NBA 2016-17

Really a shame that Rondo is injured. He was playing at his highest level for years, and the Bulls were actually starting to click with Wade, Rondo and Butler all in the line-up. At least in the first two games of the series.

If the Celtics win tonight, I'm pretty sure they win it in 6. And I'm afraid they're gonna take it tonight.
 
I think it will go to 7 but I think they could do it.

He wasn't great and he contributed to the loss in part but he is a long way down the list of reasons. Unlike game 2 where he was much more at fault and Harden outplayed him. He tried to post up Beverley too much, definitely. Other than that and some bad 3s (which he had to take) I don't think he was that bad.
Yeah tonight he was better than Harden to say the least, Nene, Williams, and Gordon made the difference at the end imo.
 
I mentioned this before, but Westbrook doesn't have the tough shot making ability of say a Kobe, Bird, MJ, or AI; he needs to learn how to create space for his shots better. His shot selection in the last minute was horrible.

OKC just blew this game by playing Roberson as long as they did and not fouling after Russ' 3. Bonehead decisions. Roberson must feel like shit, knowing you're the reason your team lost because you could only hit 2-12 from the line while Houston's bench was absolutely losing it after each miss. How a guard shoots so poorly from the stripe, I will never know.

Harden's clever and savvy, and I don't blame him for "drawing" those fouls, but the league needs to look at it closer. Not just him, but in general, the amount of foul calls on the perimeter, particularly when taking 3's, has been ridiculous. Yes, the number of 3's taken in today's game dwarfs that of the past, but before, it was a rarity to see a foul call on a 3. Nowadays there's several foul calls per game, many drawn by embellishing, or initiating the contact and flailing your arms.
 
Last night after scoring 14 in the fourth quarter, Steph Curry was asked about his role during the game and specifically taking over at the end of it. This is what he said:

“Yes,” Curry agreed, “but you’ve got to do it in the right way. You’ve got to do it in the scheme of how we’re going to be successful as a team. It’s not necessarily hero ball. It’s being aggressive and knowing the spot that you have, you might need to force the issue. That might not be taking a shot. It could be trying to get your feet in the paint and being able to make a play, defensively trying to assert yourself. Whatever the game kind of calls for, being ready for those moments. Not only myself, but everybody, I think, that stepped foot on the floor felt the moment in their own way and took advantage of it.”

There are players out there (no names mentioned) who should perhaps take heed.
 
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I mentioned this before, but Westbrook doesn't have the tough shot making ability of say a Kobe, Bird, MJ, or AI; he needs to learn how to create space for his shots better. His shot selection in the last minute was horrible.

OKC just blew this game by playing Roberson as long as they did and not fouling after Russ' 3. Bonehead decisions. Roberson must feel like shit, knowing you're the reason your team lost because you could only hit 2-12 from the line while Houston's bench was absolutely losing it after each miss. How a guard shoots so poorly from the stripe, I will never know.

Harden's clever and savvy, and I don't blame him for "drawing" those fouls, but the league needs to look at it closer. Not just him, but in general, the amount of foul calls on the perimeter, particularly when taking 3's, has been ridiculous. Yes, the number of 3's taken in today's game dwarfs that of the past, but before, it was a rarity to see a foul call on a 3. Nowadays there's several foul calls per game, many drawn by embellishing, or initiating the contact and flailing your arms.

Kind of. But, I mean, he was a defensive monster on Harden and has been all series. Thunder probably wouldn't have had a chance to win if it wasn't for him too. But he is terrible at the line. He's changed his form over the last few months and while it has helped his 3-point shot it has hurt his FTs.

The Rockets bench reaction was a little rich considering Capella is also dreadful and most of them played with Howard last year and he is also terrible.
 
Kind of. But, I mean, he was a defensive monster on Harden and has been all series. Thunder probably wouldn't have had a chance to win if it wasn't for him too. But he is terrible at the line. He's changed his form over the last few months and while it has helped his 3-point shot it has hurt his FTs.

The Rockets bench reaction was a little rich considering Capella is also dreadful and most of them played with Howard last year and he is also terrible.
He's a good defender, but Harden's still been able to get his this series except for today where he was more held in check. There's no excuse for a guard to be that poor from the line, though.

Yea, the Rocket's bench was petty, but it was abysmal shooting, during a crucial juncture too. Even DJ shot better than his FT average the other night, and knocked down some key FT's in the 4th. Bottom line, you gotta do better than 2-12, otherwise, you're a liability.
 
He's a good defender, but Harden's still been able to get his this series except for today where he was more held in check. There's no excuse for a guard to be that poor from the line, though.

Yea, the Rocket's bench was petty, but it was abysmal shooting, during a crucial juncture too. Even DJ shot better than his FT average the other night, and knocked down some key FT's in the 4th. Bottom line, you gotta do better than 2-12, otherwise, you're a liability.

He is better than good. The fact that Harden has still been so great says more about him than it does Roberson. It would have been far worse with a more limited defender on him.

Yeah he had to do better, it was disappointing. I think Donovan should have taken him out though. Just give Westbrook the responsibility of guarding Harden for two minutes until you can bring Dre back in.

He actually shot 70% in his first or second season I think. As I said, he changed his form which helped his 3s but messed up his free-throws. I guess you would still take it but it hurt today. I'm actually surprised more teams haven't hacked him. I expect Houston to employ it again if they need it - but I don't think they will.

Does anyone think they will look at the Harden fouls in the offseason? Similar to the KD 'rip through' a few seasons ago. I personally don't have an issue with them being fouls and I admire Harden (to a degree) for being so smart and crafty. My issue is that 90% of the time it looks to occur before the shot.
 
Kind of. But, I mean, he was a defensive monster on Harden and has been all series. Thunder probably wouldn't have had a chance to win if it wasn't for him too. But he is terrible at the line. He's changed his form over the last few months and while it has helped his 3-point shot it has hurt his FTs.

The Rockets bench reaction was a little rich considering Capella is also dreadful and most of them played with Howard last year and he is also terrible.
They're bigs and not a 3 & D player like Robertson is supposed to be. Guards that can't make free throws at a decent rate really needs to question themselves what they heck they're doing with their career.
 
They're bigs and not a 3 & D player like Robertson is supposed to be. Guards that can't make free throws at a decent rate really needs to question themselves what they heck they're doing with their career.
Indeed. If they take one or two extra hour each day training the free shots, they will likely reach some respectable level. It isn't that hard, for Gosh sake. I wasn't a professional player and consistently had around 1 FT made for 2 shots, which is better than Roberson.

Lakers hired a coach to help Shaq with free throws and his accuracy went from high forties to seventies or so. But then he stopped, and refused to do the extra work cause that was beneath him and suddenly his accuracy went down again.

Like most of things, it is training. Of course, reaching Nash level of accuracy is impossible for the vast majority of player, but reaching 60% or so isn't that hard.

Ironically, James is struggling with free throws this season. He is shooting just 55% in playoff and if I am not mistaken was on low sixties during the season. Hack a James in the next series perhaps?! Would love to see it happening and James losing cool.
 
Indeed. If they take one or two extra hour each day training the free shots, they will likely reach some respectable level.
True. Also, if you spent 5 seconds each day you will realize that it isn't free kicks, or free shots, but free throws!

It isn't that hard, for Gosh sake. Just messing mahn
 
Regarding the Bulls-Celtics series, I have made it clear before that I'm a bulls fan here :D

I can clearly say this series is more and more proving how Fred is limited in his coaching abilities and decision. He was good at first 2 games when concentrating under the rim and rebounds but once Brad changed the play style to shooting 3s instead of driving to the paint, Fred was fecked. He didn't do anything and didn't even give any instructions to the players to close on their 3 pts shooters. In each attack there was at least one or 2 of their players completely free to shoot 3s fairly easily. No response at all from Fred and his players leading to Celtics dominating easily. Frustrating and idiotic.

Also I had many complaints about players but really, really can't withstand MCW and Mirotitc. They both aren't just useless on the court, they destroy us completely when playing, one with his shite passes and stupid turn overs he does in everyone of our fecking attack. Can't understand how is this considered a PG ffs. Jimmy will be even better as a PG than him LOL. Canaan is useless at PG but at least he doesn't ruin the rhythm of our attack! the other one with absolute shite 3 pts he try to do in everyone of our attack and he don't even hit it. He needs 10 shots to score one and this one mayn't even enter, him taking the shot immediately means the attack has converted to Celtics side and we should be ready to receive their fast break! Niko had always been a hit or miss player. He can appear as the greatest SG ever in one game and next game lead to a miserable lose. Such kind of players have no use in playoffs. His mistakes can be compensated in regular season but not in a series in which each win means a lot. Fred is also to take to the blame. FFS why give all these minutes to them especially Mirotitc who played most of the game despite his horrible performance ??

Passing this series will be a miracle now with the Fred being exposed without Rondo.
 
They're bigs and not a 3 & D player like Robertson is supposed to be. Guards that can't make free throws at a decent rate really needs to question themselves what they heck they're doing with their career.

Does it really matter? A free throw is a free throw. It isn't a difficult skill really. Bigs, smalls, forwards, guards...everyone should be able to make them.
 
Does it really matter? A free throw is a free throw. It isn't a difficult skill really. Bigs, smalls, forwards, guards...everyone should be able to make them.

It does matter. With large hands it's more difficult to be accurate, which is why players like Drummond or DeAndre Jordan will always have a low percentage because the technique for them is much more difficult than it is for a small guard.
 
Does it really matter? A free throw is a free throw. It isn't a difficult skill really. Bigs, smalls, forwards, guards...everyone should be able to make them.
True.

Thing is though it's a lot more to do with the pressure of the situation. Every pro basketball player can hit 80-90 odd percent in warmup but it's a lot different psychologically and some are just a bit prone to succumbing under the pressure both from the occasion and the opposition as well. A lot of poor FT shooters have said the same.
 
Does it really matter? A free throw is a free throw. It isn't a difficult skill really. Bigs, smalls, forwards, guards...everyone should be able to make them.
Yeah it matters. Shaq once said that because of the size of his hands, it's like trying to score with a tennis ball for him.
 
True.

Thing is though it's a lot more to do with the pressure of the situation. Every pro basketball player can hit 80-90 odd percent in warmup but it's a lot different psychologically and some are just a bit prone to succumbing under the pressure both from the occasion and the opposition as well. A lot of poor FT shooters have said the same.

I remember watching DeAndre Jordan in practice before Portland game, he hit three in a row and I was thinking to myself 'why can't he do this during the game?'. Then he missed another five.
 
Shaqtin' A Jewel (I'm taking credit or blame for that btw). Over the 105 minutes of the Blazers series when JaVale McGee has been on the bench, Portland has outscored Golden State by four points. In McGee's 39 minutes on the court, Golden State has outscored Portland by an astounding 51 points. :cool:
 
Shaqtin' A Jewel (I'm taking credit or blame for that btw). Over the 105 minutes of the Blazers series when JaVale McGee has been on the bench, Portland has outscored Golden State by four points. In McGee's 39 minutes on the court, Golden State has outscored Portland by an astounding 51 points. :cool:
The other day i was watching the game. GSW were down by some 15 and Javal came off the bench, and he had a few dunks and the momentum started shifting and GSW starting scoring. He has played very well this series. Shows the importance of a big man even after having such good shooters.
 
The Utah Joez with a great win, even with the injuries of both teams this is a great series.
Too bad that whoever goes through will probably be swept by the clippers.
 
Poor Russ. You can see why at times he chooses to shoot so much. Houston's bench is ridiculous, Gordon, Williams, and Nene. Can't believe anyone actually thinks the OKC support cast is in the same stratosphere. Some interesting matchups in the first round but you can't help feeling it's all leading up to Cavs-Warriors again.
 
Yeah it matters. Shaq once said that because of the size of his hands, it's like trying to score with a tennis ball for him.
Not sure that I would really buy this. I doubt that there is a big difference in the size of hands of Shaq/Jordan/Howard and the likes of Gasol bothers, Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki who were very good at it. The thing is that Shaq/Jordan/Howard are actually terrible at shooting from anywhere which is more than 3 meters from the basket. If it was the size of the hands, then all big players would be suffering from it but that is hardly the case. In fact nowadays that everyone can shoot, you see the modern centers and power forwards (Cousin, Davis, KAT, Love) who are quite good at shooting from everywhere including free throws (5 seconds per day of thinking). The thing is that the likes of Shaq and co. weren't very skilled in the game. They just happened to be stronger and bigger than everyone else and so overwhelmed them but they weren't much skilled. I could have probably defeated Shaq one on one if we weren't allowed to shoot within 4 meters from the basket.

For guards, being useless at free throws is extra unexplainable. Guards are supposed to be able to shoot.
 
Not sure that I would really buy this. I doubt that there is a big difference in the size of hands of Shaq/Jordan/Howard and the likes of Gasol bothers, Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki who were very good at it. The thing is that Shaq/Jordan/Howard are actually terrible at shooting from anywhere which is more than 3 meters from the basket. If it was the size of the hands, then all big players would be suffering from it but that is hardly the case. In fact nowadays that everyone can shoot, you see the modern centers and power forwards (Cousin, Davis, KAT, Love) who are quite good at shooting from everywhere including free throws (5 seconds per day of thinking). The thing is that the likes of Shaq and co. weren't very skilled in the game. They just happened to be stronger and bigger than everyone else and so overwhelmed them but they weren't much skilled. I could have probably defeated Shaq one on one if we weren't allowed to shoot within 4 meters from the basket.

For guards, being useless at free throws is extra unexplainable. Guards are supposed to be able to shoot.
Shaq's problem was that he was lazy and the older he got and the more pounds he packed on the worse it got. However, you shouldn't underestimate what a supremely gifted athlete he was. In the 90s and early 2000s he was virtually unstoppable one-on-one. If he'd have had any sort of work ethic as well, you could have probably added at least a couple more Championships to his trophy cabinet. As to you defeating Shaq in any sort of contest when he was at his peak, no offense here, but he would have squashed you like a bug. He was fast, and for 7 foot plus supremely agile. Because of his later years and the tonnage he packed on he often gets massively underestimated. He is probably the best pure big man I have ever seen and (since I didn't see Wilt) it's not even close
 
People think shooting free-throws is so easy. I play basketball regularly and I have friends that I play with the couldn't make 3 out of 10 to save their lives despite practicing them. I really don't like it when people say there is no excuse for being bad at it. Dwight Howard practices and practices his free throws and still shoots a poor percentage. The idea that players can just magically get better is wrong.
 
Shaq's problem was that he was lazy and the older he got and the more pounds he packed on the worse it got. However, you shouldn't underestimate what a supremely gifted athlete he was. In the 90s and early 2000s he was virtually unstoppable one-on-one. If he'd have had any sort of work ethic as well, you could have probably added at least a couple more Championships to his trophy cabinet. As to you defeating Shaq in any sort of contest when he was at his peak, no offense here, but he would have squashed you like a bug. He was fast, and for 7 foot plus supremely agile. Because of his later years and the tonnage he packed on he often gets massively underestimated. He is probably the best pure big man I have ever seen and (since I didn't see Wilt) it's not even close

Nah, no need to make defense against him. He wouldn't be able to score with those rules I set (no shots within 4 meters from the basket) :drool:
 
Not sure that I would really buy this. I doubt that there is a big difference in the size of hands of Shaq/Jordan/Howard and the likes of Gasol bothers, Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki who were very good at it. The thing is that Shaq/Jordan/Howard are actually terrible at shooting from anywhere which is more than 3 meters from the basket. If it was the size of the hands, then all big players would be suffering from it but that is hardly the case. In fact nowadays that everyone can shoot, you see the modern centers and power forwards (Cousin, Davis, KAT, Love) who are quite good at shooting from everywhere including free throws (5 seconds per day of thinking). The thing is that the likes of Shaq and co. weren't very skilled in the game. They just happened to be stronger and bigger than everyone else and so overwhelmed them but they weren't much skilled. I could have probably defeated Shaq one on one if we weren't allowed to shoot within 4 meters from the basket.

For guards, being useless at free throws is extra unexplainable. Guards are supposed to be able to shoot.

 
If he'd have had any sort of work ethic
That's the only thing that stopped him from actually challenging Jordan as the GOAT or at least being thereabouts, absolutely unguardable at his prime which was fairly long, and one of the most gifted athletes ever.
but he would have squashed you like a bug.
:lol:
He is probably the best pure big man I have ever seen and (since I didn't see Wilt) it's not even close
Yep, no contest.
 
People think shooting free-throws is so easy. I play basketball regularly and I have friends that I play with the couldn't make 3 out of 10 to save their lives despite practicing them. I really don't like it when people say there is no excuse for being bad at it. Dwight Howard practices and practices his free throws and still shoots a poor percentage. The idea that players can just magically get better is wrong.
Agreed.

It's akin to wondering why a player like Messi has missed so many penalties, why not just practice it and be better - the game at a standstill invites massive amount of pressure and it comes down to a mental block a lot of times. Plus, like you said, it isn't child's play that comes naturally to anyone just by practicing.
 
And the "they should hit their free throws" disguises the major issue. Fouling intentionally off the ball should not be a viable strategy. It is a loophole that has been abused and it should be fixed. Especially since it can completely kill the game. Playing tag on a player in the backcourt is not basketball.
 
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And the "they should hit their free throws" disguises the major issue. Fouling intentionally off the ball should not be a viable strategy. It is a loophole that has been abused and it should be fixed. Especially since it can completely kill the game. Playing tag on a player in the backcourt is not basketba
They should give teams the option to take the ball side-out.
 
He actually shot 70% in his first or second season I think. As I said, he changed his form which helped his 3s but messed up his free-throws. I guess you would still take it but it hurt today. I'm actually surprised more teams haven't hacked him. I expect Houston to employ it again if they need it - but I don't think they will.
Looking at his stats, he shot 70% his rookie season on 0.3 attempts per game which is a small sample size. Then 48%, 61%, and 42% respectively. His career FT average is less than 50%. He's also only shooting 26% from deep for his career (shot 25% this season). His form doesn't look terrible, though, so like with most players who shoot poorly, it has to be partly mental.

Poor Russ. You can see why at times he chooses to shoot so much. Houston's bench is ridiculous, Gordon, Williams, and Nene. Can't believe anyone actually thinks the OKC support cast is in the same stratosphere. Some interesting matchups in the first round but you can't help feeling it's all leading up to Cavs-Warriors again.
I think it's mostly the system and coaching. Houston's team is built around Harden, whereas OKC's was set up for KD, but the gap between the quality of players isn't ginormous, in fact, many preseason reports projected OKC to have a better season than Houston (some were posted a few pages back). On paper, Oladipo, Adams, Kanter, and Taj are good role players.

The thing is that the likes of Shaq and co. weren't very skilled in the game. They just happened to be stronger and bigger than everyone else and so overwhelmed them but they weren't much skilled.
As Stephen A. Smith would say, "that's blasphemous!" You need to watch some film of him in the 90's to early 2000's and not remember him for his days as a Cav, Sun, or Celtic. He wasn't just pure brute force; he had a whole repertoire of moves: he could back you down at will, utilize the drop step, he had the baby hook, a nasty spin move (aka Black Tornado), the Dream Shake, he could dribble the ball as good as anyone for his size, had the quickness of a guard (especially in the 90's), very underrated passer, etc. He played in an era ruled by centers (Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Zo, et al.) and still dominated. Sure, he wasn't as silky smooth as The Dream, or have the perimeter game of a Ewing, but inside the paint, he was unstoppable while constantly being double/triple teamed. He was also fouled like nobody's business, but since he was the biggest, they weren't called.

I didn't like that he wasn't fully committed to basketball, using the regular season, not training camp/preseason, to get into shape. He didn't take himself seriously and liked to joke around (not really a negative), but he always delivered when it mattered. You don't carve out a two decade career, playing around a decade as the best in your position, without being skilled. They changed the rules because of him. MDE.
 
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