better player. I rather have Pogba 19 years old than Fabregas but Fabregas was a better player when Pogba has yet to prove himself. Comparing Matic and Schneiderlin 2014/2015 is a laughable logic. You can't say Schneiderlin is better just because he has a better stats but you have to look at the level where he is playing.
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Both are playing at the same level and playing against the same level of opponents in PL and Schneiderlin did it in a weaker team.And as I pointed out earlier as well, Matic had a very poor second half of 2014/15 as well.

He hasn't prove himself to be able play well in a high expectation level of club while Matic in that season prove himself he is capable to play for top club. There is no logic to say Schneiderlin is better if he can't prove himself in a top level of club. Schneiderlin has only prove himself to play well at Southampton level but he failed to show the same performance at United. Matic was able to show what he can do in a top club like Chelsea.
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We had LvfeckingG in charge. Shall we discard all the players who have under performed under LvG without a second thought then?
 
I just don't see the point especially considering the fee we'd have to pay.

I'm almost positive Mourinho will play 4231 with Rooney as his #10, which means we only need 2 midfielders. We just signed Carrick again and still have Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Herrera and possibly Blind and Fellaini.

If we're going to splash big on a midfielder I'd rather we bring in someone with the potential to be great or someone whose significantly better. Matic is turning 28 and isn't significantly better than what we already have. You can argue he's better than what he have, but I don't think anyone can argue he's 40 million pounds better.
 
newgiz said:
Both are playing at the same level and playing against the same level of opponents in PL and Schneiderlin did it in a weaker team.And as I pointed out earlier as well, Matic had a very poor second half of 2014/15 as well.



We had LvfeckingG in charge. Shall we discard all the players who have under performed under LvG without a second thought then?
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I'm done with you if you think playing at Southampton is basically playing at the same level as Chelsea in 2014/2015. Either you are on high right now or you just can't determine the level of these two clubs.

who said we need to discard our players? are you really on high right now? all i have been saying since the start of discussion that Matic was a better player in 2014/2015. both players had a poor season in 2015/2016 but i would rather have someone who had prove himself in a top club not mid table club. i never say in our discussion that we have to sell players because they had a poor season.
 
Jesus. Scneiderlin played beside Wanyama; Matic beside Fabregas.

If you can't see the difference in that, you should stop rating players. Cesc provides ZERO help to his midfield and looks like he's running in water.
 
newgiz said:
This is completely wrong.I am baffled at the overrating of Matic's abilities. Even if we exclude the concluded season Schneiderlin was still better than Matic in the 2014/15 season.
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That just my friend is false.In that season Matic was a rock especially after Fabregas form tailed off.
Matic is better than Schneiderlin in any sense of the game and if we are really talking about a player to play as a 6 he is twice the player fecking Schneiderlin is in that position and has proven he can play there for a big team.
As a box to box player,Schneiderlin is just not good enough to play for a club like united,his qualities are best suited to a team that are not proactive where his defensive qualities are put to use for 90 Minutes.
Bwuk said:
Matic is better than Schneiderlin.
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He shits on him all day.Is only on a united forum you find this debatable.
Ask neutral fans and the will tell you straight up matic is far better.Schneider fecking lein hasn't proven anything in the game.
 
Matic is the successor to Carrick in the DM if Mourinho signs him. Schneiderlin is a box to box midfielder who lacks proper concentration to play full time DM. If you watch the games you will see he often tunes out and ball watches while on defense instead of tracking the runner from midfield like a proper DM would. LVG just didn't understand the concept of playing players in their natural positions.

I don't think there is an argument here as they both should be playing different positions so who's better is meaningless. Matic is the better DM, and Schneiderlin the better box to box.
 
Footyislife said:
Matic is the successor to Carrick in the DM if Mourinho signs him. Schneiderlin is a box to box midfielder who lacks proper concentration to play full time DM. If you watch the games you will see he often tunes out and ball watches while on defense instead of tracking the runner from midfield like a proper DM would. LVG just didn't understand the concept of playing players in their natural positions.

I don't think there is an argument here as they both should be playing different positions so who's better is meaningless. Matic is the better DM, and Schneiderlin the better box to box.
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Yeah,just that schneiderlin attacking attribute and vision is not good enough to play box to box for a team challenging for the title or hoping to compete in the upper echelons of European football.
 
Maybe Matic could be a great addition, but for now it doesn't look exciting for me to see this midfield:

LW - ST - RW
Rooney
Matic - Schneiderlin
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DDG​
 
Martial'sgaze said:
Yeah,just that schneiderlin attacking attribute and vision is not good enough to play box to box for a team challenging for the title or hoping to compete in the upper echelons of European football.
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Who knows. Mourinho prefers a second defensive player alongside his holding midfielder. You won't find many B2B who can defend, and yet still contribute something to the attack like Schneiderlin can. Good to have for the difficult away games you need to win 1-0.

Fer said:
Maybe Matic could be a great addition, but for now it doesn't look exciting for me to see this midfield:

LW - ST - RW
Rooney
Matic - Schneiderlin
- Back 4 -
DDG​
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Should be Herrera instead of Rooney, but we all know that won't happen. I wouldn't mind seeing Matic Rooney Herrera midfield if we are forced to play Rooney because of his status as a player. Wish Fergie would have sold him as his last gift to the club. Worst thing Moyes ever did was extend that contract. Still our no.10 is looking weak, I don't know if i'd trust Herrera there. Maybe Pereira or Januzaj could break through there and offer more.
 
I would love him- do you guys think it's out of the realms of possibility? The fact Chelsea finished where they did could actually work in our favour if he tries to force it from his end? Or we farting in the wind with this one?
 
I think people are underating Matic quite a bit on here.

Matic was a beast in the season Chelsea won the title. An absolute beast.

He had a poor season but is because Chelsea as a team were shambles. He played alongside Fabregas that does 0 defensive work in the midfield. People are so very quick to dismiss Schneiderlins poor season because the club had issues under LVG but they are not willing to do the same with Matic whilst it is a very comparable situation.

I like to compare both in their best season and Matic is the better player for me.

If we should get him or not is a different matter. If the player wants to come and wont cost the world I all for it but we shouldnt spend a fortune on him or waste a summer trying to lure him away if it isnt likely to happen.
 
Matic is the Vidic of the midfield i would be over the moon if we got him.
 
I'd love him here - but I just don't like the idea of having to get him from Chelsea. It'll either be a complete waste of time or we'll end up paying over the odds for him. It'll be boring - but Schneiderlin + Matic against big teams is something that Mourinho would want.
 
''Nemanja oh oh oh, Nemanja oh oh oh, He comes from Serbia, He'll F***in murder ya."

Still works! What's not to like?
 
This rumor doesn't make sense at all. IIRC Jose named and shamed him, humiliated him by subbing him in and out within mins. Also he was one of their worst player during the messy time.

Also he isn't much better than Schneiderlin. schneiderlin is home grown player too. Sooner or later we will have problem with filling the quota as other HG players are Jones, Rooney, Smalling, Carrick, Young, Lingard, Keane and Johnstone. Apart from Smalling we are not sure on any other players in 2 years time.

We will have few from U21s but it's important to retain HG players.
 
The red panther said:
I think people are underating Matic quite a bit on here.

Matic was a beast in the season Chelsea won the title. An absolute beast.

He had a poor season but is because Chelsea as a team were shambles. He played alongside Fabregas that does 0 defensive work in the midfield. People are so very quick to dismiss Schneiderlins poor season because the club had issues under LVG but they are not willing to do the same with Matic whilst it is a very comparable situation.

I like to compare both in their best season and Matic is the better player for me.

If we should get him or not is a different matter. If the player wants to come and wont cost the world I all for it but we shouldnt spend a fortune on him or waste a summer trying to lure him away if it isnt likely to happen.
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For me at his best he is basically what we wanted Carrick to be.. a more nimble technically gifted Carrick who can take long range shots. A serbian Redondo in terms of style but mentally there are huge question marks about him which makes him closer to a Daley Blind at DM in terms of performance last year. The talent is unquestionable... big strong quick, great eye for a pass, great first touch and dribbling skills in tight spaces.

Apart from Verratti and Busquets.. theres very few DMs out there with his technical quality. He is a combination of deep lying playmaker/destroyer but its all about what is between his ears for me.
 
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