Kyrie and Love were injured?
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Doesn’t even out though when your second best player is .....JR Smith because K love was injured ? Every team the cavs beat last season on route to the final was a better team then the cavs and had better players bar 1.......LBJ. So if your telling me that Lebron James swept the east alone 1v 5 because like I said every other player in the cavs is a joke then I would say that counteracts that whole argument.
Ya without KD and vs no kyrie and dellevadova. Lebron Is a better player then MJ his impact on his team is double that of MJ. MJ left for 2 season and the bulls didn’t feel a difference winning the same amount of games. Every team Lebron leaves becomes last place on their conference.
Also keep in mind this is from a totally unbiased standpoint. My favorite players in the NBA are Steph curry and Derrick rose ( god I loved watching MVP Rose). But I can also recognize greatness when it’s right in front of me.
Lebron joined a super team in Miami with Wade and Bosh and he lost 2 finals. None of them were super teams. Miami was the most stacked team in the league. There was no Golden State back then.
AND let's not forget, when he went back to Cleveland there was a guy there named Kyrie Irving, an all star. He brought another guy to Cleveland named Kevin Love, another all star. That Cleveland team had 3 all stars. Klay wasn't an all star back then and Draymond wasn't either. Cavs were the favorites on the paper, because they had the best player on the planet with them.
Taking that Cleveland team to the finals last year was a great achievement, that's why he's in the conversation for being the GOAT. But let's not change the narrative. Since 2010 Lebron has always put himself in a situation that was suppose to be best team in the league. He got unlucky cause GSW eventually became the better team with the players they drafted. This year he went to Lakers because he knows they are in a situation that can bring players to be the best team in the league.
Bottom line, Lebron has always put himself in the best possible situation and he has lost finals that he should not have. Jordan won when he had to. So Jordan is better. Lebron is not finished yet, that can still change.
Jordan played against Michael C Hall from Cold In July.
Lebron played against Ben Shapiro.
Wilt played against this guy 18 times per year.
Lebron played against Ben Shapiro.
Wilt played against this guy 18 times per year.
LBJ was always in the conversation he is one of if not the most talented guy to ever grab hold of a basketball he was and is a phenom. That heat team was fantastic but Wade was the only other REAL star, Bosh was nice but still. Let’s not forget that heat team was coming up against a spurs team coached by the best Coach in the league with a talented team as well. The 3-1 comeback vs GSW was unprecedented and something MJ has never done in those circumstances. Lebron never had a number 2 as good as pippin was for MJ despite how great wade and kyrie are. MJ has never came up against a team as good as the warriors are.
All I’m going to say is this. Take MJ out of that Bull’s team and put Lebron James and the outcome is the same, the Bulle steam roll to the title. Put MJ in last years Cavs team or 3-1 down to a 73 win warriors and I would be willing to bet the cavs don’t go to the finals last year and the cavs don’t come back 3-1 down.
That to me gives me the answer on who the Goat is among the other things I have stated.
Wilt was a freak as well yet he is never in the Goat conversation. Larry bird as well for me one of my all time favorites his competitive nature and the Willingness to say ima take the last shot in your face and score or do something ridiculous always stands out for me.Jordan played against Michael C Hall from Cold In July.
Lebron played against Ben Shapiro.
Wilt played against this guy 18 times per year.
I also prefer him to Magic Johnson
don’t judge me ahahThat Miami team lost a final to Dallas which they shouldn't have.
The spurs team was great no doubt about it, but that wasn't a super team. The argument is that Jordan never faced a team as good as GSW, and that is true, no denying that but the spurs team wasn't a super team and Lebron lost to them. Ray Allen made the most important shot when they won which I didn't want to bring that up because Basketball is a team sport. But when the debate is about the GOAT the smallest things matter.
MJ never turned a 3-1 series around because he never had to. He never let a series go to game 7. That is the biggest achievement in LeBron's career, nobody can take anything away from it. But you make that against Jordan. He never let that situation happen. That is a positive thing for Jordan.
I mean come on. Pippen better than Wade? You do realize that Wade took a team to championship before Lebron, right? I know Shaq was there too but that was Wade's team no questions about it. How can you even say that Wade was not better than Pippen. And Kyrie is better than Pippen. He was a key part of that championship for Cleveland. He made the most important shot. Kyrie is tremendous.
The last part I agree to a part. But that doesn't make Lebron the GOAT. Again, the fact that he is that good is why he's in the conversation but in basketball you have to win. It is a team sport that has the most similarities to individual sports. Winning matters. It's not everything, that's why Lebron is better Kobe but it's very important.
Some absolute gems in here 
"MJ retiring made no difference to the bulls" bulls with jordan in the 90s=6 titles out of 6*
*MJ technically was there in 95 against the magic, but it was still a version of him that was coming back from a stop of more than a year
"Kyrie is better than Pippen" yeah
"MJ retiring made no difference to the bulls" bulls with jordan in the 90s=6 titles out of 6*
*MJ technically was there in 95 against the magic, but it was still a version of him that was coming back from a stop of more than a year
"Kyrie is better than Pippen" yeah
Some absolute gems in here
"MJ retiring made no difference to the bulls" bulls with jordan in the 90s=6 titles out of 6*
*MJ technically was there in 95 against the magic, but it was still a version of him that was coming back from a stop of more than a year
"Kyrie is better than Pippen" yeah
Yeah, that one got me too
The feck did I just read?
Kawhi booed and heckled in his return to San Antonio. Something you do not always see in the NBA but, this might be the worst I have seen for a star player returning to a former team.
I haven't seen much of it. LeBron's Cleveland return (first time) and Durant's return were both pretty toxic, though. If it is on that level then it'd be pretty bad.
i have an unhealthy amount of hate for this guy and his stupid dancing
OKC legend.
Murray with 2 points to HT, then finishes with 36.
Harden is insane!
Harden might win back to back MVPs
He drove a team with Austin Rivers and Daniel House as starters to win against a healthy Warriors, I'm in complete shock.
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"Kyrie is better than Pippen" yeah
Wait and watch till it's over.
Also there's a another out of bound called on Harden when in fact it was Green who lost the ball without Harden touching it, they've even reviewed it and kept the call.
So so true. Then people have the audacity to act as though they are so shocked he's been in the finals almost every year, conveniently forgetting the decision was supposed to lead to 7 title according to the man himself.
Damn Harden stealing the spotlight from Maple Jordan
Don't usually like the way Harden plays but tonight he was brilliant. Got to give credit where credit is due - what a performance.
Brilliant Harden aside, something does not feel quite right with this Warriors team. Most likely losing a bit of hunger they had all these years which is a natural thing to happen. Fully expect them to raise their game come playoff (three-peat was done last time by the Lakers 16 years ago and only by 4 teams in history, so that should be good enough motive by itself), but they look beatable atm and it definitely won't be a walkover like many thought. Myself included.
That Spurs - Raptors game seems scripted.
Kerr has been so bad this year. When did Klay and Steph switch roles. And why?
Also that last inbound was so daft. They had a wide open man under the rim.
Also that last inbound was so daft. They had a wide open man under the rim.
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The worst thing is they will just step it up in the playoffs and blow everyone out anyway. Normally a team needs to get into rhythm but they don't.
How long are we going to ignore the fact that Spurs have been annihiliating teams for the last month? Amazing set of results that inlcludes 13-point wins over Lakers and Utah, 38-point win over Clippers, 27-point win over Sxiers, 26-point win over Timberwolves, 8-point win over Nuggets, 11-point win over Clippers, 9-point win over Celtics and now 18-point win over Raptors. 11-3 in the last 14.
Against a series of very good teams too. Pop has them humming.
Wade was better than Pippen.
I feel/hope/foresee the Warriors won't win the NBA I am just afraid they will transform come playoffs
I am just afraid they will transform come playoffsWarriors are shit. Bar a game against Bucks, I don't remember them defeating anyone good this season, while on the other side have had many humiliating losses. Not sure that they can just switch gears come playoffs.
Harden should get the MVP award again.
Harden should get the MVP award again.
We're not even halfway in the season. Take it easy.
They aren't the same.
Draymond looks washed, and this isn't a new thing as his shooting has been gradually getting worse over the past 3 years. Klay is having a poor year and team chemistry looks off since that KD \ Draymond bust up.
Chances are come the playoffs they will probably win it (I hope they don't), but this is the final year of the Warriors dynasty IMO.
Not convinced Kerr is a great coach to be honest. Put him in any other situation that isn't the Warriors and i'm not so sure he would of won as many titles. If he had took the Knicks job for example, which he nearly did prior to GS, I think he would be back doing punditry work now.
They just don't care about regular season anymore IMO. Too much talent for them to lose a playoffs series. I hope I'm wrong.
If they don't win the title then Durant definitely leaves.
Giannis will be MVP.
Fully agree (especially part about team chemistry). Something just seem off and I also think this is the last year we'll see Warriors in this shape, or to be precise with Durant in the team. Not so sure whether that will be the final year of their dynasty as they are more than capable of having a great team even without him imo.
They will certainly rise their game come playoff, but they don't look nearly as convincing and it looks like it will be much more interesting than we all initially thought.