NBA 2022-2023

WI_Red said:
No. I really hope this is not a serious post.
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It's serious. His fatass is dropping 40 with not that great of a shooting percentage from free throws and three. Probably cause of heavy legs. If he drops 10 kilos, he will be scoring 50 a game like he playing against high school kids.
 
ExoduS said:
It's serious. His fatass is dropping 40 with not that great of a shooting percentage from free throws and three. Probably cause of heavy legs. If he drops 10 kilos, he will be scoring 50 a game like he playing against high school kids.
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Got it, you are not being serious, started watching basketball last year, or are Luka’s mom/dad.
 
WI_Red said:
Got it, you are not being serious, started watching basketball last year, or are Luka’s mom/dad.
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Brother, I am from Serbia, I have watched winning basketball since 80s. No need to be a dick if you disagree with my assessment of Luka.
 
ExoduS said:
Brother, I am from Serbia, I have watched winning basketball since 80s. No need to be a dick if you disagree with my assessment of Luka.
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I guess I could have resounded more politely, and I apologize for that. Long day, but that’s no excuse.

Michael Jordan did not average 40, let alone 50 ppg in any season. Only one players has ever averaged over 40 a game (Wilt) and he did it twice. Luka is a phenomenal player, and I get the tribalism since he from your “geographic neighborhood”. That said, he is not MJ, he’s not even Kobe (yet??) and I doubt he averages over 30, but if he does, good for him!
 
WI_Red said:
I guess I could have resounded more politely, and I apologize for that. Long day, but that’s no excuse.

Michael Jordan did not average 40, let alone 50 ppg in any season. Only one players has ever averaged over 40 a game (Wilt) and he did it twice. Luka is a phenomenal player, and I get the tribalism since he from your “geographic neighborhood”. That said, he is not MJ, he’s not even Kobe (yet??) and I doubt he averages over 30, but if he does, good for him!
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Hey man, no lie I'm a fan and it is hard to be objective. The guy seems like he is mastering a game. Still some holes but he is still only 23. I'm not gonna debate all time great, as Luka is no where near that yet, but NBA has changed a lot so point averages is rising. I wanna see him 10 kg lighter next year. I think he might be unstoppable then.
 
ExoduS said:
Hey man, no lie I'm a fan and it is hard to be objective. The guy seems like he is mastering a game. Still some holes but he is still only 23. I'm not gonna debate all time great, as Luka is no where near that yet, but NBA has changed a lot so point averages is rising. I wanna see him 10 kg lighter next year. I think he might be unstoppable then.
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Biggest hole in his game is the lack of defense.

Losing 10kgs isn’t going to help that.
 
ExoduS said:
Hey man, no lie I'm a fan and it is hard to be objective. The guy seems like he is mastering a game. Still some holes but he is still only 23. I'm not gonna debate all time great, as Luka is no where near that yet, but NBA has changed a lot so point averages is rising. I wanna see him 10 kg lighter next year. I think he might be unstoppable then.
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Scoring may be up, but individual scoring is not really skyrocketing. I had to look it up to make sure my gut wasn’t wrong, but only two of the top 25 scoring averages have been in the last 15 years, and 4 in the last 30 years (imaginary prizes for anyone who can name the 3 players, one has 2, without looking). MJ was the most unstoppable player I have ever seen, and he had to exert every ounce of effort to average over 35, Kobe as well, and those are the two most competitive and physically fit guys I have ever seen. Part of what made those 2 guys great is they treated the weight room and gym as their opponent to be vanquished just as much as their opponent on the court. Luka does not have that fire in him to squeeze every ounce of his talent out.

Beyond that, it’s a numbers game. To average 40 a night is insanely difficult. Score 30 one night and you need 50 the next to make up the difference. There is a reason only Wilt has done it.
 
WI_Red said:
Scoring may be up, but individual scoring is not really skyrocketing. I had to look it up to make sure my gut wasn’t wrong, but only two of the top 25 scoring averages have been in the last 15 years, and 4 in the last 30 years (imaginary prizes for anyone who can name the 3 players, one has 2, without looking). MJ was the most unstoppable player I have ever seen, and he had to exert every ounce of effort to average over 35, Kobe as well, and those are the two most competitive and physically fit guys I have ever seen. Part of what made those 2 guys great is they treated the weight room and gym as their opponent to be vanquished just as much as their opponent on the court. Luka does not have that fire in him to squeeze every ounce of his talent out.

Beyond that, it’s a numbers game. To average 40 a night is insanely difficult. Score 30 one night and you need 50 the next to make up the difference. There is a reason only Wilt has done it.
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30 years makes it since 1992. Jordan's 37.1 ppg in 87 and 35ppg in 88 go out of the window.
Harden had a 36ppg season recently and had another high scoring season. Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg in 2006.
My first two guesses are Harden and Kobe, and i'm guessing Iverson's 2006 was the third. Unless i've forgotten someone.
 
WI_Red said:
MJ was the most unstoppable player I have ever seen, and he had to exert every ounce of effort to average over 35, Kobe as well, and those are the two most competitive and physically fit guys I have ever seen. Part of what made those 2 guys great is they treated the weight room and gym as their opponent to be vanquished just as much as their opponent on the court.
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Kobe and MJ definitely belong in the physically "gifted" category. I'd also throw Shaq in there as well, but for pure physical fitness (that is somebody who can run all day), I've never seen anybody like Stephen Curry.

As for your 3 scorers, I went with Harden and Kobe as two of them and Durant as the third. I looked it up and Durant was 4th. I won't name the 3rd guy just in case people want to keep trying.

Curry was 5th.
 
charlton66 said:
Kobe and MJ definitely belong in the physically "gifted" category. I'd also throw Shaq in there as well, but for pure physical fitness (that is somebody who can run all day), I've never seen anybody like Stephen Curry.

As for your 3 scorers, I went with Harden and Kobe as two of them and Durant as the third. I looked it up and Durant was 4th. I won't name the 3rd guy just in case people want to keep trying.
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Who was it? I guessed Iverson, but it doesn't seem correct.

Edit: I looked it up and unless i'm missing something, it does appear to be Iverson.
I can also see that Durant's highest scoring season was behind McGrady's 2003, so that can't put him ahead of the latter.

From what i can see:
PlayerSeasonPPG
James Harden2018-1936.13
Kobe Bryant2005-0635.40
James Harden2019-2034.34
Allen Iverson2005-0633.01
Tracy McGrady2002-0332.09
Kevin Durant2013-1432.01
 
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Ladron de redcafe said:
Who was it? I guessed Iverson, but it doesn't seem correct.

Edit: I looked it up and unless i'm missing something, it does appear to be Iverson.
I can also see that Durant's highest scoring season was behind McGrady's 2003, so that can't put him ahead of the latter.

From what i can see:
PlayerSeasonPPG
James Harden2018-1936.13
Kobe Bryant2005-0635.40
James Harden2019-2034.34
Allen Iverson2005-0633.01
Tracy McGrady2002-0332.09
Kevin Durant2013-1432.01
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It's 4.00 in the morning here, my eye sight is bad, (I'm trying to think of more excuses), but I missed Iverson when I was looking it up.

You're right, he's the 3rd.

McGrady is 4th
Durant 5th etc.....
 
charlton66 said:
It's 4.00 in the morning here, my eye sight is bad, (I'm trying to think of more excuses), but I missed Iverson when I was looking it up.

You're right, he's the 3rd.

McGrady is 4th
Durant 5th etc.....
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The surprising thing to me was the fact that Iverson had a higher ppg average in 2006 as a slightly older player than he had in his prime chucking-with-impunity days, but the removal of handchecking did lead to everyone's scoring going up. Kobe went from 27ppg to 35ppg overnight. Lebron James put up his career high in ppg with 31.5 ppg, and Iverson put up the 33ppg season. Michael Redd (!) put up something close to 28 or 29ppg.
If i recall correctly, 9 out of the top 10 scorers were perimeter players and scoring was getting ridiculous.
 
So everyone got the obvious 2 (Harden and Kobe) and @Ladron de redcafe got AI. I would have missed him as well and I also can’t read as we all missed MJ! He averaged 32 in 92-93 (his last pre baseball year), good for 25th on the list.
 
WI_Red said:
So everyone got the obvious 2 (Harden and Kobe) and @Ladron de redcafe got AI. I would have missed him as well and I also can’t read as we all missed MJ! He averaged 32 in 92-93 (his last pre baseball year), good for 25th on the list.
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It was early morning, your eyes are bad, the print was so small on the page, you can't count.....

Those are my excuses. I'll let you borrow them...
 
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Brooklyn have no shame, firing Nash just to hire the suspended Udoka from the Celtics. The man allegedly slept with the wife of the owner, combined with the Kyrie shitshow they are the most chaotic team in the league.
 
slored1 said:
Brooklyn have no shame, firing Nash just to hire the suspended Udoka from the Celtics. The man allegedly slept with the wife of the owner, combined with the Kyrie shitshow they are the most chaotic team in the league.
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Nash should have been fired at the end of last season after that shitshow against Udoka and Celtics.
 
slored1 said:
Brooklyn have no shame, firing Nash just to hire the suspended Udoka from the Celtics. The man allegedly slept with the wife of the owner, combined with the Kyrie shitshow they are the most chaotic team in the league.
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That's not a crime per day. Fireable offense? Sure. It's not like he slept with a subordinate.
 
slored1 said:
Brooklyn have no shame, firing Nash just to hire the suspended Udoka from the Celtics. The man allegedly slept with the wife of the owner, combined with the Kyrie shitshow they are the most chaotic team in the league.
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adexkola said:
That's not a crime per day. Fireable offense? Sure. It's not like he slept with a subordinate.
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By all accounts he absolutely did sleep with a subordinate and was fired when his attention became unwanted. It wasn't the wife of an owner.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
By all accounts he absolutely did sleep with a subordinate and was fired when his attention became unwanted. It wasn't the wife of an owner.
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Oh. The last I heard was that neither the team or Ime would disclose what happened.

If attention was unwanted AND it was a subordinate, that's more serious. I'd also want to know the nature of "unwanted" before making a more concrete call on whether he should be banned from professional sports and condemned to a profession more suited for skeezy men... Like plumbing
 
adexkola said:
Oh. The last I heard was that neither the team or Ime would disclose what happened.

If attention was unwanted AND it was a subordinate, that's more serious. I'd also want to know the nature of "unwanted" before making a more concrete call on whether he should be banned from professional sports and condemned to a profession more suited for skeezy men... Like plumbing
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Nothing official has been disclosed by the team - and the fact that the Celtics opted to try for a 1 year suspension instead of firing him for cause is very telling, as they clearly didn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit and therefore the discovery process.

The "unwanted" contact has to do with the subordinate deciding to end things and Udoka pursuing them as far as I know. So yes, definitely some completely inappropriate power dynamics in play.
 
Damn, the Warriors 2nd unit is bad. That 1st quarter was abysmal.
 
This is getting old. Every Dubs starter had a positive +/- as did 1 Heat starter (Jimmy Butler +2). The second unit was atrocious. Poole was -23 and JaMychal Green -22.

Gabe Vincent was +27 for the Heat off the bench.

As an aside, Steph Curry shot 50/40/100 from the field and had a triple double with 13 assists and 13 rebounds.
 
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slored1 said:
Brooklyn have no shame, firing Nash just to hire the suspended Udoka from the Celtics. The man allegedly slept with the wife of the owner, combined with the Kyrie shitshow they are the most chaotic team in the league.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Then firing Nash is terrible for the Rockets. I was secretly hoping they would flop this season despite KD staying and give us a much higher chance at landing Wembanyama.
 
Hopefully the Nets will take Udoka in the next few hours so all parties involved can move on, one way or the other.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Pelicans with an all timer of a loss. Absolutely incredible shit
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Willie Green is going to berate his team for the number of mistakes they made that lost them the game, like failing to foul Anthony Davis with time still left on the clock in OT with a timeout in hand.
 
Lots of surprises so far.

Clippers are last in points per game.
Brooklyn 3rd to last in +/-.
Warriors 23rd in +/-.
Lakers worse than the Jazz.
Pacers 3rd in PPG.
Boston defense is middle of the pack.

PER: Gilgeous-Alexander is 4th
Ingram is ahead of LeBron and Davis.
12. Valanciunas (NO)
13. Siakam (TOR)
17. Haliburton (IN)
23. Sengun (HOU)
26. Markkanen (UT)
31. Bol Bol (ORL)
 
Beans said:
Lots of surprises so far.

Clippers are last in points per game.
Brooklyn 3rd to last in +/-.
Warriors 23rd in +/-.
Lakers worse than the Jazz.
Pacers 3rd in PPG.
Boston defense is middle of the pack.

PER: Gilgeous-Alexander is 4th
Ingram is ahead of LeBron and Davis.
12. Valanciunas (NO)
13. Siakam (TOR)
17. Haliburton (IN)
23. Sengun (HOU)
26. Markkanen (UT)
31. Bol Bol (ORL)
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He's becoming a superstar. Absolutely thrilled with his development over the past few seasons.
 
ZDwyr said:
He's becoming a superstar. Absolutely thrilled with his development over the past few seasons.
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Lets hope he gets to play a full season and doesn't get shut down for tanking medical reasons again.
 
Ten point lead, Wiseman comes in -8 in 2 minutes, and then, thank heavens, they take him out.
 
Woo-ho, player power!

Who wants to give a max contract to the next ego maniac who wants to run practice himself?
 
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