Randle requested to be renounced because we couldn't reach agreement on his role on the team and/or maybe some other reason (like issues with the FO). He's always been available to other teams throughout his tenure with the Lakers and was never fully appreciated by us. He would not have agreed to that amount from the Lakers, unless it was through us matching an offer, and he wasn't going to accept the QO any time soon. I'm assuming Magic and Rob weren't assed to wait on him and had prioritized other FAs. It looks like he had the Pelican's deal lined up and was waiting for us to renounce, and when we obliged, he booked it to New Orleans. It must also be noted that we don't have a good relationship with his agent, which has been rocky since DLo. Ultimately, our end game is Kawhi (or another all-star caliber player) and our moves reflect that. Although it would have been nice to retain him, he's not one to lose sleep over.
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For the Warriors, it was a good move and worth the risk (considering the price and the fact that you don't even need him at 100%), but for pretty much every other team, I think the wait and see approach was the wise decision.Boogie? Still too soon?
With Ariza leaving them, they need to get a good defender for Durant. Ariza was great in defense.
Also, Warriors had some really shit games when both Durant and Curry played bad. You cannot count on it happening again.
IT was quite positive about getting super max this season. Instead he’s struggling to get a mid-level exception, the market is really crazy this year (admittedly IT hasn’t really helped himself recently).
Free agency will be crazy again in 2020 and 2021 because that’s when a lot of terrible deals from 2016 expire.
Free agency will be crazy again in 2020 and 2021 because that’s when a lot of terrible deals from 2016 expire.
I believe the Knicks were on the shortlist of teams that Kyrie was interested in being traded too as well. Prior to the Boston move.
They were. It was New York, Minnesota, Miami and San Antonio.
I'm hearing now that Kyrie also wants to team up with Butler and play in the East. I don't think Butler to Celtics is any realistic, he has no intention of staying in Minnesota apparently (is fed up with KAT and might get traded this season so they get some value) so they would also be looking to join the same team in free agency. I think a return to Chicago is definitely possible and if not then New York becomes a possibility. Knicks can actually find a slot for three max players if they don't offer Porzingis a deal now, they'd need to offload Noah, Lee and Hardaway but with each of them only having one year remaining this should be doable.
I think Lee will be offloaded in the next few weeks, as we need 1 roster place for our 2nd round pick anyways. So he will probably be sent for draft considerations or late 2nd or something along those lines.
I think Portland could take Lee for TPE and Olshey won’t even ask for any draft considerations because he will see him as an amazing coup. The feeling of certainty about this has somewhat reduced in me though after he passed on Chandler and signed Curry and Stauskas. He would cost $30million next year including luxury taxes so it kind of makes no sense.
To get rid of Noah a first or Ntilikina would need to be attached. He can be stretched at $6million a year after this season though.
If Kyrie wants to go, should the Celtics trade him next season? Maybe use him to aquire AD?
Don't think the Pels will be trading Davis. Not this season anyway. The fact that Kyrie would probably walk in Free Agency also means that isn't a good trade for New Orleans.
Irving is not resigning in NO in a million years so it's pointless. They are basically the worst possible destination for him - small market, play in the West, have nothing outside of Davis really who they'd be trading to acquire him.
They’re going to exit the playoffs the moment they meet the Rockets/Warriors.
I’ll give it till the all star break before LeBron demands Rondo and Lance to be traded.
He’s not going to tolerate Lance’s antics and having another diva in Rondo on the team when shit inevitably happens during the season.
@Sarni What do you make of the Lillard rumours? And his tweet about being a 'happy camper'?
I don’t think he’s going anywhere now but I wouldn’t really be completely against moving him if we can get back 2-3 young players and picks.
He’s an amazing talent and a great person, Portland may not get a player like him for another 20 years but you need to be realistic about this roster. A backcourt of Dame and CJ isn’t going to win a championship or even get to the conference finals and Olshey does not have the balls to trade CJ because they are friends with Dame. Trading Dame would indicate a full rebuild for the next 4-5 seasons, trading CJ would just be retooling the team and could put it on a map but that’s simply not going to happen. We are in salary cap hell and not getting out of it anytime soon as Olshey loves his average players.
I don’t see a deal with Lakers that would make sense though. I wouldn’t mind Lonzo Ball as a player but the circus of LaVar he would be coming with is just not worth the hassle. Brandon Ingram is just about the only piece they have I would have significant interest in and that’s not enough.
Are the Knicks really going to be competitive again???
Lonzo + Ingram + future picks is not a bad deal for Blazers. Neither of them will reach Lillard's level, but both can become very good players for the next decade, and will allow Blazers to do a full rebuild.
It would also be a good deal for Lakers. They get an another superstar next to Lebron, and next year when some of the bad deals are expired, they can get someone interesting like Kawhi, or Boogie or even better, Klay Thompson (Kawhi is a better player, but Klay doesn't need the ball to do damage, and it significantly weakens Dubs).
It's a bad deal for Blazers because Lonzo comes with LaVar and it doesn't fit Portland culture. If I could have Lonzo without LaVar and Ingram for Dame then it'd be a different conversation. I still reckon you'd need to include Hart or Kuzma, I don't want the picks because if Lakers have Lillard, James and Leonard it becomes totally pointless.
Actually they'd no longer have cap space for Kawhi next year if they traded for Dame now.
I actually think Lonzo is good enough to be at Lillards level, they're just different players. Lonzo will have stat lines with something like 12p 17a 11r pretty often in the near future. If he manage to fix his shot as well, he'll be a beast. He gets way to much stick because of his father and his bad shooting. People really undervalue his floor vision, passing and defending.
You're probably right. I thought that awful Deng contract finishes next season, but apparently is on the season after that. No idea what they can do about it, but if they were planning LeBron + George + Kawhi, then they should be possible to get LeBron + Kawhi + Damo.
Nah.
LeBron + George + Kawhi was easier. They had $47million of cap space before free agency began and spent $34million on LeBron in his first year, leaving $13million. After renouncing Randle they would have taken it to $25.5million which is however still not enough to get George who will make $30.5million in his first season I think. The elephant in the room is Deng but they can waive and stretch him and remove $12million from cap space or trade him with a pick and open up full $18million. Then they can trade for Kawhi because he only makes $21million and they can make salaries work by adding third team in a trade. Would actually be easy, just take Wilson Chandler from Nuggets into your cap space and trade him along with Ingram and Kuzma immediately to Spurs (you can do that if you absorb acquired player into cap space).
The nuances of CBA and cap space are quite difficult at times though so I'm not sure how all of the above works. There's a reason why cap space experts at NBA teams make a lot of money.
Dame makes $27.8million next year and $29million in 2019-20. You can't have both him and LeBron already at the club and still get a max player.
Alright, I might have gone a little over board with that one.
I'll readjust to him being a triple double machine, with some mighty impressive stat lines, defending and playmaking.
This looks to complicated for my brain.
Doesn't the cap goes a bit higher next season too? Anyway, I have no idea if they will be able to do this. But if George was supposed to take 30.5m and Dame will get 29 m next season, then shouldn't this make the things easier (they're paying 1.5m less). Of course, Kawhi next year would get more money that this year, but weren't they planning to get him for more than 1 year anyway?
No, because Kawhi will make $33million or so the season after next season not $21million and they could allow him to pay him that because you are allowed to resign your own players for more as you get bird rights.
Basically they could afford to give him that if they had his bird rights but cannot do the same from free agency if they have Lillard.
Also Iguodala's injury had a huge impact.
Does he really go by Dame? Sounds a bit feminine.
Yeah he’s Dame.
I don’t see how Kawhi doesn’t go to Sixers in this offseason. He cannot stay at Spurs, Boston don’t seem to even want him anymore and have made all of their good players unavailable for trade, Lakers cannot be bothered and rightly so because they are better off keeping Ingram and going after free agents next year - even if they cannot get Kawhi there’s still Durant, Butler, Irving, Thompson and Cousins, any of them plus developed Ingram and Kuzma is better than just trading for Kawhi now.
The last Sixers moves all scream WE WANT KAWHI. Chandler and Bjelica as Covington and Saric replacements, Smith as a future Covington, Miami pick as an additional assets. I give it three weeks maximum.
The last Sixers moves all scream WE WANT KAWHI. Chandler and Bjelica as Covington and Saric replacements, Smith as a future Covington, Miami pick as an additional assets. I give it three weeks maximum.
Rookies are balling in the Summer League I see.
Trae Young with 10 points on 3-16 (1-8 from three) shooting in his second game and a technical, Marvin Bagley with 1 point on 0-3 shooting,
Trae Young with 10 points on 3-16 (1-8 from three) shooting in his second game and a technical, Marvin Bagley with 1 point on 0-3 shooting,
I was all happy when I read this.
https://thespun.com/news/the-rockets-are-reportedly-pursuing-one-of-the-warriors-bench-players
But then I read this.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...th-lead-them-back-to-nick-young/#7f91d53e473a
The swaggy one could be back.
https://thespun.com/news/the-rockets-are-reportedly-pursuing-one-of-the-warriors-bench-players
But then I read this.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...th-lead-them-back-to-nick-young/#7f91d53e473a
The swaggy one could be back.
@Sarni hey, look at that - you made a good move!
Kings luckily got out of jail with the Bulls being so stupid to match that offer for LaVine. What were they thinking in the first place?
Blazers with a great value contract for Nurkic.
Blazers with a great value contract for Nurkic.
Yeah that’s a good value contract and probably just about fair in this market for him. He has some deficiencies, especially on the offensive end where he often misses simple layups but is still very young at 23 and can improve.
Now we need to wait for 2020 when all the bad deals come off the books and hope that Lillard doesn’t want to leave by then. If we flip CJ for someone who suits this team better we could be in a position to build a decent roster around 2021 or so with Simons and Collins developing and potentially a few new players on board.
Ayton looked pretty good last night against Bagley and the Kings. Definitely is still struggling to do much outside the restricted area, but I expect once he's surrounded by better players (and most importantly, sharpshooters like Booker) he'll get more space to operate with the ball in his hands.
Bagley showed the good and the bad. He's so much more athletic than most big men, but he settled too often for face up mid-range jump shots instead of driving to the rim. Also left the game with a hip/groin pull - hopefully nothing too serious, as I am genuinely looking forward to watching the Kings this year as a potential League Pass team with Fox + Bagley + Bogdanovic out on the floor.
Bagley showed the good and the bad. He's so much more athletic than most big men, but he settled too often for face up mid-range jump shots instead of driving to the rim. Also left the game with a hip/groin pull - hopefully nothing too serious, as I am genuinely looking forward to watching the Kings this year as a potential League Pass team with Fox + Bagley + Bogdanovic out on the floor.
So are the Knicks getting better?
The knicks will always suck balls.
Yes. Simply by not trading first round picks and actually holding onto young players they are moving in the right direction. If they end up with a top 5 pick in next year's draft, Frank and Knox develop and KP comes back healthy they'll be in very good shape long term.
Hope so. I miss it when I waa young and used to watch Ewing, Camby, Houston, Spreewell, Childs,Starks, Johnson et all
Looks like Rockets are going after Carmelo according to Woj.
"Following the exit of Mbah a Moute on Monday, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported that the Rockets will now focus on landing Carmelo Anthony, saying they're "determined" to get him. Wojnarowski previously reported that the Oklahoma City Thunder and Anthony are expected to part ways this summer via a buyout or trade."
http://www.businessinsider.com/rock...anthony-move-hurts-warriors-challenger-2018-7
"Following the exit of Mbah a Moute on Monday, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported that the Rockets will now focus on landing Carmelo Anthony, saying they're "determined" to get him. Wojnarowski previously reported that the Oklahoma City Thunder and Anthony are expected to part ways this summer via a buyout or trade."
http://www.businessinsider.com/rock...anthony-move-hurts-warriors-challenger-2018-7