The max everyone else can offer is still lower than what Dallas can offer.
NBA 2022-2023
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I'm not familiar with all the details of how that works. As I recall LeBron's Bird Rights went with him to Cleveland because it was technically a trade?
If I have that right then that's not necessarily the case, the original team can be pressured to trade in order to get something back (and force the other team to pay more, limiting their further options to sign players).
I expect a guy like Doncic in LA or NY could generate enough extra income through advertising and whatnot to make it up, even without Bird rights.
Some like Bradley Beal are happy to lose games on max deals, but a surprising number of people will take less for a chance to win it all. Just a matter of personality.
Search 'NBA supermax', that will tell you everything you need to know.
Bird’s rights just means the team gets to spend over the cap to extend a player.
The designated veteran player extension aka super max can only be offered by the team that drafted the eligible player or the team that traded for him while he’s on his rookie contract (no longer applicable for Luka) .
So basically right now Dallas can offer Luka up to 35% of the cap while other teams can only offer him up to 30% of the cap.
Add in the 0% tax for home games and games against Spurs and Houston. No advertisement money is going to make that much for Luka.
Only the Mavericks can offer him 30% of the cap, his extension should be as a 5th year eligibile player. The designated veteran player extension is for players that have completed 7 years.
I guess I couldn’t say, but you can leverage a lot of cash out of Hollywood.
I wonder if there’s much skirting of the pay limits, getting LeBron a free membership at the golf club or whatever, flying him out to Dubai for a summer visit, free investment advice, whatever. I’m sure they could get very creative.
Really? My impression is the total opposite - a surprising number of players don’t care about winning at all. I honestly struggle with naming any player taking a pay cut to chase a ring. KD to GSW, and that’s about it?
KD didn't take a significant pay cut, he just didn't take an extended deal. It was also a sign-and-trade so he signed the max that he could for what was initially a 2 year deal. He wanted a shorter contract because once you hit a decade of service time you are eligible for a larger extension - hence why he followed up the initial 2 year deal with a 1 year extension with GS, then a max deal with Brooklyn.
Him going there wasn't because he took a pay cut, it's because the cap had an unprecedented leap from the previous year that allowed the Warriors to fit him in. Since then the NBA has prevented this from happening by making changes more gradually - aka "cap smoothing".
LeBron, Wade and Bosh all took pay cuts to join up. Harden just took one to sign PJ Tucker. Internet says Nowitzki did, Tim Duncan as well, I seem to recall DeMarcus Cousins taking less one year as well to play for a winner (he got injured as I recall). There are lots of veterans on less money who have done that too.
Ah, alright. Didn’t know it was a sign-and-trade.
But that makes me even more curious about the “surprising number of players” who leaves money on the table to chase a ring elsewhere, because I honestly struggle naming even 1.
Didn’t think of the Miami trio.
Did Cousins leave a max/super max situation?
The veteran guys is a bit besides my point - players forfeiting max/super max deals.
So basically it’s a surprisingly low number of players leaving big money on the table - but there are a few. There are more Beals than Nowitzkis.
(Edit: The Internet says AD is the only player who’s rejected a super max, with Kawhi as a “grey area” as he was never actually offered one officially)
Bosh got a raise but Lebron and Wade took small cuts (though I could be wrong but I think Wade's contract was structured so as to make it up on the back end?).
Cousins was on course for a big deal in all likelihood but tore his Achilles months before free agency after he'd been traded to the Pelicans (and had been playing extremely well). After that he wasn't going to get anything resembling a max deal (think he was looking at the midlevel exception maybe?), so he took a lower number to chase a ring with Golden State.
If Andrew Wiggins had let his contract expire and gone into free agency at the end of this season, he could have expected something around 5 years/190 million (possibly significantly more). After his performance in the finals this year, I think there is a decent chance he could have got something around that number but probably not from the Dubs. Instead he signed a 4 year 109 million deal. Possibly he's chasing rings, but more likely he just likes where he is. Either way he took a massive pay cut with this extension.
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Sorry not to downplay Wiggins but you think someone is giving him $38m+ a year AAV? He's excelling because he's a top tier role player slash 3rd option; as soon as you put him in a situation where he's making the money of a number 1 with the accompanying expectations your team is going nowhere. The teams that he makes sense for can't fit him in outside of a sign-and-trade - and even then who would be willing to commit that much to him?
Not sure about the ins and outs about who can afford what, but based on what I've seen NBA GMs do over the years, I definitely believe there is team out there who would pay him. Whether he is a 1st, 2nd or 3rd option on offense, he is still a 20 point/game guy and one of the best defenders in the game. Yes, somebody would pay him.
You just said you couldn’t think of players taking pay cuts.
Just people offered Supermax is a small sample size, but the over-all sentiment of essentially paying to have a more enjoyable career experience isn’t rare.
That being said it stands out when it happens, probably makes it seem more common than it is.
We’re both just saying we’re surprised, I figured people taking less than max (or very near max) would be almost nonexistent. But you seem to have expected lot of it.
He's a 20 point per game guy right now because he doesn't have to create his own shot. The guys you commit 30%+ of the cap to are the ones who can carry an offense - Wiggins is a fantastic role player right now who absolutely cannot be a number 1 option on a team with any aspirations of success whatsoever.
The teams with the most cap space last summer were the Knicks at $33.5m, Spurs at $32.6m, Magic at $27.9m, Pacers at $25.1m, and Pistons at $21.4m. Where is the $38m AAV offer sheet coming from, even if you backload it?
He's actually averaging less with the Dubs than he did with the Wolves. Wiggs' problem has always been that he seemed disinterested or soft. His big turnaround with the Dubs is that he has finally started playing defense like he cared. With him now being an NBA Champion he provides that Championship experience as well as being an excellent 3 and D player. If the Warriors can make him play as well as this, then with the egos that some of these front offices have, one of them would feel they could do the same.
...and just for discussions sake the Wolves already were paying him 33 million for this year before he was traded. Also, since the original discussion was about players taking less, Wiggs is going to be making about the same in 2023-24 as he did when he was 23 in 2018.
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Well yes, that's my point - an efficient 20 PPG as a 3rd option is great compared to a forced 18 PPG as the 1st option because he can't create his own shot.
I don't disagree that he's taken his defense to the next level, but outside of Rudy Gobert (who is a big man and even despite that his contract is widely derided as being awful), what other defense-first players are making something in the realm of $38m per year? I completely agree that he's taking less to stay with the Dubs, what I disagree with is your argument that he had a 5 year $190m contract on the table somewhere else.
You seem to be agreeing with me? Surely given the way that contract has worked out teams would absolutely be gun-shy? Also that was different in this hypothetical because the Sixers traded for him then extended him; it wasn't a case of the open market but moreso a case of them throwing good money after bad.
What the Tobias Harris contract proves though is that NBA GMs do some terrible deals. I don't think offering Wiggs 190 million is a great contract by any means but I think there are far worse contracts out there considering what Wiggs now brings to the table.
But the point is the Harris deal was an extension. People aren't signing free agents to deals like that anymore.
Wiggins right now is a huge bargain. Wiggins at $38m per year would be disastrous for team building.
We might have to agree to disagree on this one, especially with the new TV deal about to happen in a couple of years.
On another subject Lakers shooting lights out with their 3s tonight.
6 - 21 (28%) blazing hot.
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All good mate. Certainly don't want to underplay Wiggins' impact - especially after the finals last year
. Just don't think anyone is giving him a $190m offer sheet is all.
You're not supposed to be watching.Both teams shooting under 40%.
this is glorious. Burn it all down!
Celtics have scored fewer points in the second half than they did in the second quarter. So fecking inconsistent in the half court as per usual
Box scores my boy, box scoresYou're not supposed to be watching.
All good mate. Certainly don't want to underplay Wiggins' impact - especially after the finals last year
Agree with this. He probably gets 160 over 5 years in the open market which is more than what he signed up with the Warriors.
That's what they all say.
Proudly have not watched a minute of Lakers basketball in 18 months. It’s liberating.That's what they all say.
So, uh, what did Josh Primo do?
Seems he suffers from same sh1t as Antonio Brown, Ye and similar. Hopefully someone helps this kid if he wants to be helped.
He’s already agreed on the designated player extension which is the 5 years, 30% of the cap.
His next extension is the one which will give him eligibility for the designated veteran extension which will give him the 35% of the cap.
You’re overrating Luka’s appeal outside of basketball.
The only news he’s making outside of basketball is how out of shape he has allowed himself to get during the off season.
/r/nba were speculating he’s involved in a murder case based on comments on his IG.
The kid is made different. Probably lighter Doncic wouldn't be this good. Haha
But the guy has some sort of a weight issue. He plays so much bball just from games, how the heck is he packing weight. Must be eating like crazy .
Well that isn't good.
Hopefully as the suspect. Because otherwise he would be dead. Always a bright side.