NBA 2023-2024

We are just not very good.

Vogel's offensive sets are basically Booker/KD iso-s and for a defensive coach, our defence is crap despite having so many above average defenders.

He needs to get the bench players involved, we've so many capable shooters off the bench but none of them are getting any shots. I really miss the motion offence that Willie Green had us running to the Finals.
 
Missed the game. Damn Xmas. Watched it this morning.

We won, another close one. It appears the secret is to let the other team get the huge lead and then catch them up instead.

Woohoo!
 
1. Clippers are my early dark horse team to make it out the west assuming they arrive to the playoffs early

2. Ja should trademark "Ja Wick"

3. Celtics need Porzingis, otherwise their lack of playmaking will doom them late in the season. Even still I give them a slight edge against Milwaukee until the latter fixes their defensive porosity
 
Steph’s night night celebration is so cold. He did it to us when he absolutely destroyed Dillon Brooks, and I was so bitter but you have to respect it. It’s brilliantly disrespectful :lol:
 
Interesting comment from Shaq after the Dubs/Celtics game about Steph Curry belonging in the GOAT conversation. Shaq even saying that Steph was definitely better than he was.

As some of you may know, I'm a big fan of Steph, but best player of all time? No.

The top 3 are MJ, LeBron and Kareem. I could make a case for Steph being 4th but even that feels a little too high to me

After his 4th Championship I had him at 9th. With another season and a third of longevity carrying a Dubs team that so far has proved fairly mediocre I could possibly move him up 2-3 more spots but 6th is about as high as I'd be prepared to put him. Another chip and maybe he could crack the top 5, but number 1. No, just no.
 
charlton66 said:
Interesting comment from Shaq after the Dubs/Celtics game about Steph Curry belonging in the GOAT conversation. Shaq even saying that Steph was definitely better than he was.

As some of you may know, I'm a big fan of Steph, but best player of all time? No.

The top 3 are MJ, LeBron and Kareem. I could make a case for Steph being 4th but even that feels a little too high to me

After his 4th Championship I had him at 9th. With another season and a third of longevity carrying a Dubs team that so far has proved fairly mediocre I could possibly move him up 2-3 more spots but 6th is about as high as I'd be prepared to put him. Another chip and maybe he could crack the top 5, but number 1. No, just no.
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Don't think you can have him ahead of Magic yet, who for me is pretty firmly cemented in the 5th spot.

Personally have it MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Russell, Magic. Steph is in the next group with Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Wilt, and Hakeem in my opinion. Could absolutely see Steph being 6th when all is said and done as being more likely than not - but he probably has to win two more titles at least to pass Russell / Magic I'd think (admittedly this is off the top of my head and I reserve the right to change my opinion for entirely arbitrary reasons)
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Don't think you can have him ahead of Magic yet, who for me is pretty firmly cemented in the 5th spot.

Personally have it MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Russell, Magic. Steph is in the next group with Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Wilt, and Hakeem in my opinion. Could absolutely see Steph being 6th when all is said and done as being more likely than not - but he probably has to win two more titles at least to pass Russell / Magic I'd think (admittedly this is off the top of my head and I reserve the right to change my opinion for entirely arbitrary reasons)
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I think Magic is a better PG than Steph. I think Steph is a better player. However, I think Magic (so far) has a better overall legacy than Steph and I think that matters, so I would have him above Steph at this point in Steph's career.

I agree with Bill Russell as well for the same reason.

As to the rest you mention. I have him above Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, Wilt and Kobe. I could go either way on Duncan.
 
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I think Magic is a better PG than Steph. I think Steph is a better player. However, I think Magic (so far) has a better overall legacy than Steph and I think that matters, so I would have him above Steph at this point in Steph's career.

I agree with Bill Russell as well for the same reason.

As to the rest you mention. I have him above Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, Wilt and Kobe. I could go either way on Duncan.
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Yeah to each their own - I think Steph is in that same tier with those I mentioned and thus their exact positioning is up for debate depending on how the criteria are weighted. My point was though that I do think that he can ascend a level and be the indisputable 6th best ever even if he doesn't win anything else and gets there on longevity, but at least for me as a dumbass NBA fan I think he needs a couple more chips before we can put him above Magic.
 
Beans said:
Imagine Larry Bird playing today, he’d push Steph for 3s per season.
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I think a few pure shooters would flourish as well, like Dale Ellis, Reggie Miller and Kiki Vandeweghe raining 3s but dunno enough about their overall game to guesstimate if they'd be 30+-minute players or situational types today. John Stockton was an efficient shooter and would probably shoot more today.

There's no way I can see how anyone could place Steph above Magic Johnson.
 
Beans said:
Imagine Larry Bird playing today, he’d push Steph for 3s per season.
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I'd actually be quite surprised if that was the case. Only once in his career did Bird lead the league in 3s attempted. Apart from the latter part of James Harden's career in Houston where he was attempting a ridiculous amount (over 1,000 one year), Steph is usually comfortably ahead of anyone in 3s attempted/game. In addition, Bird had some great years shooting 3s but only twice did he lead the league in made 3s and was only a 37 6% 3 point shooter for his career.
 
NBA fans have a tendency to underrate players who don’t look like the typical archetype. I am saying relatively underrate compared to your ball-hoggers like Kobe.

Steph if he wins one more Championship with this Warriors team will easily be 5th in the all time rankings. Very few players can claim to have both changed the game and also won as many championships on a team that was built around them. And are very clearly the best all time at something in the NBA (shooter).

Jokic is another player who is underrated but has changed the role of the Center and similarly, if he wins another 2 championships, will clearly be in the all time top-10. Unless it involved something dumb like Giannis or Luka joining the Nuggets.
 
Damn, the Pistons have now lost 25 consecutive games. Two games away from breaking the record held by the Nets.

This is some truly historic, generational losing we’re witnessing.
 
WeePat said:
Damn, the Pistons have now lost 25 consecutive games. Two games away from breaking the record held by the Nets.

This is some truly historic, generational losing we’re witnessing.
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And check who their next two games are against…
 
Cade looked like he was on the verge of tears.

 
Are they going to end up worse than the 92-93 and 93-94 Mavs? Those teams were horrendous.

That 92-93 Mavs side was abysmal finishing 11-71, with a 4-57 record until Jimmy Jackson got going after his holdout (played last 28 games). They went 7-14 - winning last two games - at the tail end to somewhat make that final record look better than it actually was, or perhaps they'd have been slightly better with Jimmy all year.

The 93-94 Mavs won 13 games with Jimmy and Jamal Mashburn. They started 1-23 and were 9-66 until wining some games late in the season. These two teams were atrocious.
 
MrMarcello said:
I think a few pure shooters would flourish as well, like Dale Ellis, Reggie Miller and Kiki Vandeweghe raining 3s but dunno enough about their overall game to guesstimate if they'd be 30+-minute players or situational types today. John Stockton was an efficient shooter and would probably shoot more today.

There's no way I can see how anyone could place Steph above Magic Johnson.
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The game is so different now I have a hard time comparing Magic to Steph.
 
charlton66 said:
I'd actually be quite surprised if that was the case. Only once in his career did Bird lead the league in 3s attempted. Apart from the latter part of James Harden's career in Houston where he was attempting a ridiculous amount (over 1,000 one year), Steph is usually comfortably ahead of anyone in 3s attempted/game. In addition, Bird had some great years shooting 3s but only twice did he lead the league in made 3s and was only a 37 6% 3 point shooter for his career.
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I’m imagining him embracing the era and shooting lot of threes. But some of that would depends on the team he plays on.

I think shooters benefit from taking more threes, I would think it would improve his percentage.

But you’re right, Reggie Miller would be a much better example. He would have been highly coveted in today’s game.
 
MrMarcello said:
Are they going to end up worse than the 92-93 and 93-94 Mavs? Those teams were horrendous.

That 92-93 Mavs side was abysmal finishing 11-71, with a 4-57 record until Jimmy Jackson got going after his holdout (played last 28 games). They went 7-14 - winning last two games - at the tail end to somewhat make that final record look better than it actually was, or perhaps they'd have been slightly better with Jimmy all year.

The 93-94 Mavs won 13 games with Jimmy and Jamal Mashburn. They started 1-23 and were 9-66 until wining some games late in the season. These two teams were atrocious.
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I honestly don't see Pistons winning enough games to not be worse than those Mavs teams.

They're 2-26 right now. They'd have to go 9-45 the rest of the way to match the 93 Mavs and 11-43 to match the 94 Mavs. I mean they could do it but looking at how down in the dumps, demoralised this team is, I don't see it. Unless they fire Monty and some new coach stems the tide.
 
WeePat said:
I honestly don't see Pistons winning enough games to not be worse than those Mavs teams.

They're 2-26 right now. They'd have to go 9-45 the rest of the way to match the 93 Mavs and 11-43 to match the 94 Mavs. I mean they could do it but looking at how down in the dumps, demoralised this team is, I don't see it. Unless they fire Monty and some new coach stems the tide.
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They are on the Charlotte Bobcats(2012) and the worst 76ers seasons timeline, 9-73 in 1973 and 10-72 in 2016.

On a side note I can't believe that the Wolves are barely in the top 20 of the worst seasons.
 
Baby T (now Trayce Jr.) looked really good again last night. Along with Kuminga, the Pod, and Moses Moody it looks like it might be the start of a real changing of the guard at the Warriors.
 
Rado_N said:



How the feck does this happen in a basketball game?!
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The NBA needs to start examining players' fingernails before tip-off. Some players grow them out and/or file them; it's ridiculous.

Also absolutely absurd to contrast the whistles Jokic gets versus Embiid despite the former getting mauled all the time.
 
Jokic is such a meme, holy shit, if you have back issue rest, if you cant be bothered dont play

Such a twilight zone game, Jokic having more than usual what 6 FTs in a game.
 
R'hllor said:
Jokic is such a meme, holy shit, if you have back issue rest, if you cant be bothered dont play

Such a twilight zone game, Jokic having more than usual what 6 FTs in a game.
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Who is that directed at? Clay?
 
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Jokic, what
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I didn't realize he has back issues. That dunk toward the end appeared to be aggressive for someone with back issues. Jokic looks like that in 1/2 of games during regular seasons. He turns all the engines in play offs.
 
ExoduS said:
I didn't realize he has back issues. That dunk toward the end appeared to be aggressive for someone with back issues. Jokic looks like that in 1/2 of games during regular seasons. He turns all the engines in play offs.
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Last 6-9 games they were putting back waist on him for what ever reason, guess his floaters suffer due that, doubt your automatic most eff. shot can drop that much % wise just like that out of nowhere.
 
R'hllor said:
Last 6-9 games they were putting back waist on him for what ever reason, guess his floaters suffer due that, doubt your automatic most eff. shot can drop that much % wise just like that out of nowhere.
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He is half assing it. This will not be MVP season as Embid is playing amazingly so might as well just do enough to get a decent position for play offs.
 
Rado_N said:



How the feck does this happen in a basketball game?!
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Sadly GSW were a victim of NBA gaslight tonight but listening post match interviews, ESPN will have a full blown take about flopping, foul baiting while having Jokic as a face of it, it would be actually amazing
 
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