NBA 2018-2019

Enigma_87 said:
Fun - yes, but still much better team with KD in it.

KD loves to win and going to the Knicks IMO would be mental decision, they are in right mess.

4 peat on the cards will be something unprecedented and only achieved by the Celtics historically. That would boost his legacy and next year he would probably have more options to go to a team that would give him option to challenge right away.
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Giannis wins this one, beats all Durant can do in GS. They are currently 31-1 with Steph in and Durant out of the team. It just doesn't add up. You can individually look to be the most effective player in NBA, but still not the best. This is also Steph team imo, it has always been.

He has to leave. Especially now.
 
KD injury is/was a blessing for GS and im with Beam, they should play the final without him. Its very hard to do a 3peat, 4 peat is almost impossible so now without Durant they want to prove themselves to everyone once again they are a great team so that fire inside gives them a chance.
Its beyond a joke that people think they stand no chance(or even that Bucks are the favorites) without KD against the Bucks just like they thought fecking clown and his Harlem Globerockets will beat them.
 
You don’t rest Kevin Durant in the NBA Finals and yeah Bucks would easily be favorites if that happened. The difference between Bucks and Blazers is huge, if Bucks go up by 17 they won’t hide into their shell like Portland did but will keep kicking Warriors while they are on the floor.
 
Jim Beam said:
Giannis wins this one, beats all Durant can do in GS. They are currently 31-1 with Steph in and Durant out of the team. It just doesn't add up. You can individually look to be the most effective player in NBA, but still not the best. This is also Steph team imo, it has always been.

He has to leave. Especially now.
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Usually the most effective one gets the awards though which will be remembered in history. LeBron made the Lakers move but I don't think he's too happy about it now. Could easily be the same at Knicks, who are also a much worse team(and franchise as a whole currently). If KD is promised the main man and keep racking up points and rings it would be hard to argue his case. Steph is also a brilliant team mate and won't get in the way.

Sarni said:
You don’t rest Kevin Durant in the NBA Finals and yeah Bucks would easily be favorites if that happened. The difference between Bucks and Blazers is huge, if Bucks go up by 17 they won’t hide into their shell like Portland did but will keep kicking Warriors while they are on the floor.
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Cousins will be back as well providing them more options. Know he isn't that highly rated but he's miles better than Jones and would make them favorites for the tie with or without KD.

Surely KD won't be rested as they are much better team as a whole (not necessarily more entertaining one) with him.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Usually the most effective one gets the awards though which will be remembered in history. LeBron made the Lakers move but I don't think he's too happy about it now. Could easily be the same at Knicks, who are also a much worse team(and franchise as a whole currently). If KD is promised the main man and keep racking up points and rings it would be hard to argue his case. Steph is also a brilliant team mate and won't get in the way.
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I am a fan of him, but there isn't much Warriors can do to convince him. Pretty much everyone there has said that he is their best player. At the same time, it is Steph's team cause the team was built that way and it was successful that way. And of course that fans won't ever love him as much as Steph who was drafted.

He either needs to accept it, or go somewhere else.
 
Revan said:
I am a fan of him, but there isn't much Warriors can do to convince him. Pretty much everyone there has said that he is their best player. At the same time, it is Steph's team cause the team was built that way and it was successful that way. And of course that fans won't ever love him as much as Steph who was drafted.

He either needs to accept it, or go somewhere else.
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You are right of course. I like KD and a bit of fan of him, despite some of his antics, and to me moving away from GSW would have negative effect in his career. Especially considering how "fragile" he is to other people's opinion.
 
RooneyLegend said:
7-6 in the finals without him, 8-1 with him. That's all that matters at the end of the day.
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Yep, he gives them that edge. That is why everyone hopes he will leave. But, imo, he isn't the best player in the league, not doing it like this. Kawhi and Giannis are carrying their teams and remove them away they have zero chance of being where they are.

Durant can have a holiday all year, come back for the final and GSW will be there.

Just watched Raptors - Bucks, game 3. Kawhi on Giannis? I knew he could guard anyone, but this is still crazy. Saying that, Bucks are just a better team.
 
Jim Beam said:
Yep, he gives them that edge. That is why everyone hopes he will leave. But, imo, he isn't the best player in the league, not doing it like this. Kawhi and Giannis are carrying their teams and remove them away they have zero chance of being where they are.

Durant can have a holiday all year, come back for the final and GSW will be there.

Just watched Raptors - Bucks, game 3. Kawhi on Giannis? I knew he could guard anyone, but this is still crazy. Saying that, Bucks are just a better team.
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IMO this is like Messi not being the best since he had Xaviesta.

Can’t agree Giannis, Leonard or Harden are better tbh just because they play for weaker teams.
 
Enigma_87 said:
IMO this is like Messi not being the best since he had Xaviesta.

Can’t agree Giannis, Leonard or Harden are better tbh just because they play for weaker teams.
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Giannis and Kawhi are also better defenders.

Don't really know what to say about Barcelona or Messi comparasion. It really doesn't look that way to me.
 
Jim Beam said:
Giannis and Kawhi are also better defenders.

Don't really know what to say about Barcelona or Messi comparasion. It really doesn't look that way to me.
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Yeah no doubt they are better defenders, but to me KD can still be the best player in the league even playing for the Dubs, couldn’t find more appropriate comparison than the Barca one though :lol:
 
Aren't the dubs winless without Draymond Green? And by that logic, does that make Draymond the best player on the team? I say yes, it does :drool:

(But seriously, he *is* the most important player on that team, in a way. He's what makes them unbeatable, KD or not. Amplifies the talent of everyone else around him on a level i haven't seen in a long time)


Also, yeah, of course the dubs played down to the blazers level to an extent. It's also true that the blazers role players had some crazy hot hand. I mean, we've had a Seth Curry game and two Meyers Leonard games :lol:
 
giorno said:
Aren't the dubs winless without Draymond Green? And by that logic, does that make Draymond the best player on the team? I say yes, it does :drool:

(But seriously, he *is* the most important player on that team, in a way. He's what makes them unbeatable, KD or not. Amplifies the talent of everyone else around him on a level i haven't seen in a long time)
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I thought I saw some stats that with their best 5 starting at the same time KD, Steph, Klay, Green, Cousins - lost only 1 in 19 this season.
 
Enigma_87 said:
IMO this is like Messi not being the best since he had Xaviesta.

Can’t agree Giannis, Leonard or Harden are better tbh just because they play for weaker teams.
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It's crazy talk. Obviously Steph Curry is more important to the side since he is the primary ball handler and pretty much calls the plays. Any team without a great point guard if they have one is in for a tough time.
 
RooneyLegend said:
It's crazy talk.
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Crazy talk or not he ain't gettin recognition some of you feel he deserves while being on the Dubs.
And rightly so. Although, if Dubs somehow lose this one he might go packing for the Bucks.

RooneyLegend said:
Obviously Steph Curry is more important to the side since he is the primary ball handler and pretty much calls the plays. Any team without a great point guard if they have one is in for a tough time.
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Last two hystorically great teams (Bulls and Lakers) didn't have problems winning 3-peat with average/solid PG. Who is the most important player in Bucks or Raptors if you go with the route the game has change?
 
RooneyLegend said:
It's crazy talk. Obviously Steph Curry is more important to the side since he is the primary ball handler and pretty much calls the plays. Any team without a great point guard if they have one is in for a tough time.
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Ok think that Barca comparison backfired a bit :lol:

Let me try to reiterate. Whilst Steph is Dubs through and through and makes them tick, that doesn’t mean that the team become less effective with Durant in the line up and without Steph.

KD is to me the more complete player and as clutch as Curry if not more. Often the Dubs turn to him when things become tough and he has the physical frame to make him more versatile and better defensively.

At the same time they do complete each other as it gives Dubs more options in the offensive end. If it was Steph sidelined against Rockets and Blazers I have no doubt Durant would have a very strong shot at firing Dubs to the finals in similar fashion.

Obviously they bring different things to the table and whilst Curry is the more efficient shooter and ball handler, Durant is the better overall player and Curry doesn't have issue with him getting the spotlight most of the time. Durant was still MVP in two consecutive finals and if he makes a recovery in time for the third one has very good shot of repeating that feat.

I think that whose team is it is a bit beat up topic at this point - they both love playing with each other and opposed to popular view I don't believe KD stagnates Curry or vice versa. Along with Klay they compliment each other without being the ball hog types like Westbrook and Harden.

I used Barca comparison trying to showcase that Curry, like Xavi a bit, being centerpiece of the team and heartbeat of the team could still be #2 in terms of individual presence, but as a team they are on a same wavelength and the reason why GSW became a dynasty in the last couple of years. Of course feel free to disagree :)
 
Jim Beam said:
Crazy talk or not he ain't gettin recognition some of you feel he deserves while being on the Dubs.
And rightly so. Although, if Dubs somehow lose this one he might go packing for the Bucks.
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Do you mean from neutral POV or Dubs fans mate?
 
Lebron is still the best, the Lakers sucked and so he checked out.
 
Jim Beam said:
Neutral POV (huge majority at least). Dubs fans rate him a lot and don't really care how he came which is understandable.
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Yeah, that's why I asked as many rate him as their best player, despite Steph being the favorite and since lot longer.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
There is no way LeBron is better than KD at the moment
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Durant is incredible. But he's also a bottled of the highest order, and plays with 3 other elite players. Most of the top-20 players in the league would seem great in that situation. The disrespect towards LeBron is laughable.
 
Raptors having a good game so far. I hope they make it 2:2.
 
The Sikh guys who were at Old Trafford sent a contingent to the Scotia Arena. This guy has the best seats. Always see him there.
 
This was a great win for Toronto tonight but more than that I think it's a real blow to the Bucks confidence. As I've said repeatedly Milwaukee is a young team with limited playoff experience and I think based on their regular season exploits they believed they were just going to race through these playoffs kicking everyone's arse. It will be interesting to see how a little adversity affects their psyche.
 
It's interesting how, once our perimeter shooting got going, the Bucks had no answer to our offence. Danny Green took advantage of that with his smart drives in, and the whole team gained the confidence to take on the Bucks D in the paint. Our spacing was no different to before, but this time, we were driving in way more aggressively, forcing them to collapse quickly.

Game 5 will basically be a decider (regardless of whether it's in 6 or 7); if the Bucks win that game, they'll win the series. If the Raptors win it, they'll win the series. We now see what the Raptors can really offer with their aggressive drives in from their guards and their pick & rolls. Gasol and Ibaka played with more confidence and took more shots than in the past few games.

The Bucks' response will be on whether players like Brook Lopez get more perimeter shot opportunities. They need to have some pick & pops to draw our defence in like we did with Gasol. They know how much we commit ourselves to Giannis inside the paint.

This'll be a tough series for both sides. The Warriors will be perfectly set for the championship series with either the Bucks or the Raptors being more fatigued in the end.
 
Great win tonight for the Raptors, congrats @mazhar13 hope you guys can make it to the finals, want to get revenge for that blowout a few months ago :lol:
 
mazhar13 said:
It's interesting how, once our perimeter shooting got going, the Bucks had no answer to our offence. Danny Green took advantage of that with his smart drives in, and the whole team gained the confidence to take on the Bucks D in the paint. Our spacing was no different to before, but this time, we were driving in way more aggressively, forcing them to collapse quickly.

Game 5 will basically be a decider (regardless of whether it's in 6 or 7); if the Bucks win that game, they'll win the series. If the Raptors win it, they'll win the series. We now see what the Raptors can really offer with their aggressive drives in from their guards and their pick & rolls. Gasol and Ibaka played with more confidence and took more shots than in the past few games.

The Bucks' response will be on whether players like Brook Lopez get more perimeter shot opportunities. They need to have some pick & pops to draw our defence in like we did with Gasol. They know how much we commit ourselves to Giannis inside the paint.

This'll be a tough series for both sides. The Warriors will be perfectly set for the championship series with either the Bucks or the Raptors being more fatigued in the end.
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I think Kawhi not quite being 100% helped the Raps tonight. All year Toronto's biggest strength has been their depth and in these playoffs it has often seemed like Kawhi had to win games on his own. That is not where the Raptors excel and it was almost like Kawhi's problems forced the rest of the team to step up. Whether they'll be able to continue like this is the 64,000 dollar question but tonight they looked damn good.
 
Jim Beam said:
Crazy talk or not he ain't gettin recognition some of you feel he deserves while being on the Dubs.
And rightly so. Although, if Dubs somehow lose this one he might go packing for the Bucks.



Last two hystorically great teams (Bulls and Lakers) didn't have problems winning 3-peat with average/solid PG. Who is the most important player in Bucks or Raptors if you go with the route the game has change?
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Obviously cause they ran their offense through the post. Not many teams still do that. The triangle is basically obsolete at this point. The Celtics in the 80 ran a similar system which didn't require a great PG. However the Dubs do run their system with Curry like most teams have done historically when they have a great point guard. In all those teams, that point guard was more important than any other player on the court regardless of how good the other players were.

All I know is that KD is a hell of a basketball player, up there with the very best if not the best. Him playing for a very talented team doesn't take away from that. Just means like Bron he was afraid of the challenge and got desperate for titles.
 
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