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mav_9me said:
Am not that knowledgeable about basketball even though I love it. How can they defend it? Can they even defend it?

How come GS do it better? Is it that Klay/Igguadala and Green are just better perimeter defenders?
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Klay/Iggy/Green are all elite defenders able to defend multiple positions so, yes, they are more adept at defending, not just the pick and roll, but defending in general.

Leonard, who was the Portland player GS targeted on the switch, is not mobile enough to effectively guard the pick and roll, thus they were able to exploit him on the offensive end. Once they drew Leonard out of the paint, Looney, Draymond, and co. were there for an open layup since he isn't quick enough to recover in time. If Leonard had decided to drop off and not switch on the ball, Curry would have just shot the open three.
 
mav_9me said:
Am not that knowledgeable about basketball even though I love it. How can they defend it? Can they even defend it?

How come GS do it better? Is it that Klay/Igguadala and Green are just better perimeter defenders?
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It's mostly down to the individual quality that the warriors have . Draymond is crazy good with the ball in his hand and can run to the rim or make great passes which basically opens up the court as you are 4 on 3 . If you decide to not trap then Steph is left 1 on 1 and that's a big risk as well . When blazers do it the Warriors just bank on the fact that the blazer big wouldn't be able to beat them
 
ArseHat said:
Klay/Iggy/Green are all elite defenders able to defend multiple positions so, yes, they are more adept at defending, not just the pick and roll, but defending in general.

Leonard, who was the Portland player GS targeted on the switch, is not mobile enough to effectively guard the pick and roll, thus they were able to exploit him on the offensive end. Once they drew Leonard out of the paint, Looney, Draymond, and co. were there for an open layup since he isn't quick enough to recover in time. If Leonard had decided to drop off and not switch on the ball, Curry would have just shot the open three.
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The next question why have Leonard guard green and get in the pick and roll? It's the combination of green and curry that's dangerous. Get somebody else on Green who can defend the pick N roll better, maybe Evans turner? Undersized probably but not like Green will score on him.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
It's mostly down to the individual quality that the warriors have . Draymond is crazy good with the ball in his hand and can run to the rim or make great passes which basically opens up the court as you are 4 on 3 . If you decide to not trap then Steph is left 1 on 1 and that's a big risk as well . When blazers do it the Warriors just bank on the fact that the blazer big wouldn't be able to beat them
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I guess easier said than done but just cheat off green, dare him to score and cover the others. Although to be fair Draymond has been n taking it to the basket aggressively
 
@charlton66 i thought Bell and especially Looney gave really valuable contributions tonight. Great to see that depth coming through.

If KD leaves...you never want a player like that to leave your team but we are more fun without him and our record with Steph/without KD is great, with KD/without Steph not so
 
Charlie Foley said:
@charlton66 i thought Bell and especially Looney gave really valuable contributions tonight. Great to see that depth coming through.

If KD leaves...you never want a player like that to leave your team but we are more fun without him and our record with Steph/without KD is great, with KD/without Steph not so
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I think Looney will be a starter for the Dubs next year unless another team steals him away during free agency. He has made himself into an excellent defender and is also underrated on the offensive end as well. Jordan Bell on the other hand is a bit of an enigma. After his rookie year I think the Warriors had it in mind that he could possibly replace Draymond down the road if salaries got a bit too much. This year however I think he took a bit of a step back. The lad is tremendously athletic but can also be a little bit wild. I think Steve Kerr felt at times that he couldn't trust him and so I'm glad to see him get these minutes in such an important game. Personally, I really like him and hope he can rein himself in a little.

As to the KD/Steph conundrum, I've always felt that Steph was the most essential player to the Warriors. I think the majority of folks have Durant as the better player and even though I don't fall into that category I don't think there is any doubt that Steph is the most important player to this team.

As to tonight's game, I felt the Dubs kinda got out of jail a bit here. The Blazers controlled the tempo and the game for the majority of the 48 minutes and it was only because of tremendous defense in the last 4 minutes or so that the Warriors pulled this one out of the fire. I wonder how this loss will affect the Blazers as well since I'm sure that they will look at this as one that got away. I can easily see it bleeding over into game 3. We shall see!
 
What a disappointing loss. Of course it wouldn’t have mattered in the overall picture because we were losing thes series anyway because to be so close to stealing a game off of Warriors and still ending up losing is just awful feeling.
 
If Collins can't stay on the court, Portland are dead. He's the only guy they have left who has a prayer of defending the Curry-Green high pick 'n roll

At this point yeah, i'd even try Evan Turner or Harkless or Aminu on Green...can't be worse than Leonard or Kanter. Otherwise, he might start considering leaving Iggy open and daring him to beat them. Houston tried it in game 6 and Iggy beat them though...not a player i'd bet against that one

Real pity Portland is missing Nurk, would have been a completely different series, one they could have won
 
Quite rich coming from Durant to mock Blazers for dropping that game after last night when he dropped game 6 to the same Warriors team in an even worse fashion and then decided he can’t handle it anymore and joined them. :lol:
 
giorno said:
If Collins can't stay on the court, Portland are dead. He's the only guy they have left who has a prayer of defending the Curry-Green high pick 'n roll

At this point yeah, i'd even try Evan Turner or Harkless or Aminu on Green...can't be worse than Leonard or Kanter. Otherwise, he might start considering leaving Iggy open and daring him to beat them. Houston tried it in game 6 and Iggy beat them though...not a player i'd bet against that one

Real pity Portland is missing Nurk, would have been a completely different series, one they could have won
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We are dead anyway. Last night was just about whether we are going down in 4, 5 or 6. Now it’s either 4 or 5, we will not take it to 6.

Agree about Nurkic. I think we would have a chance against Durant-less Warriors with a healthy Nurk. Optimistic about next season anyway.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Amazing win . What a performance by Draymond Green . He is so underrated it's ridiculous
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I do think he's a tad overrated and overpaid, but tonight he pulled his weight so fair fecks to him.

Amazing comeback and defence from the Dubs. Their reserves also have shown the same like against Houston and when Durant returns for the finals I don't see Bucks having much chance either.
 
mav_9me said:
The next question why have Leonard guard green and get in the pick and roll? It's the combination of green and curry that's dangerous. Get somebody else on Green who can defend the pick N roll better, maybe Evans turner? Undersized probably but not like Green will score on him.
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Doesn't make sense to use drops instead of switching against great back court shooters like Klay and Steph. Blazers defence just isn't suited to the Dubs. In game one it was the same tactics, screen Steph's opposition and leave him wide open for the 3.

On the other hand the Dubs defended high on Lillard and wore him down at the end.

Watching them last night, honestly the Dubs are better individually (even without KD) and are more suited to counter their strengths than vice versa.
 
Sarni said:
We are dead anyway. Last night was just about whether we are going down in 4, 5 or 6. Now it’s either 4 or 5, we will not take it to 6.

Agree about Nurkic. I think we would have a chance against Durant-less Warriors with a healthy Nurk. Optimistic about next season anyway.
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You do have a chance to take it into 6 IMO. KD won't travel with the team for Portland and you might just nick two as they aren't that convincing on the road this season. Of course I don't see you having much chance when the tie returns to Oracle Arena and most probably KD returning for game 5 or 6.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Doesn't make sense to use drops instead of switching against great back court shooters like Klay and Steph. Blazers defence just isn't suited to the Dubs. In game one it was the same tactics, screen Steph's opposition and leave him wide open for the 3.

On the other hand the Dubs defended high on Lillard and wore him down at the end.

Watching them last night, honestly the Dubs are better individually (even without KD) and are more suited to counter their strengths than vice versa.
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This. With Nurk at least the blazers would have put greater pressure on the warriors D and above all wouldn't get crushed on the boards. Portland doesn't have the personnel to beat GSW as it is

Warriors bench actually wasn't very good tonight except for Bell(and Jerebko had that bonkers behind-the-back assist), but the blazers simply don't have the means to make them pay. If they go small they get annihilated on the boards, if they don't they get brutalized by the p&r. They should switch, but even then the warriors starting 5 will pretty much always have a miss-match somewhere...
 
giorno said:
This. With Nurk at least the blazers would have put greater pressure on the warriors D and above all wouldn't get crushed on the boards. Portland doesn't have the personnel to beat GSW as it is

Warriors bench actually wasn't very good tonight except for Bell(and Jerebko had that bonkers behind-the-back assist), but the blazers simply don't have the means to make them pay. If they go small they get annihilated on the boards, if they don't they get brutalized by the p&r. They should switch, but even then the warriors starting 5 will pretty much always have a miss-match somewhere...
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Aye good point. He would certainly changed the facet of the game, pity to miss out would've been great series.

Dubs bench I thought did their job last night and indeed Bell made good appearance.

They should try switch though, in the first game especially their defence was easily beaten.

Next two are must wins for them, but I can see it both teams having a win each for the Dubs to win it at home.
 
giorno said:
This. With Nurk at least the blazers would have put greater pressure on the warriors D and above all wouldn't get crushed on the boards. Portland doesn't have the personnel to beat GSW as it is

Warriors bench actually wasn't very good tonight except for Bell(and Jerebko had that bonkers behind-the-back assist), but the blazers simply don't have the means to make them pay. If they go small they get annihilated on the boards, if they don't they get brutalized by the p&r. They should switch, but even then the warriors starting 5 will pretty much always have a miss-match somewhere...
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We would have 100% won the game last night with Nurk, no doubt about it for me. We would have likely still lost the series against Warriors if Durant returns.

I think with a couple of good free agency moves (which will be difficult, we need to keep Hood first and foremost) and a decent draft pick plus development from Collins and Simons and provided Nurkic returns to his pre-injury form, we will be close to them without Durant. It’s a lot of ifs here but all of them are not that unlikely.
 
Sarni said:
Quite rich coming from Durant to mock Blazers for dropping that game after last night when he dropped game 6 to the same Warriors team in an even worse fashion and then decided he can’t handle it anymore and joined them. :lol:
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It's amazing how much self awareness he lacks.
 
You're so sensitive :lol:

It's shit talking before / after a game of sports. One of the sweet joys of life. Stop overanalyzing everything.
 
warriors v rockets was the real west finals. shame blazers couldnt have won and made it at least a bit more interesting.
 
Shit talking loses something when the person saying it has zero credibility though.
 
He's a guy trying to live his life while millions of strangers hang on every word he says, waiting to criticize. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
This is brutal for KD though, he really needs Blazers to win the next 2
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Yeah... These 3.25 games since he went down are showing how good they are without him. Might make him go elsewhere. Having said that blazers are without Nurkic... So who knows how it would go for the Warriors without KD against blazers with him.
 
Sarni said:
We would have 100% won the game last night with Nurk, no doubt about it for me. We would have likely still lost the series against Warriors if Durant returns.

I think with a couple of good free agency moves (which will be difficult, we need to keep Hood first and foremost) and a decent draft pick plus development from Collins and Simons and provided Nurkic returns to his pre-injury form, we will be close to them without Durant. It’s a lot of ifs here but all of them are not that unlikely.
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I feel like he is being under utilized. Or is this his role?
 
Scarecrow said:
He's a guy trying to live his life while millions of strangers hang on every word he says, waiting to criticize. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.
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He’s a guy who created burner Twitter accounts to praise and defend himself.
 
Bucks are amazing and I will have zero problem supporting them in the Finals. Have a soft spot for them and Giannis, and I did wear their shirt to Staples Center when they were playing Lakers so I’m a bit of a closet Buck.

Big game for Portland tonight. Shame about Game 2 because otherwise tonight we could be making things very complicated for the Warriors.
 
Why does it say start time of 9 and its 914 without the game? I don't get it.
 
Klay having an off night. Portland playing well, Zach Collins makes such a huge difference

Also very magnanimous of Kerr to go with lineups that allow Kanter to play :lol:

Edit: Meyers Leonard just killed the warriors in the second qtr :lol::lol::lol:

Btw, seriously, if zach collins ever learns how to control all that aggressiveness on defence and becomes a reliable 3-point shooter, he's gonna become a star. Man plays like he's john wick and the ball and everybody wearing jerseys of a different color just killed his dog
 
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This loss will be on Kerr , he has this habit of trying to be oversmart and it backfires a lot . Without Kd warriors don't have the margin of error on the road to play rubbish lineups . That Jones decision set the tempo completely wrong and then the second quarter lineup after the warriors had got it level just killed the team
 
Steve Kerr was a very good shooter and in his NBA career definitely had his moments. However, during that career he was a perennial back up and because of this he really buys into the "strength in numbers" credo that the Warriors espouse. Sometimes it helps as in game 6 in Houston where the bench really did its part. Sometimes it's not so good.
 
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