NCAA College Football 2016/17

Organic Potatoes said:
Richt doesn't have the personality of a Jimmy Johnson. And with it being a non-traditional power, they don't have the pull of a great power like Bama which has been ingrained into the culture over the past half century or so.

Similar to UCLA...they should have had more success based on their geography. Or A&M, having great recruits pulled out from under them by OU, LSU, and UT on a regular basis. Miami's pull is not enough to capitalize on their advantages without a great coach.
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Well I would say that one doesn't need a Jimmy Johnson type personality to be successful. Miami has won 5 NCs under 4 coaches, each of which had distinctly different approaches. You do have to be a great recruiter which hasn't happened at Miami during the Coker, Shannon, and Golden years. Richt has a great reputation in that regard and will do even better at the U since good recruiters at Miami generally have South Florida on lock down.

As for UCLA, they have never been good in the past 4 decades so I don't see the any similarities there, especially as they are in close competition with USC for recruiting, which doesn't translate to South Florida where UM is the only show in town. If you look at the past few decades, Miami's pull has always been enough to dominate college football, otherwise they wouldn't have won NCs under four different coaches across three decades.
 
Raoul said:
Well I would say that one doesn't need a Jimmy Johnson type personality to be successful. Miami has won 5 NCs under 4 coaches, each of which had distinctly different approaches. You do have to be a great recruiter which hasn't happened at Miami during the Coker, Shannon, and Golden years. Richt has a great reputation in that regard and will do even better at the U since good recruiters at Miami generally have South Florida on lock down.

As for UCLA, they have never been good in the past 4 decades so I don't see the any similarities there, especially as they are in close competition with USC for recruiting, which doesn't translate to South Florida where UM is the only show in town. If you look at the past few decades, Miami's pull has always been enough to dominate college football, otherwise they wouldn't have won NCs under four different coaches across three decades.
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They are urban schools in a perfect geographical location that don't have the fanatical fan base of their peers.

The last U dynasty came off the back of Butch Davis who, while not as charismatic as JJ, proved to be...let's say...resourceful. And having South Florida on lockdown doesn't mean much when Saban & Co. have the rest of the South on lockdown.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
They are urban schools in a perfect geographical location that don't have the fanatical fan base of their peers.

The last U dynasty came off the back of Butch Davis who, while not as charismatic as JJ, proved to be...let's say...resourceful. And having South Florida on lockdown doesn't mean much when Saban & Co. have the rest of the South on lockdown.
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Let's see what happens. I don't anticipate this recent SEC golden period that has been ongoing for the past decade will last much longer since things seem to go in cycles and new (or older) schools always come back around to reassert themselves. Michigan, Miami, Florida, Texas, Notre Dame etc will always be in the mix as soon as they get the right coaches, which imo Michigan and Miami already have. For Miami, I see this year as similar to the 99/00 year which was the setup for the NC year 12 months later.
 
MrMarcello said:
This is why many UGA fans idolized Richt. Not because he so often failed to win the big games but because he was such a good Christian man. Ya know, the important stuff that a university pays x million dollar salaries for. Wins are irrelevant.

http://hypeline.org/university-of-miami-football-coach-surprises-players-with-customized-bibles/
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In fairness he had a nearly 70% win percentage, at a school like Georgia and in a very competitive division over 14 or so years.
 
Raoul said:
Yeah but he's got a lot more talent available at Miami, plus he's known as a damn good recruiter. When you combine those, he should have South Florida, one of the most talent rich areas in the nation , locked down. At Georgia, he was having to compete with Bama, Auburn, Clemson, FSU, UF, Tennessee etc for recruits. Not the case in So Fla.
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South Florida is recruited nationally. Richt won't lockdown the area. Defining it as south of Tampa and excluding IMG academy in Bradenton, let's look at this year's rankings from rivals.

3. Nick Bosa - Ohio State
8. Sam Bruce - Miami
11. Brian Burns - Florida State
13. Tyler Boyd - Tennessee
15. Binjimen Victor - Ohio State
19. Joseph Jackson - Miami
21. Trayvon Mullen - Clemson
22. Dionte Mullins - Miami
24. Josh Hammond - Florida
26. Devin Bush - Michigan
27. Emmett Rice - Florida State
29. Riley Ridley - Georgia
30. Dredrick Sneldon - UCF


That's just the 4 and 5 star players this year, the elite recruits. Miami has 3 of 13.

Michigan has always recruited South Florida going back to Anthony Carter. Alabama has gotten Calvin Ridley and Amari Cooper. Georgia has gotten Sonny Michel. Florida State has gotten Dalvin Cook, Kelvin Benjamin, Devonta Freeman and Nick O'Leary. Florida has gotten Treon Harris, Matt Elam, Janoris Jenkins and Jacoby Brissett. Clemson has gotten Sammy Watkins. Ohio State has gotten Ryan Shazier, Carlos Hyde and Joey Bosa. Louisville even got Eli Rogers and Teddy Bridgewater. Auburn got Tre Mason. That's just from a quick scan of the past 10 years.


There's no denying that there is an incredible amount of talent in South Florida, it's just that it isn't a secret. Big time programs have been recruiting there for years. Mark Richt had a top 16 class every single year at Georgia, a top 10 class 11 out of 15 years. He's not getting a big talent upgrade at Miami.
 
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Eboue said:
South Florida is recruited nationally. Richt won't lockdown the area. Defining it as south of Tampa and excluding IMG academy in Bradenton, let's look at this year's rankings from rivals.

3. Nick Bosa - Ohio State
8. Sam Bruce - Miami
11. Brian Burns - Florida State
13. Tyler Boyd - Tennessee
15. Binjimen Victor - Ohio State
19. Joseph Jackson - Miami
21. Trayvon Mullen - Clemson
22. Dionte Mullins - Miami
24. Josh Hammond - Florida
26. Devin Bush - Michigan
27. Emmett Rice - Florida State
29. Riley Ridley - Georgia
30. Dredrick Sneldon - UCF


That's just the 4 and 5 star players this year, the elite recruits. Miami has 3 of 13.

Michigan has always recruited South Florida going back to Anthony Carter. Alabama has gotten Calvin Ridley and Amari Cooper. Georgia has gotten Sonny Michel. Florida State has gotten Dalvin Cook, Kelvin Benjamin, Devonta Freeman and Nick O'Leary. Florida has gotten Treon Harris, Matt Elam, Janoris Jenkins and Jacoby Brissett. Clemson has gotten Sammy Watkins. Ohio State has gotten Ryan Shazier, Carlos Hyde and Joey Bosa. Louisville even got Eli Rogers and Teddy Bridgewater. Auburn got Tre Mason. That's just from a quick scan of the past 10 years.


There's no denying that there is an incredible amount of talent in South Florida, it's just that it isn't a secret. Big time programs have been recruiting there for years. Mark Richt had a top 16 class every single year at Georgia, a top 10 class 11 out of 15 years. He's not getting a big talent upgrade at Miami.
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Anthony Carter was in HS during a time in the late 70s when Miami was considering eliminating its football program, so I'm not sure he can be counted.

When I said Richt would lock So Fla down it was a reference to Miami being competitive again (as in top 10 or better), at which point the swag is back local recruits have little incentive to go elsewhere, especially not out of state. That won't obviously happen overnight given the recent scholarship sanctions and Miami not being in the top 25, but it will happen very quickly - like next recruiting season - if Richt leads the Canes to a top 10 or better finish.

When you look at Miami's ultra dominant periods of 1983-1995 and 1999-2003ish - not only did they completely control South Florida recruiting, but they also randomly fished players out of different states and areas controlled by other big schools like UF, LSU, and others (Testaverde, Clinton Portis, Reggie Wayne, Ed Reed, Jeremy Shockey, Jimmy Graham, Greg Olsen etc). The calibre of players the U gets when it has So Fla domination are the likes of Michael Irvin, Edgerrin James, Willis McGahee, Frank Gore, Sean Taylor, Andre Johnson, Ray Lewis, Warren Sapp (both from central FL), Devin Hester, Vince Wilfork, Sean Spence, and countless others.

South Florida is one of the three richest talent pools of high school football in the country and so its no surprise that Miami will benefit from that once again. In fact, despite having gone through a dismal decade, Miami until a year ago, still had the most players in the NFL.



In terms of the ones that got away - I can generally think of Derrick Thomas, Bridgewater, Cooper, Marvin Jones, and Patrick Johnson (now known as Patrick Peterson). Although stealing the likes of Clinton Portis, Ed Reed, and Reggie Wayne well made up for it.
 
Looking to be a routine weekend, compared to last weekend's mania. Top 25 matchups:

Tennessee at TA&M (3:30 ET)
Alabama at Arkansas (7:00 ET)
Florida State at Miami (8:00 ET)*

Washington has been excellent this season, will be watching them against Oregon to see if they'll remain a dark horse contender for the CFP. OSU is coming off a bye and Indiana is 3-1 (beat MSU last week), potential banana peel there :nervous:

*Didn't Florida just get slammed by a hurricane?
 
Miami was spared the worst of it. The southern tip just got a lot of rain.

I can't remember a time when the RRR was less of a big deal than this one.
 
3 turnovers, 3 bad calls, and 3 more defensive starters out (which I think brings us to over half of the intended starting D)...but we're still up one. OU fans are going apeshit about Mike Stoops, though. We can't even line up properly on defense.
 
Is it time for OU to move on from Stoops? Bosworth thinks so and I kinda agree. Nearing 20 years and coaches often refuse to adapt/change, too much complacency at the moment. Brown ran Texas into shambles and it's possible Stoops will do the same. Meyer and Saban seem the only coaches that should stick around but neither have been at the same school as long as Stoops.
 
MrMarcello said:
Is it time for OU to move on from Stoops? Bosworth thinks so and I kinda agree. Nearing 20 years and coaches often refuse to adapt/change, too much complacency at the moment. Brown ran Texas into shambles and it's possible Stoops will do the same. Meyer and Saban seem the only coaches that should stick around but neither have been at the same school as long as Stoops.
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The general consensus is yes, but it's hard to fire the most powerful man in the state.
 
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Michigan D teeing off the Rutgers offense. Almost the end of the first quarter and I think Rutgers has negative yards.
 
Looked like the A&M player was going to score late and seal the win but what a great play by the Tennessee DB (same guy that gave up that score last week against Georgia).

I don't like the artificial overtime rules in college but it's better than a tie.
 
MrMarcello said:
Looked like the A&M player was going to score late and seal the win but what a great play by the Tennessee DB (same guy that gave up that score last week against Georgia).

I don't like the artificial overtime rules in college but it's better than a tie.
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Yeah all the dude had to do was go down and they could have run the clock down but can't blame the kid for trying to go in for what seemed like a certain TD.
 
Tennessee tried to come back again, but starting slow finally did turn out to bite them in the butt.

And way to go Navy. Knocked off Houston and ended that bracket buster storyline.
 
Fecking outrageous, but then again this team is a work in progress and Richt will need a year or so before he has them playing how he wants them.
 
Ramshock said:
Richt has a ceiling he can only take teams so far. If I were a Canes follower Id look forward to his rebuilding job then look for a next level coach beyond that.
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The ceiling is only present when there is limited talent. That restriction is now gone.
 
Ramshock said:
I dunno he had a lot of 4 and 5 star talent and top 10 recruiting classes for years but couldnt get over the Florida hump.
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The star ranking system is complete nonsense. Once Miami locks down the state of Florida south of Orlando, you will see the type of NFL caliber players coming through the U again, which will along the way result in the sort of teams they had in the early 2000s.
 
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