That's the issue with Curry though, isn't it? He's only the best in the world, or near his best, when he's on the top of his game. When he isn't hitting threes it's not like he's doing a whole lot else. Someone like Durant impacts that game in a lot of ways. At least that's how I see it from my limited experience of watching the NBA.
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I think this is the one where Cavs take this.
Without Curry the Warriors are a very good team, but when Curry is fully fit and on song they are up there with the all time greats. When he's hitting his threes and/or penetrating to the basket defenses just don't know what to do with him. It usually ends up with some sort of double team which then opens the floor up for everyone else to get uncontested or relatively uncontested shots. The SBDS (line up) has been killing teams all year by overwhelming them with speed, ball movement and a barrage of made shots leading to mistakes/turnovers/teams getting flustered etc.... In this series because Curry is a little off/not fit/whatever/ it's getting killed because when the shots are not falling for him, the spacing is not there for everyone else and with a bunch of short guys on the floor they are getting killed on the boards leading to fast breaks and quick points for OKC which is exactly the opposite of the way it's supposed to work. Curry is not just about threes, he's also probably got the best handles in the game. He's led the league in steals for the last two years and is also a great passer which once again the small line up benefits from when he's double teamed and finds the open man. I love Kevin Durant, I think he's one of the best players in the game but I believe Curry impacts the game more than anybody else in the NBA just by being on the floor.
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Boo, hiss.Yeah its a wrap I think, Lowrys obviously spent at this point.
Ahh well, come on OKC
KMAAARNN Lebron. What a win.
For me Durant is the best player in the league, he is the best scorer, has handles and he is a very good defender. Can lead a team as he showed in his MVP season. Followed by Curry who is something we have never seen before in terms of his mix of talents and then lebrun who has been doing this for over 10 + years, great run of any player ever I would say (MJ took a break).
OKC to close out tonight. Okc vs Cavs will be great. KD vs LBJ again.
OKC to close out tonight. Okc vs Cavs will be great. KD vs LBJ again.
Shame that Curry won with a team that hadn't ever won before, while Lebron needed to go to the champions in order to won. And even there, he lost as much as he won.
James is the most overrated player ever. People think that he's Jordan, but he struggles to win. If he was half as good as people think that he is, he would have had more than 2 rings so far.
Stupid comparison, it's about the players not the teams. What does the Warriors' history have to do with their ring last year? Nothing. Steph's supporting cast was amazing last year, which is proven by the fact he wasn't even their MVP in the Finals. James didn't go to the champions either btw, he went to an average team and made 4 straight Finals appearances with them.
No one thinks he's Jordan ffs
Only player with 6 straight Finals appearances except for the 50-60 Celtics though. Half his team was injured last year yet he single handedly made it a series against the Warriors. I don't like James but he's still the best in the league. I guess you could make a point for Curry as well but not with the arguments you brought forward.While this is true, I think a lot of people hold it against him (me included) for leaving the team that drafted him in search of a ring. Virtually all the true greats won a Championship with their original team before moving on. Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Bird, Russell, Isiah, West, Kobe, Duncan, Curry (I'm going to put Steph on the list since this is my post and I believe it
), etc... Even Wilt and Oscar Robertson who were traded and then won titles get somewhat of a pass since Wilt was traded because the Warriors were in dire financial straits and moved him for the money and Robertson was traded because it was rumored that the relationship between him and Bob Cousy (the coach of the Royals at the time) had soured to such an extent that he had to go. Oscar made it clear at the time that he wanted to stay in Cincinnati. If Lebron can now win a title with Cleveland it will mitigate the situation somewhat for me but even then it's not like he's playing with a bunch of scrubs and leading them to glory. While he was on his little beach trip in Miami, Cleveland managed to accumulate 3 number 1 overall draft picks and a couple more top 5 first rounders due to the mess he left them in. In addition Dan Gilbert has also dipped into the free agent market to further assemble a team for him to win. For 2016 the Cleveland Cavaliers have by far the highest payroll in the League.I suppose what a lot of it boils down to is I just don't like the guy for what he did to the Cavs first time around. I know I should be able to get past "the decision." But what a shithead thing to do to your hometown team.
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First bolded part: just shows you how he can instantly change a team from perennial losers to championship contenders. And yes, the likes of Kobe and Duncan stayed with their team but Kobe had Shaq, Duncan had an excellent supporting cast as well throughout his career with Robinson, then Parker and Ginobili and now Leonard... Even Jordan was surrounded with fellow HOFers, but I feel like Cleveland failed to surround James with proper support - an over the top Shaq, the likes of Mo Williams and Ilgauskas who were good but nothing special, ... No one can win a ring on his own.While this is true, I think a lot of people hold it against him (me included) for leaving the team that drafted him in search of a ring. Virtually all the true greats won a Championship with their original team before moving on. Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Bird, Russell, Isiah, West, Kobe, Duncan, Curry (I'm going to put Steph on the list since this is my post and I believe it
I suppose what a lot of it boils down to is I just don't like the guy for what he did to the Cavs first time around. I know I should be able to get past "the decision." But what a shithead thing to do to your hometown team.
Second bolded part: I agree, don't like him either for what he did with The Decision. He'll get his revenge if he gets a ring with Cleveland, he got unlucky last year when he met one of the greatest teams of all-time with a banged-up supporting cast. Even if you don't like him though, it's hard to argue against him still being the best player in the league imo.
First bold: That's kind of my point in that when Jordan went to the Bulls he wasn't surrounded with HOFers but they built that team from draft picks and free agency and it didn't happen overnight. MJ didn't win a title for his first (six?) years. Same with Curry. To me, Lebron kind of chickened out and left with his tail between his legs. He should have stayed and turned the Cavs into a Champion instead of "decisioning".
Second bold: I suppose that's fair, although as I've said before I'd choose Curry (possible Warriors fan bias - not quite sure. It's hard to tell if you're biased, if you're biased so to speak).
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Good start by Thunder, they're on fire.
I love the Thunders energy.
Cameron Payne is the most annoying motherfecker around.
Please god don't let GSW win this.
Just started watching. My god that's a terrible box score for KD.
He hasn't been that bad tbh, good energy and Defense, just not shooting the ball really well.
Seems like Roberson is going to get ejected, for some reason I can't stop feeling that the Thunders will bottle it.
Yeah it was similar in game 4; okay shooting but brilliant energy and great defence.
Although he's on 3 fouls now, and so are most of the starters, this could be trouble in 4th quarter. And 5 on Roberson. Maybe Billy goes big for the late possessions?
It's going to be troublesome for sure, I have to say I never liked Westbrook before but you have to admire his effort and hustle, I'm starting to like him.
I love the guy, he's my favourite pointguard since Nash (even though they're almost nothing alike).
They are like the exact opposites, but yeah Westbrook isn't so bad, no one gives me more negative vibes than Green though, I just dislike the guy and the way he acts.
They pretty much opposites, but I said "almost" because they're both assist machines. At least this current iteration of Russ.
Agreed about Green though. I'm pretty sure every non-Warriors fan feels the same way. He's the Diego Costa of the NBA.
ffs Thompson is so damn good
Lebron carried one of the worst teams ever to make the finals (the Iverson led Sixers and the Ewing-less Knicks come to mind), and past the Pistons at their 2000's peak in one of the single most dominant playoff performances ever. It was like Reggie Miller vs the Knicks that one year.
That said, the one thing I'd hold against him other than 'taking his talents to South Beach' was the finals Miami lost to the Spurs where he was just flat. There were rumors of personal problems, but an all-timer wouldn't let that happen.
Most exciting player in the league for my money.
OKC needs to put this to bed. An odd thing to say about a team that was up 41 points once, but a game 7 would be nervy.
This is intense.
Fecking hell these threes. Thompson ain't skeered (in the local parlance).
KD shitting the bed is making this closer than it should be. Choking pretty hard right now.
This is just great. Bof teams played hard my man
Feck sake come on OKC!!
It's over.
What a game!
What in God's name was that last turnover?
Incredible bottling job by Thunder. Can't see them winning in Oakland now, the series are pretty much over.
Woohoo!
Ban the three-point shot.
Boom.