Why would he have massive trade value? Small contract? A small contract isn't exactly conducive to a big trade...
And again, trade what?
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And again, trade what?
The roster isn't as threadbare as people want to admit. Mavs are a different type of team that likes to play 5 guys on the perimeter, shoot lots of 3s, makes lots of 3s, low turnovers, and plays team defense. They really stretch the floor on offense and everyone pitches in with Luka obviously leading.
I agree with you about Zion re dominant player, but think Pelicans will have to try and fit him in before taking trade suitors.
Zion is a force inside 15 feet offensively. But unless he develops an outside shot that allows him to space the floor and open up the inside, he's going to have problems. Pelicans were still a below 40 win team in the regular season. They caused the Suns problems by having a high pace, gritty defensive attitude, making perimeter shots, and attacked the paint.
Zion can't be the guy down the stretch as long as Ingram and CJ is there. They can create their own shot from anywhere on the court and also play a 2 man game. And defensively, Zion is poor. Coach Green has to adapt his team to fit Zion, but they all have to accept that Ingram is the star.
Yeah, they have a bunch of good 3&D guys. Perhaps the most abundant type of players currently in the NBA. As i said, a bunch of dudes
We're talking particularly valuable trade assets here
I'm all in on the Celtics man. I was flip-flopping on who I wanted to come out of the east between them and the Sixers (I still love Harden) but the way the Celtics handled the Nets won me over. I absolutely love watching them play.
Draymond goes off on Bill Simmons in defence of Jalen Green but also players' pockets in general.
Im not that big basketball expert but Brunson really isnt anything special, would be insane to give him a massive contract as there is no way they are getting anywhere near the ring if he is Doncic main sidekick
Dude is on a good contract and has established himself as one of the best 3&D-players in the league. Every team wants players like that, the more the better. Not saying any trade will happen, but he is probably Dallas' 2nd best asset after Luka depending on how big of a contract Brunson gets in the end (and whether he stays in Dallas at all).
What am I reading? Good and affordable 3&D wings are the most sought after commodity in the NBA after (super)stars, they are the opposite of abundant.
He's their best player after Luka actually.
He's good but not that good.Dude is on a good contract and has established himself as one of the best 3&D-players in the league. Every team wants players like that, the more the better. Not saying any trade will happen, but he is probably Dallas' 2nd best asset after Luka depending on how big of a contract Brunson gets in the end (and whether he stays in Dallas at all).
What am I reading? Good and affordable 3&D wings are the most sought after commodity in the NBA after (super)stars, they are the opposite of abundant.
But yes, players like him are important in the modern NBA because apart from 3-4 teams, using wings to abuse mismatch on defense is the way to go. Most teams main offense are from their guards driving and shooting and having multiple wings who can keep up on the perimeter is very important.
I think he's on of the best player of his ilk in his price range. Near 40% from 3, can guard 1 through 4 and smallball 5s. Completely locked down Mitchell in this series. He's still massively underrated and I think he might sneak into the NBA All Defense 2nd team next season.
even if thats true(i disagree) dont see how is that relevant....
Its a very average roster, last thing you want is average dudes on big money(should ring a bell if you are a United fan).
27,8 points on 53% shooting, 4,2 assists and 0,7 (!) turnovers per game in a six game playoff series aren't the numbers of an average player.
Just admit you don't watch the Mavs. The difference between Brunson and the rest of the Mavs not named Luka is huge.
nobody is denying he had a very good series.....but okay, maybe average is a bit harsh but im still convinced he isnt anything special and wouldnt put him under a big contract.
Zion would fit the Wolves but it's pipe dream.
Every word is spot on
I think he's really good but agree, he can't be the second best player on a contender. Think he maxes out as a really good backup PG and 6th man, like a Lou Williams but less of a scorer and more of an initiator. Jazz perimeter defence was just so bad they made him look like a borderline all star
Nobody's trading an actual star for DFS mate. Nobody. Dallas would have to package *all* of their good 3&D players - DFS, Bullock, Kleber, etc - and basically shoot both their depth and perimeter defence to pieces and even that likely wouldn't be enough. Just because you traded away Porzingis for a bunch of dudes doesn't mean others will. The porzingis trade was more about getting rid of him than improving the team(or you could say gettind rid of him meant improving the team from the mavs perspective)
There's quite a few going around, more potentially coming into the league every year and developing a 3P shot is something all nba franchises nowadays invest lots of money for in shooting coaches. Nobody's trading stars for good 3&D guys.What am I reading? Good and affordable 3&D wings are the most sought after commodity in the NBA after (super)stars, they are the opposite of abundant.
Yeah agree with that as well, but apparently we dont watch the Mavs.
Disagree on Porzingis though, he is part of the "bunch of dudes" or at least was for Mavs - just a meh player. So dont mind that trade, two good players for rotation is probably the best they could have get and both fit in tactically.
Please tell me where I said somebody would straight up trade a star for DFS. I was just reacting to you saying the Mavs are "a bunch of dudes" outside of Luka and Brunson when a sought after asset like DFS is right there. Don't put words in my mouth, c'mon.
I'd also like to ask you to name players on his salary or cheaper (non rookie contract) that are as good or better than him at what he does. It's not gonna be a very long list.
Not disagreeing with your other points, a trade for e.g. Gobert that would probably have to involve DFS, Bullock, maybe THJ as filler and picks would ruin all we would want Gobert for: Being a rim protecting monster behind good perimeter defenders that can all knock down shots. Again, I'm just saying that a lot of teams would be inticed by a juicy trade package centered around him if their disgruntled star wanted out. That package being a stupid idea from the Mavs' POV is another topic entirely.
Porzingis is exactly where he needs to be: A team in the middle of nowhere without much reason to look upwards where he can take dozens of shots that wouldn't be nearly efficient enough for a team that wants to and has to win. KP is the ideal tank commander: Not conducive to winning and injured half the time.
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In the context of trade value with a genuine star involved, that's what they are right now
How is he sought after? Did you have clubs trying to trade for him?
Low salary is great but it actually doesn't make it easier to trade for a star
Hard disagree. The sixers just got Harden for their disgruntled star. The Nets got Simmons and Seth back. Nobody's going to be looking at trading away a star for DFS. Maybe if he gets to first team all defence, or if he improves his handle and shot creation. But he's not there right now
Lets agree on that, then.
Wait a minute, the Mavs just won a series partly by exploiting Gobert's weakness of inability to defend perimeter and now you want to trade for him?
Gobert is getting the blame for stuff that really isn't his fault. The Mavs take a lot of 3s. It was Utah's perimeter defense that was supposed to stop that. Anybody that drove to the basket was then Goberts'. Trouble is Utah's perimeter defense is crap and Dallas wasn't taking it to the rim most of the time because of that. Therefore, Gobert was either left stood under the basket with his thumb up his arse or trying to get out on the perimeter to defend smaller, faster, more agile players who were then making him look foolish. If you put him on a team with good 3 and D players, he would shine. I'd take him on the Dubs in a heartbeat.
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European basketball is so wild.Barcelona the best team have just scored 32 points in 3 quarters in a playoff game,they have made 7 field goals in 3 quarters
Just checked the playoff schedule. Suns and Mavs get a few days off before game 1, but then they play 4 games in six days.
I mean I think they made a mistake by giving THJ a lot of money after a few good playoff games, that being said I've liked Brunson for a long time now and think he's much more worth a large contact than THJ was. It would be a massive mistake for Dallas to let him go, they have to atleast do some sort of sign and trade with a scorer from another team.
Brunson is Harden lite right now and I'm these playoffs shown that he can go that extra level.
He's terrible against players who have great midrange games like Durant, CP3 etc. as he always has to play drop coverage. Also doesn't have the speed to get to the corner 3 from the paint.
It's a pretty standard playoff series schedule, plus not a ton of travel involved which makes a big difference. Not too worried about it
I think the Pels would trade.
But that's not what he's there for. He's a rim protector. He needs good perimeter defenders on his team to he effective. Steve Kerr doesn't say to Steph Curry "go and win us the game lad, and while you're at it I want to see at least half a dozen dunks." That's not Steph's game, and being a perimeter defender is not Rudy Gobert's game. Give them the right tools to succeed and they're both the best there is.
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They usually have one or two games with a 3 day interval between them, especially if there's travel involved. Don't know what's the rush to be honest.
No there usually is one day off between games, with the odd 2 days off that usually occurs once in the series. This is how it's been at least throughout the current century.
Ya but you have to defend 5 players. If all 5 players can shoot the 3 like the Mavs showed yesterday then someone like Gobert is in big trouble. Who's going to defend Gobert's man if Gobert stays in the paint?
That's not all on Gobert though. Mavericks, and Jason Kidd said this, they would exploit matchups that they could take advantage of. And this hasn't just been the Jazz's issue for this year, they have struggled with a balanced lineup without Gobert. As in, really good regular season, but when teams go small and spread the court out in the playoffs, especially against a team like the Mavericks (or Clippers, or Rockets a few years ago), who jack up 3s and live on the perimeter with a mobile 4/5, it's going to cause problems.
Jazz went Mitchell, Conley, Clarkson, O'Neale, and Bogi. That's zero perimeter defenders. Maybe O'Neale fits, but Bogi sure as hell doesn't. And that's a 3 guard lineup - Clarkson is long, but skinny. Conley is more offensive but older and not the defender he once was. And Mitchell is a below average defender most trips down the court. You put that 5, which is what Jazz did, against Doncic, Dinwiddie, Brunson, Finney-Smith, and Kleba...that's a problem. Mavs were agile, long, and committed enough to keep their guys infront of them or at least usher them into traffic where Finney-Smith and Kleba could collapse.
Utah didn't construct their bench/team effectively enough for the playoffs and the different matchups they would have seen. And regardless if they saw it or not, they have a huge problem defending when Gobert is out or they are up against a team that goes 5 outside. Danny Ainge is going to be make wholesale changes within the next year, two at most.
Not to be pedantic, but the playoff schedules vary a lot more than that. For instance, the Celtics and Bucks play game 1 on May 2nd they don't play game 4 until May 9th. It's not a big deal one way or the the other it's just that with Booker's injury the Suns could probably do with the extra time. To be honest, maybe the Mavs could too with Luka just returning from his injury.
Ja morant doesn't look all that good. KAT and ant are the 2 best players in this series.
And season over!
The solution would be to play 4 players who can guard the perimeter and force the Mavs to make contested mods, but the Jazz don't have any players who can defend well once you remove Gobert. Blaming him for it is like blaming Ayton for not getting rebounds when he's the one contesting the shot.
Push them to game 7 please. Love this Wolves team.