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Think these are always illustrative - pretty clear why the 3 seed in the East is so coveted at the moment given the way the Bulls have been playing of late.

Another big wrinkle is that Chris Mannix reported that both Jaylen Brown and Al Horford are unvaccinated - so a 4/5 between Boston and Toronto could give the Raptors a big edge.
 
In the end we were both right in thinking that the 76ers should have accepted the Blazers or Wolves offers. And we were both right to be skeptical. Both Simmons and Harden seem suspect.
Yeah McCollum has actually been great for Pelicans so far and may have been better than Harden for them this year. At the same time he is signed for $69m for two more season which while not cheap is not that long and will not cost you $45m+ per year for 4 years like the new Harden deal inevitably will.
 
Yeah McCollum has actually been great for Pelicans so far and may have been better than Harden for them this year. At the same time he is signed for $69m for two more season which while not cheap is not that long and will not cost you $45m+ per year for 4 years like the new Harden deal inevitably will.

Plus on top of that they'd probably be receiving assets from the Blazers in a potential Simmons deal instead of giving up multiple picks and the best part of their bench.
 
Yeah McCollum has actually been great for Pelicans so far and may have been better than Harden for them this year. At the same time he is signed for $69m for two more season which while not cheap is not that long and will not cost you $45m+ per year for 4 years like the new Harden deal inevitably will.

Yeah McCollum for Simmons or Beasley+D-Lo + picks for Simmons were in my opinion better deals for the 76ers. Particularly when Beasley decided to find his shooting stroke back after the trade deadline, the Wolves were ready to let him go for cheap. :lol:
 


Think these are always illustrative - pretty clear why the 3 seed in the East is so coveted at the moment given the way the Bulls have been playing of late.

Another big wrinkle is that Chris Mannix reported that both Jaylen Brown and Al Horford are unvaccinated - so a 4/5 between Boston and Toronto could give the Raptors a big edge.

Mannix's source is his ass. He just makes up shit for attention.
 
I would be absolutely stunned if Nets went past Round 1 let alone won the whole thing. Unless Durant goes like 40/9/6 for the duration of the playoffs there are like 8 or 9 teams I would comfortably have ahead of them.

They could steal a game or even two from the Bucks but that’s about it.
They were 2cm away from defeating Bucks last season without Irving, and with Harden being either out or broken. They have now Irving, and a few good players that they did not have last year (Drummond, Aldridge etc). Harris is out but he was shit against Bucks anyway.

I think Nets have the best player in the world, and providing him and Irving stay healthy, they will win.
 
I would be absolutely stunned if Nets went past Round 1 let alone won the whole thing. Unless Durant goes like 40/9/6 for the duration of the playoffs there are like 8 or 9 teams I would comfortably have ahead of them.
This would surprise you?

So then, after yesterday's games, we have the Bucks locked into the 2 or 3 seed, Mavs in the 3 or 4, real battle for 5/6 in the west, scramble for play-in positioning in the east and the 3-way "DODGE DURANT" sweepstakes with the bucks having to throw their last game or hope the Cs value playing the bulls more than avoiding the nets
 
Jazz are the biggest pretenders.

That's one of the biggest chokejob I've seen :lol:
I've been hoping the Dubs would hold off the Mavs for the 3 seed. Since it's being reported that the Spurs will rest all 5 starters for tonight's game (all on latest injury report) and the Pels will have secured home court for the play in if the Dubs win will probably do something similar for tomorrow's game, I think that now is a strong possibilty. Trouble is, I would much rather play the Jazz than the Nuggets in Round 1 of the playoffs. Hmm!
 
This would surprise you?

So then, after yesterday's games, we have the Bucks locked into the 2 or 3 seed, Mavs in the 3 or 4, real battle for 5/6 in the west, scramble for play-in positioning in the east and the 3-way "DODGE DURANT" sweepstakes with the bucks having to throw their last game or hope the Cs value playing the bulls more than avoiding the nets

I mean I’m not sure even Durant going supernova will get them past the first round. Their team is absolutely dire beyond him and Kyrie when he can be arsed and has by far the worst defense of all teams remaining.

I don’t think Bucks care at all about playing Nets in the first round. Everyone thought they’d dodge Heat last year and they didn’t care, they just went and swept them. They will do the same this year with Nets. Can’t imagine this going 7 and if Bucks are focused it ends in 5.
 
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They were 2cm away from defeating Bucks last season without Irving, and with Harden being either out or broken. They have now Irving, and a few good players that they did not have last year (Drummond, Aldridge etc). Harris is out but he was shit against Bucks anyway.

I think Nets have the best player in the world, and providing him and Irving stay healthy, they will win.
No, they won’t. Them staying gives them a (chance but they will still be massive underdogs against Bucks.

Bucks were still kind of trying to get there last year, winning the NBA will have given them a lot of confidence so it’s essentially a different team now. Nets have also got a year older and in case of someone like Griffin it basically means he’s gone from giving them something in the playoffs to being a liability now. Drummond doesn’t even matter, you can’t keep him on the floor against virtually any contenders in the playoffs.

Nets have absolutely zero defense whatsoever which has shown to be a big issue in the regular season and will be one you can’t get over in the playoffs. Even with Durant and Irving giving them 70-80 points a night recently they were struggling to win games. They needed a last quarter comeback against depleted Cavs in a crucial game last night to even get into 7th seed. You don’t go from this to challenging Bucks in a matter of a week.
 
This whole dodge Durant/Nets thing seems like a fans thing with the teams not really paying any attention to it
 
No, they won’t. Them staying gives them a (chance but they will still be massive underdogs against Bucks.

Bucks were still kind of trying to get there last year, winning the NBA will have given them a lot of confidence so it’s essentially a different team now. Nets have also got a year older and in case of someone like Griffin it basically means he’s gone from giving them something in the playoffs to being a liability now. Drummond doesn’t even matter, you can’t keep him on the floor against virtually any contenders in the playoffs.

Nets have absolutely zero defense whatsoever which has shown to be a big issue in the regular season and will be one you can’t get over in the playoffs. Even with Durant and Irving giving them 70-80 points a night recently they were struggling to win games. They needed a last quarter comeback against depleted Cavs in a crucial game last night to even get into 7th seed. You don’t go from this to challenging Bucks in a matter of a week.
You are seriously overrating Bucks and underrating Nets. Bucks would have been swept or at best get a couple of games if Durant had either Kyrie or a fit Harden last year. And neither team are that different this season.

Also, while Nets are just the seventh seed, they were leading the Eastern Conference before Kd got injured.
 
You are seriously overrating Bucks and underrating Nets. Bucks would have been swept or at best get a couple of games if Durant had either Kyrie or a fit Harden last year. And neither team are that different this season.

Also, while Nets are just the seventh seed, they were leading the Eastern Conference before Kd got injured.
Yeah I am overrating current champions who have been consistently great for the last 3 years while you are objective in saying a 7th seed with one of the worst defenses in the league are favorites to win it all.

I struggle to remember an awful defensive team that actually made it far in the playoffs let alone won it all. And they don’t have enough firepower anymore to overcome that. You don’t have to be amazing defensively but you cannot be like all time bad on that end. They could fluke a series due to Durant but no way they are winning it all.
 
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This whole dodge Durant/Nets thing seems like a fans thing with the teams not really paying any attention to it
Why would they, they are basically like the worst defense in the league and have zero chemistry because they haven’t played with each other all season. Of course you’d probably rather play Bulls or the 8th seed as they will be worse but I don’t think anyone will be that bothered about the Nets. I would definitely much rather play Nets than Raptors too.
 
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Yeah I am overrating current champions who have been consistently great for the last 3 years while you are objective in saying a 7th seed with one of the worst defenses in the league are favorites to win it all.

I struggle to remember an awful defensive team that actually made it far in the playoffs let alone won it all. And they don’t have enough firepower anymore to overcome that. You don’t have to be amazing defensively but you cannot be like all time bad on that end. They could fluke a series due to Durant but no way they are winning it all.
The current champions whom were on course of getting swept until both Kyrie and Harden had to be out and even then were 2cm away from losing the series?

They haven’t been consistently great for the last 3 years. They got destroyed by Miami 2 years ago and again, they would have won feck all last season if either Kyrie or Harden were fit.

You probably realize that the main reason why Nets are 7th is cause KD got injured (a second reason is cause Kyrie couldn’t play in New York). They were leading the conference before KD’s injury. If Giannis missed as many games as KD, where would have Bucks been.

Thing is, with KD and Kyrie fit, I don’t see how Bucks can stop Nets. KD in playoffs is a significantly better player than Giannis (as we have been seeing in playoffs for years including in their head to head last season) and Kyrie is the third best player in that clash. I have Nets as favorites so let’s see in a few weeks.
 
The current champions whom were on course of getting swept until both Kyrie and Harden had to be out and even then were 2cm away from losing the series?

They haven’t been consistently great for the last 3 years. They got destroyed by Miami 2 years ago and again, they would have won feck all last season if either Kyrie or Harden were fit.

You probably realize that the main reason why Nets are 7th is cause KD got injured (a second reason is cause Kyrie couldn’t play in New York). They were leading the conference before KD’s injury. If Giannis missed as many games as KD, where would have Bucks been.

Thing is, with KD and Kyrie fit, I don’t see how Bucks can stop Nets. KD in playoffs is a significantly better player than Giannis (as we have been seeing in playoffs for years including in their head to head last season) and Kyrie is the third best player in that clash. I have Nets as favorites so let’s see in a few weeks.

Let’s maybe stick to the real world as opposed to an imaginary scenario you created for Nets sweeping Bucks, as it didn’t happen. A year is also a very long time in the NBA, last year Lakers were favorites against Suns.

Giannis is 6-0 in the last six games against Durant and has turned the corner massively as a playoffs player last season. He got 50 in his last playoffs appearance against a team that is on a different planet to Nets. I won’t use the bubble to assess any team either, it was a freak playoffs that have nothing to do with the real level of most of those players and teams.

Even with KD and Kyrie back for the last few weeks Nets have got spanked against almost every half decent team over that period. They lost to Hawks despite KD scoring 55 and Kyrie getting 31, they were spanked by Grizzlies despite them getting 78 points combined, the only two times they really played well against a quality team was against Miami and Sixers. The fact they have been losing games to good teams despite getting big performances from their two guys is exactly the reason why I cannot treat them seriously as a playoffs contender, they have absolutely zero defense, cannot stop anybody. Their best defender is probably Bruce Brown. You cannot win in the playoffs with a team like this. Last year was their chance as Harden was still quite OK and they had enough offense to overcome the lack of defense, this year their defense is even worse and they don’t even have a third player capable of getting you 20 points consistently. Even if you get 40 from Durant and 35 from Irving every night (and you won’t because playoffs Irving is hugely hit and miss) that will likely not be enough when your third best offensive player is probably Seth Curry and you don’t even have a fourth player likely to score more than 10, and will stop absolutely nothing on the other end. It may get you through one series (hell, they may even beat Bucks by shooting lights out and being lucky on the other end) but it won’t give you a chance to win the whole thing.

And giving Bucks no chance against them is frankly ridiculous.
 
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Let’s maybe stick to the real world as opposed to an imaginary scenario you created for Nets sweeping Bucks, as it didn’t happen. A year is also a very long time in the NBA, last year Lakers were favorites against Suns.

Giannis is 6-0 in the last six games against Durant and has turned the corner massively as a playoffs player last season. He got 50 in his last playoffs appearance against a team that is on a different planet to Nets. I won’t use the bubble to assess any team either, it was a freak playoffs that have nothing to do with the real level of most of those players and teams.

Even with KD and Kyrie back for the last few weeks Nets have got spanked against almost every half decent team over that period. They lost to Hawks despite KD scoring 55 and Kyrie getting 31, they were spanked by Grizzlies despite them getting 78 points combined, the only two times they really played well against a quality team was against Miami and Sixers. The fact they have been losing games to good teams despite getting big performances from their two guys is exactly the reason why I cannot treat them seriously as a playoffs contender, they have absolutely zero defense, cannot stop anybody. Their best defender is probably Bruce Brown. You cannot win in the playoffs with a team like this. Last year was their chance as Harden was still quite OK and they had enough offense to overcome the lack of defense, this year their defense is even worse and they don’t even have a third player capable of getting you 20 points consistently. Even if you get 40 from Durant and 35 from Irving every night (and you won’t because playoffs Irving is hugely hit and miss) that will likely not be enough when your third best offensive player is probably Seth Curry and you don’t even have a fourth player likely to score more than 10, and will stop absolutely nothing on the other end. It may get you through one series (hell, they may even beat Bucks by shooting lights out and being lucky on the other end) but it won’t give you a chance to win the whole thing.

And giving Bucks no chance against them is frankly ridiculous.
In the real world, Nets comfortably won the two games Irving was fit. Bucks won the last match in a triller, but Nets were massively handicapped. What do you think would have happened if Middleton was out and Holiday was barely able to walk let alone run. That’s how they won.

Anyway, we are a couple of weeks from seeing this so let’s see who is right.
 
In the real world, Nets comfortably won the two games Irving was fit. Bucks won the last match in a triller, but Nets were massively handicapped. What do you think would have happened if Middleton was out and Holiday was barely able to walk let alone run. That’s how they won.

Anyway, we are a couple of weeks from seeing this so let’s see who is right.
As I said, a year is a long time. Nets are far from the team they were last year even with KD and Kyrie in simply because their depth got even worse. On the other hand, Bucks at that time where still a team with plenty to prove and you could sense they were playing under massive pressure, like they had been for the previous games following their struggles against Raptors and Heat in the seasons before where they were overwhelming favorites. The landscape has changed very significantly.
 
Are the Lakers in actual trouble?

After seeing talks about trading Westbrook or AD this offseason, I thought that it would be fun to imagine realistic trades and they have a big issue, they don't have mid size contracts to offer or young talented players. IIRC they don't even have control of this year's 1st round draft pick.

So why would anyone trade for Westbrook in exchange of good tradable contracts or young talented players?
 
So why would anyone trade for Westbrook in exchange of good tradable contracts or young talented players?
Signing Westbrook could be a way for a team to get rid of contract they didn't want. Just for discussions sake, say Draymond and Klay were traveling to a game and got hit by a bus. This decimates the team and leaves the Dubs no chance of really competing. They have a 4 year deal in place with Steph, but since they have no real chance of winning they trade Steph for Westbrook and his expiring deal (since the salaries are close to matching). They thus get away from having to pay Steph's salary for the next few years for a team that can't win and only have to pay one year of Russ.

Obviously, not going to happen but it explains the concept.
 
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Signing Westbrook could be a way for a team to get rid of contract they didn't want. Just for discussions sake, say Draymond and Klay were traveling to a game and got hit by a bus. This decimates the team and leaves the Dubs no chance of really competing. They have a 4 year deal in place with Steph, but since they have no real chance of winning they trade Steph for Westbrook and his expiring deal and get away from having to pay Steph's salary for the next few years and only have to pay one year of Russ.
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I get that but who is in that situation? Maybe the Blazers but surely there is a market for Lillard and Nurkic which makes Westbrook a foolish idea?
 
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I get that but who is in that situation? Maybe the Blazers but surely there is a market for Lillard and Nurkic which makes Westbrook a foolish idea?
Lakers thought they could get Lillard last year which I always found laughable, the package they gave away for Westbrook would have been nowhere near enough and Blazers won’t give him back for salary dump when they could get real assets from another team.
 
Are the Lakers in actual trouble?

After seeing talks about trading Westbrook or AD this offseason, I thought that it would be fun to imagine realistic trades and they have a big issue, they don't have mid size contracts to offer or young talented players. IIRC they don't even have control of this year's 1st round draft pick.

So why would anyone trade for Westbrook in exchange of good tradable contracts or young talented players?

In trouble as if they won’t compete for championship? That is probably correct for the next few years but they should be back in the playoffs next year if all are healthy and they get a couple of free agents that aren’t 35 to sign (they will have mid level exception available to them).

They lose the pick this year but starting this Summer they will be able to trade two first rounders (2027 and 2029) which will be very appealing for teams considering their best player will be like 44 then.
 
Lakers thought they could get Lillard last year which I always found laughable, the package they gave away for Westbrook would have been nowhere near enough and Blazers won’t give him back for salary dump when they could get real assets from another team.
In trouble as if they won’t compete for championship? That is probably correct for the next few years but they should be back in the playoffs next year if all are healthy and they get a couple of free agents that aren’t 35 to sign (they will have mid level exception available to them).

They lose the pick this year but starting this Summer they will be able to trade two first rounders (2027 and 2029) which will be very appealing for teams considering their best player will be like 44 then.

Yeah I was thinking about a deal that would make them competitive but I'm mistaken, there is a scenario that may suit you. A three way trade that sends picks and prospects to the Blazers while you take Westbrook, the Lakers free up space for Beal and the third team gets Lillard.

The Wolves, Hornets or Knicks could do that?
 
Yeah I was thinking about a deal that would make them competitive but I'm mistaken, there is a scenario that may suit you. A three way trade that sends picks and prospects to the Blazers while you take Westbrook, the Lakers free up space for Beal and the third team gets Lillard.

The Wolves, Hornets or Knicks could do that?

They won’t have the cap space to offer Beal a deal. I reckon the one team to watch in conversations for Lillard will be the Knicks. They will have enough assets to get it done if Blazers decide to move him on. I still reckon Blazers are going to trade their high pick for Grant and pretend everything is all right.
 
Embiid going really hard after that MVP but anyone other than Jokic winning will be wrong. Still, this is the closest MVP race we’ve had for a while and if Doncic was fine at the beginning of season it would be a 4-horse race instead of a 3-horse race too.
 
Dubs are a really poorly coached team with absolutely zero discipline and that is why they have so many sloppy games. They have absolutely no ability to close out games and Kerr is making it worse with his bizarre lineups
 
Dubs are a really poorly coached team with absolutely zero discipline and that is why they have so many sloppy games. They have absolutely no ability to close out games and Kerr is making it worse with his bizarre lineups
Kerr's rotations have always seemed a little odd to me but what's worse is that if things are going a little awry, he never seems to be able to fix it. So many times this year teams have gone on a big run, he's called a timeout, and the run has just continued when the game has restarted. Tonight's game was fairly typical and the only reason the Dubs held on was that it came down to free throws at the end and Poole (even though he couldn't hit anything else) hit those. Kerr is really good with a veteran team because they can largely coach themselves and to give him his due he does give them free rein. The trouble is this team is not all veterans and even worse if the veterans he does have are having a bad game he doesn't have the coaching chops to put things back on track. Having said all that, if Steph, Klay, Draymond and Iggy can stay injury free and can somehow put it all together for the playoffs, the Dubs have a chance. However, since they have hardly played a minute together all season it is asking a lot for them suddenly to be all on the same page at the same time. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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Lakers thought they could get Lillard last year which I always found laughable, the package they gave away for Westbrook would have been nowhere near enough and Blazers won’t give him back for salary dump when they could get real assets from another team.
Watch the Lakers trade Westbrook for John Wall :lol:
 
Embiid going really hard after that MVP but anyone other than Jokic winning will be wrong. Still, this is the closest MVP race we’ve had for a while and if Doncic was fine at the beginning of season it would be a 4-horse race instead of a 3-horse race too.
No he wouldn't. Even just from January, those 3 have still been better than Luka. Same reason Booker isn't really in the race either

And no, giving the MVP to someone other than Jokic wouldn't be wrong. Either of those 3 can win it
 
Nice ending of the rs with the Eastern Conf runner ups all trying to miss the Nets. Let Giannis take care of that likable bunch, riiiiight? :D
 
Nice ending of the rs with the Eastern Conf runner ups all trying to miss the Nets. Let Giannis take care of that likable bunch, riiiiight? :D
Bucks are not trying to avoid Nets. If they were, they would not have played all their best players in Detroit last Friday and would have had it all in their hands tonight. They will rest players against Cavs because this is the logical choice just a few days before playoffs start.
 
What happens if the Bucks finish level with the Celtics? Or if all of Bucks, Celtics and Philly are all on 51 wins?
 
What happens if the Bucks finish level with the Celtics? Or if all of Bucks, Celtics and Philly are all on 51 wins?

The Bucks have the tiebreaker over Philly - so Philly cannot get to the 2 seed now. If Boston and Milwaukee are tied, it goes to tiebreakers:

First tiebreaker is head to head, which is 2-2.
Second tiebreaker is winning your division, which both teams would do in this scenario
Third tiebreaker is conference record, and both would be at 33-19 because Milwaukee has to lose to Cleveland for the records to be equal.
Fourth tiebreaker is conference record against playoff teams - and this would favor Boston (20-13 vs. 17-16 given a loss for MIL vs. CLE). So therefore Boston would have the seed "advantage" versus Milwaukee.

Boston also has the tiebreaker over Philly - Boston would win the division based on division record.

So basically if all finish level on 51 wins then the Celtics are the 2 seed, the Bucks are the 3, and Philly is the 4. If the Bucks and Philly finish on 51 and the Celtics on 50, then it's Milwaukee 2 seed, Philly 3 seed, Boston 4 seed.
 
No he wouldn't. Even just from January, those 3 have still been better than Luka. Same reason Booker isn't really in the race either

And no, giving the MVP to someone other than Jokic wouldn't be wrong. Either of those 3 can win it
Luka has been like 30/10/10 or so for the last two months, he’d definitely be in conversation.

Jokic is ahead of Giannis and Embiid IMO. He’s had a far worse team around him, honestly the quality of players around him is lottery level and he has taken them to virtually the same number of wins as Giannis and Embiid who had far better support. He’s top 10 in points, rebound, assists and has actually been great in defense with high steals and blocks. He deserves it.