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Gallas-loving continues to increase in popularity :rolleyes:
 
We need at least one more defender if Gallas comes.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>Gallas-loving continues to increase in popularity :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Amazing isn't it? I take it you aren't one of them gallas star-struck admirers? ;)
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taken from BBC website in May:

Chelsea defender William Gallas has insisted he will not be leaving the club despite having revealed his frustration at failing to win a settled role in the side.
Gallas was linked with a transfer to Double-winners Arsenal, but the Frenchman is not leaving Stamford Bridge.

He told his personal website, <a href="http://www.william-gallas.com:" target="_blank">www.william-gallas.com:</a> "I've been labelled as a utility player and I find it really hard to accept.

"Even though it's for a good cause, it annoys me to be shunted around all the different positions.

"I can't go through another season like this one. I need to be given a clearly defined role."

However, having promptly been linked with a possible move to Arsenal, he has now confirmed to Chelsea TV he has no intention of leaving the club. In broken English, he insisted: "I stay in Chelsea because I like Chelsea and if I leave to Arsenal, I think the supporters will kill me."

On his relationship with manager Claudio Ranieri, he insisted: "We get on very well. He gave me my chance to play."
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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You'll be disappointed then.

What drastic changes did you expect?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Our defense was shit last season, will Gallas on his own improve it? Slightly. Would Duff instead of Giggs improve it? Sometimes. Would Duff up front with Ruud improve it? Ole didn't exactly do too bad. If we're going to improve our defense then more than one out of the back five has to change, and I still predict that will happen. And if we have a midfield four of, say, Duff Keane Veron and Beckham, then we might still be out fought by arsenal and liverpool in that area again.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Amazing isn't it? I take it you aren't one of them gallas star-struck admirers? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, put it this way, I haven't been a life-long admirer like some are making out to be
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Originally posted by blythy:
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Well, put it this way, I haven't been a life-long admirer like some are making out to be</strong><hr></blockquote>

But what do you reckon? Would you like to see us sign him for less than £10m?
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I've been impressed with Gallas over the past 12 months, though I wouldn't have though that he'd be the only defender we bought. Lets wait and see. We might well get Rio or Nesta as well, if we can land Gallas for around 7m.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
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Well, put it this way, I haven't been a life-long admirer like some are making out to be</strong><hr></blockquote>

But how do you rate him?
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Our defense was shit last season, will Gallas on his own improve it? Slightly. Would Duff instead of Giggs improve it? Sometimes. Would Duff up front with Ruud improve it? Ole didn't exactly do too bad. If we're going to improve our defense then more than one out of the back five has to change, and I still predict that will happen. And if we have a midfield four of, say, Duff Keane Veron and Beckham, then we might still be out fought by arsenal and liverpool in that area again.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Yeah, that is very true. However, we are no longer the leading team in the country, and I don't think throwing money at any good player will get us back there. I rather see us re-group and build for the medium to long term instead of quick-fix solutions.

We do have the players NOT to be outfought in midfield - the question is if they will be used in the right way.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I've been impressed with Gallas over the past 12 months, though I wouldn't have though that he'd be the only defender we bought. Lets wait and see. We might well get Rio or Nesta as well, if we can land Gallas for around 7m.</strong><hr></blockquote>

John Terry is a lot better.

That would make central defence a little over-crowded wouldn't you think? Unless Gallas is brought in to cover the full-back positions as well.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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But what do you reckon? Would you like to see us sign him for less than £10m?</strong><hr></blockquote>

If there's any truth in the £7.5 clause, he may prove to be a good signing. But it's a risk, and risks don't make people happy. What the fans want is a big-name, I however, want a solid defence.

From what I've seen of Gallas, he could provide it. However, I am not claiming to have seen much of the player, so Im staying on the fence, so-to-speak.
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Just been to the Official Chelsea message board and it seems they are all pissed off at the news:

"Man Utd to sign Gallas bollix... sigh."

"Never trust a report with a spelling mistake"

"They're buying Ronaldo for us (as we don't have the money) and then we are exchanging Gallas for Ronaldo. I know 'cause fergiescum phoned me to tell me!!!!"

"what was WG doing there in such circumstances..... truth be known I'm getting a bit a pizzed off with these antics of his. First the website quotes now this."
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I've been impressed with Gallas over the past 12 months, though I wouldn't have though that he'd be the only defender we bought. Lets wait and see. We might well get Rio or Nesta as well, if we can land Gallas for around 7m.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think we'll buy Nesta or Rio for the kind of money that's being mentioned. And I can't see Leeds selling Rio for less than £25m, considering they bought him for £18m.

However, I can see us buy Gallas + AN Other for about £20m between them (Ayala would cost about £12m...)
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If Gallas is the defensive signing its hardly news to "stun the world" at a press conference tomorrow. We need pace at the back so probably O'shea and gallas could be a good pairing and they are both young (younger than me anyway) but it wouldn't exactly frighten the opposition would it!
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>If Gallas is the defensive signing its hardly news to "stun the world" at a press conference tomorrow. </strong><hr></blockquote>

The news that is said to 'shock' is related to a current united player...

how many times do I have to repeat this?
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Originally posted by blythy:
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If there's any truth in the £7.5 clause, he may prove to be a good signing. But it's a risk, and risks don't make people happy. What the fans want is a big-name, I however, want a solid defence.

From what I've seen of Gallas, he could provide it. However, I am not claiming to have seen much of the player, so Im staying on the fence, so-to-speak.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Every signing is a risk.

I too want a solid defence, and I don't reckon buying ONLY Rio or Nesta for stupid money would create a solid defence.

I watched Chelsea quite a few times last season, and their centre defence 'always' looked solid.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>I watched Chelsea quite a few times last season, and their centre defence 'always' looked solid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

True.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I don't think we'll buy Nesta or Rio for the kind of money that's being mentioned. And I can't see Leeds selling Rio for less than £25m, considering they bought him for £18m.

However, I can see us buy Gallas + AN Other for about £20m between them (Ayala would cost about £12m...)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed, but I still think Rio will be the main one. And I still think, and hope, Veron will be sold giving cash for further strengthening.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Agreed, but I still think Rio will be the main one. And I still think, and hope, Veron will be sold giving cash for further strengthening.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If we get Duff, I wouldn't mind us selling Veron to finance a move for Rio - and by that still leave funds for another defender.
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Ayala, Gallas, Duff

I´d settle for that. If we give Blackburn Disco and some cash for Duff they (Ayala, Duff and Gallas) won´t cost more than 30m.
 
Is it possible that we are interested in signing Gallas as a FB, rather than a CB?

He played CB for Marseille but for Chelsea, he usually played at FB with Desailly-Terry being the regular CB partnership.

Maybe we still are interested in Rio or another CB and are signing Gallas as a FB..
 
the perfect summer imo would be 2 defenders with one of them being ayala and maybe a striker with alot of pace but i really dont see us getting a midfielder unless we offload veron

imo ayala should be our number 1 target
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Agreed, but I still think Rio will be the main one. And I still think, and hope, Veron will be sold giving cash for further strengthening.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Rio situation depends on the new manager. It's still unlikely he'll come, because the PLC won't spend 30m or more. Again, selling Veron to finance it would go against Fergie's stubborn streak (his obsession with proving doubters wrong is the most predictable aspect of his personality).

I still think 2/3 signings will be it. It now looks increasingly like Gallas, probably Duff and if something turns up ANOther (unlikely).

I think Fergie must believe in both Brown and O'Shea. If he doubted either, he'd go get another CB (which, again is unlikely).
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I wouldn't think so Roy. He's complained that Ranieri was playing him at both LB & RB last year. Like Thuram, I think he's interested in being a full time CB.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I wouldn't think so Roy. He's complained that Ranieri was playing him at both LB & RB last year. Like Thuram, I think he's interested in being a full time CB.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But he impressed you playing as a fullback over the last 12 month?
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I don't think we'll buy Nesta or Rio for the kind of money that's being mentioned. And I can't see Leeds selling Rio for less than £25m, considering they bought him for £18m.

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i'd be surprised if we dished out 35mil...


i reckon we'd get him for 26-28 mil.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I wouldn't think so Roy. He's complained that Ranieri was playing him at both LB & RB last year. Like Thuram, I think he's interested in being a full time CB.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps but from the article that was posted earlier in this threade it seems the reason he was unsettled was because Ranieri kept changing him between different positions, not because he doesn't like this or that position. Maybe if he was promised the LB/RB position at United then he'd be happy with that.

This is just pure speculation though. I dunno, it just doesn't seem to me like he has enough charisma to be "the one" to "rescue" us. Rio is. We DO need 1 big name IMHO.
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Originally posted by Roy:
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This is just pure speculation though. I dunno, it just doesn't seem to me like he has enough charisma to be "the one" to "rescue" us. Rio is. We DO need 1 big name IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ayala.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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But he impressed you playing as a fullback over the last 12 month?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, I was impressed with his CB performances. He played there for large parts of the season, as Desailly was out injured a lot.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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But he impressed you playing as a fullback over the last 12 month?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can't remember where he was playing each time I watched Chelsea, just that I was impressed with his poise and defending ability. He's a classy player and will improve greatly if allowed to play next to an intelligent and experienced player like Larry White.
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Originally posted by Roy:
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This is just pure speculation though. I dunno, it just doesn't seem to me like he has enough charisma to be "the one" to "rescue" us. Rio is. We DO need 1 big name IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But :( big name does not usually guarantee success.
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