Nba 2011-2012

Westbrook had one FTA going into the 4th quarter in the last game. 1. That's despite driving to the rim nearly every time he touched the ball. He got leveled numerous times and no call. Then there was Fisher running over Lebron(:lol: yeah, right) and Harden getting a foul for being pushed by Lebron. Westbrook was pushed while shooting and should have gotten And 1. Harden got pushed on the fast break he missed the layup on. It's just gutless on the refs' part.
 
Haven't years supporting United told you that conspiracies surrounding referees always befall the favourites, who are in turn the most hated, which in turn creates a lot of bullshit?

Nothing wrong with James. Never been in trouble with drugs and/or women as far as I can tell. The bullshit surrounding his move to Miami was uncalled for, admittedly, but apart from that I don't see the problem with him. Some people just love to despise greatness.

I don't know about any occurrence of a refs cheating in the EPL, but there have been several instances of refs cheating in the NBA, so it's a somewhat different situation.

There's also the odd fact that, before Tim Donaghy was fired for gambling on games after some extremely suspicious behavior in the infamous Suns-Spurs series, 4 of the NBAs refs all attended the same high school. Joe Crawford, Ed Malloy, Mile Callahan, Tim Donaghy all went to Cardinal O'Hara High School in Philadelphia. Hard to believe they all just happened to be some of the very best refs in the world, and a group of friend, I would think, is more likely to agree to conspire to cheat.

I won't pretend I know that they've cheated or are cheating, but I personally have a very, very hard time believing such extreme inequity in the calls is all down to human error or unintentional bias.

I stopped watching basketball years ago because I was tired of this sort of referee favoritism ruining the competition, and since I started watching it again I've been taking it all with a grain of salt.

I hope I'm wrong, and I take an agnostic attitude to the issue in the end, but I can't help but feel my theory that things at times have been amiss has ground to stand on.
 
Haven't years supporting United told you that conspiracies surrounding referees always befall the favourites, who are in turn the most hated, which in turn creates a lot of bullshit?

Nothing wrong with James. Never been in trouble with drugs and/or women as far as I can tell. The bullshit surrounding his move to Miami was uncalled for, admittedly, but apart from that I don't see the problem with him. Some people just love to despise greatness.

Your example is not comparable to the favouritism in the NBA. Any neutral observer knows that any allegations about referees supporting favourites in the Premier League is bollocks, many of the refs are in essence just plain shit and make bad decisions that get highlighted when a big team gets a wrong decision going their way, but when a bad decision goes against the big team nobody gives a shit or talks about it anymore.

However sometimes you can clearly see a distinct difference, such as the two titles Juventus won before the Italian football scandal in 2006. I watched nearly every single Juventus match during the two seasons they "won" the title and it was just so blatantly obvious what was going on that I wasn't suprised one bit when it was discovered.

Ever watched game 6 of the 2002 Lakers-Kings series? All the Kings big men fouling out or in foul trouble early for mostly non-existent fouls not called on the other side of the floor, 27 FTA for the Lakers, not in the whole match, in just the 4th quarter, they were sent to the free throw-line 27 times, the Bryant elbow to the face of Mike Bibby and it goes on and on and on... If a person really believes that there was nothing fishy about that game, that person is either an idiot, retarded, a sheep, blind, a douchebag or any possible combination of the five things I've listed.

This has nothing to do with whether or not James is a good or a bad person. Who gives a shit, I call what I see on the floor, and the Heat are without a doubt favourited so far in this series by the officials. Just the notion that the NBA expects me to believe that it's warranted and acceptable that Wade gets 6 more FTA than Westbrook in game 5 is an insult to my intelligence.
 
The Thunder vs the Big Six(Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and 3 guys in grey) is about to tip.
 
The NBA should eliminate the blocking/charging foul where a player steps in front of the offensive player as the latter is already in the act of making a move towards the basket. Twice have the Heat received a bogus charging by a Thunder player (Harden, Durant) when the Heat player had not "set" defensively (and I have seen a few go against the Heat on offense this series, but mostly in favor of the Heat).

The game is far too fast for officials to get the call right each time. But most of these fouls should be blocking calls from what I've seen. And you would think the league would be more in favor of offensive plays instead of just more fouls and more stoppage in play.

I was always coached/instructed that you had to be set, i.e. no movement, for a charge to be called. It appears the NBA has completely changed the rule.

And don't get me started on the constant carry that these guards get away with today.
 
Anybody else who turned off the TV when they called that flagrant foul on Fisher? Talk about kicking someone when they're down.

What a shitty way to end the series.
 
What a shitty year. City win the league. Chelsea win the Champions League. Kentucky wins the NCAA tournament. The Heat win the NBA Title. The only plus is that the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl, I guess. :(
 
The NBA should eliminate the blocking/charging foul where a player steps in front of the offensive player as the latter is already in the act of making a move towards the basket. Twice have the Heat received a bogus charging by a Thunder player (Harden, Durant) when the Heat player had not "set" defensively (and I have seen a few go against the Heat on offense this series, but mostly in favor of the Heat).

The game is far too fast for officials to get the call right each time. But most of these fouls should be blocking calls from what I've seen. And you would think the league would be more in favor of offensive plays instead of just more fouls and more stoppage in play.

I was always coached/instructed that you had to be set, i.e. no movement, for a charge to be called. It appears the NBA has completely changed the rule.

And don't get me started on the constant carry that these guards get away with today.

Completely agree on all points. Let's have a look at two of the greatest players to have played the game, Magic and Bird. Look at the way they used to dribble the basketball when they were leading a fastbreak or making a move to the basket. It looks very weird compared to how some of the best players dribble the ball these days doesn't it? The reason for this is because Bird and Magic, and every other player in the league in that time, actually dribbled a basketball the way it is allowed to be dribbled according to the rules and the rules were enforced.

Why are players allowed to take an extra step or even two extra steps when going to the basket? Refs allow the players to palm the ball with one hand, take one or two steps, then they start counting the steps when they make contact with the ball with the other hand. I'd be a so much better basketball player if I was allowed to do this when I grew up playing. Or what about lifting the pivot foot before putting the ball down on the floor to gain that extra step advantage over the defender. By doing that I and everybody else doing it would be called for a walk but these days you're rewarded.

All these little details give the physical or fast offensive superstars such an advantage that they can excel in the game despite lacking many important fundamentals of basketball.

The rules have to be called strictly according to the book, period! Otherwise the sport turns into a shit sport like handball which is incredibly incosistent and sometimes you can do whatever the feck you want or you're unable to do anything at all, depending on whether you're playing an away game or against an established big team.
 
That was a bad call, no excusing it.

That said, I can't say the Heat didn't deserve it this season.

They might very well deserve to win it in the end, it's just that when I consider what has been going on in the previous games, I feel cheated out of a potential close 6 or 7 game series that could have been a classic.
 
What a shitty year. City win the league. Chelsea win the Champions League. Kentucky wins the NCAA tournament. The Heat win the NBA Title. The only plus is that the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl, I guess. :(

And England will win the Euro's ;)
 
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At least he got a ring. 3x HS titles, 1x NCAA Title, 1x NBA Title. Not bad.

:nervous: Yes, he's my man-crush. Leave me alone.
 
Yes, the Heat role players really stepped up big time.

Battier was hotter than a nuclear inferno in the finals. That three-pointer he made a couple of games ago when the shot clock was running out and he threw a brick towards the rim from a couple of feet behind the line and it goes in off the backboard says it all really.
 
Finally! Yesssssss!!!

Miami are the champions again! What a great way to do it.. Down 2-1 to Indiana.. Down 3-2 to Boston. Man!

I don't want to get into the ref talk, because I know it's not really about the refs here, it was about Lebron being LeChoke a few pages ago, and I fully understand the pain some are going through now. I went through it last year. Obviously Miami deserved to win it, and the refs had nothing to do with it. I could list many calls that went Oklahoma's way, but I don't really need to. NBA's best story would be letting Lebron winning the trophy at Cleveland, and I don't think this "conspiray" theory can explain how a not-so-marketable team like the Spurs can win it four times.. But enough with that..

Miami are the champions!
Wade is a champion again!
Lebron, well, the year he had was just... WOW! Fully deserved MVP double, and what a way to finish it! A triple double...

I'll be posting some videos probably and pictures from this year in my next posts.. So many moments to remember for Miami this year...

Yes!

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I personally feel this will turn a few people away from the league. The Heat are public enemy #1 and winning removes that tag that ABM/ABLBJs loved. It's also, for me, an indictment on the league against teams. Instead, it proves it is about players.

That said you will definitely hear about the Heat winning in a shortened season, Rose getting injured, and playing a young and erratic Thunder squad that showed they simply couldn't handle the moment yet (and against either players ;)).

If I was the Thunder GM, Harden would be out with a good PG on his way in, nothing against Harden as a player but they have to give up some quality to receive quality. This series showed that 1) Westbrook is a SG not a PG, 2) the Thunder need a player to LEAD and control tempo. I would say Nash but he's too old and not good defensively. Not sure what decent PG is out there though, not Deron as he'll be a Maverick. Damn shame Andre Miller isn't about five or six years younger. What about a guy like Jose Calderon running the point for OKC?
 
I personally feel this will turn a few people away from the league. The Heat are public enemy #1 and winning removes that tag that ABM/ABLBJs loved. It's also, for me, an indictment on the league against teams. Instead, it proves it is about players.

That said you will definitely hear about the Heat winning in a shortened season, Rose getting injured, and playing a young and erratic Thunder squad that showed they simply couldn't handle the moment yet (and against either players ;)).

If I was the Thunder GM, Harden would be out with a good PG on his way in, nothing against Harden as a player but they have to give up some quality to receive quality. This series showed that 1) Westbrook is a SG not a PG, 2) the Thunder need a player to LEAD and control tempo. I would say Nash but he's too old and not good defensively. Not sure what decent PG is out there though, not Deron as he'll be a Maverick. Damn shame Andre Miller isn't about five or six years younger. What about a guy like Jose Calderon running the point for OKC?


Harden was a fecking joke. Good point about Westbrook, fecking ball hog. Actually the whole team needs to learn how to pass to each other. I couldn't tell out of all four losses if OKC actually had a game plan. WTF was Brooks doing during halftime? Spurs would of been better off going to the finals.

And that Fisher call....wow....not that it would of changed the game mind you but just...wow. The refs need to be seriously looked at in this league. Teams are constantly getting bullshit calls for and against. That douchebag Stern won't do anything about it though. Anyways...feck off Miami, but you deserved it. Lebron finally showed up and lived up to his hype.
 
Looking at it from the headlines, it'll seem like a group of individuals, well Lebron, won the title. In reality, the Thunder had two guys who consistently performed and little support. Harden was crap the whole finals. The Heat had guys step up in each game to support Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. It was Battier in the first three games, then Chalmers in game 4, and Miller in game 5. All of them put up abnormally large numbers of points in those games. Without those guys, they wouldn't have won. I wish it weren't the case, but their role players were key to all 4 wins. If the Thunder had more support, they probably would have won. Westbrook and Durant both have the capability of going off and consistently score tons. Harden did until the finals. They're young and will get the talent and experience to perform in the finals, but they didn't have it this year.

Battier shot an effective FG% of 85.5%.
 
Looking at it from the headlines, it'll seem like a group of individuals, well Lebron, won the title. In reality, the Thunder had two guys who consistently performed and little support. Harden was crap the whole finals. The Heat had guys step up in each game to support Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. It was Battier in the first three games, then Chalmers in game 4, and Miller in game 5. All of them put up abnormally large numbers of points in those games. Without those guys, they wouldn't have won. I wish it weren't the case, but their role players were key to all 4 wins. If the Thunder had more support, they probably would have won. Westbrook and Durant both have the capability of going off and consistently score tons. Harden did until the finals. They're young and will get the talent and experience to perform in the finals, but they didn't have it this year.

Battier shot an effective FG% of 85.5%.

You have a point. Miami's role players did step up, but a possible argument also could be that James and Wade draw more defense through their penetration (because they are harder to handle when they penetrate than Durant and Westbrook IMO), AND because they are better passers than Durant and Westbrook (who is supposed to be a PG). Lebron had 13 assists tonight to Durant's 3.
 
The NBA should eliminate the blocking/charging foul where a player steps in front of the offensive player as the latter is already in the act of making a move towards the basket. Twice have the Heat received a bogus charging by a Thunder player (Harden, Durant) when the Heat player had not "set" defensively (and I have seen a few go against the Heat on offense this series, but mostly in favor of the Heat).

The game is far too fast for officials to get the call right each time. But most of these fouls should be blocking calls from what I've seen. And you would think the league would be more in favor of offensive plays instead of just more fouls and more stoppage in play.

I was always coached/instructed that you had to be set, i.e. no movement, for a charge to be called. It appears the NBA has completely changed the rule.

And don't get me started on the constant carry that these guards get away with today.

I'd like to see fouls called the same around the rim as they are at the three point line. A tiny bump when on the perimeter is a foul but players crash into each other down low and nothing is called.

I personally would like to see something done about the trend of every play being a drive to the basket when there player is looking more for a foul and a score. If they would call the offensive player for a foul for jumping into the defender than I would be happy to see a 'charge' require more of a set position.

But if you take away the charge then how will anyone ever stop LeBron from simply running everyone over?
 
To understand the current attitude towards fouls you need to know the part of NBA history concerning the imminent post-Jordan era where the owners and the league got together and decided that every franchise would get a superstar, and that the league would do its part to ensure that said superstar would a. put up "superstar numbers", and b. not get injured.

The NBA had piggy-backed the Jordan brand into a realm of financial possibility that it could never even have dreamed of by itself. Pre-Jordan, the NBA audience was more or less entirely middle-aged men - and the venues reflected this. They were cramped, dirty, and uncomfortable. And yet Jordan now had women, kids, old people, TV executives, everyone interested in basketball. Interested, but not exactly hooked yet. The NBA was terrified of losing what they believed was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to grow the brand further. The league decided it needed a makeover.

Long story short we got the "next Jordan" era, during which: A. each franchise started pouring money into its facilities, (IIRC the TV money was pooled and doled out to three or four teams at a time so the smaller market owners could catch up) and B. for about five consecutive years every new player left and right at some point got labeled "the next Jordan" in some way or other. Jumps high? Next Jordan. Has a great J? Next Jordan. That was no accident. Jordan's after-image was so powerful the league wanted that specific phrase being used while they lovingly grew their League with a Michael Jordan on Every Team.

Oh, and in the meantime, they kind-of-might-have-sort-of tweaked the rules (just a teeny bit) to help these new kids put up star numbers. You know, just in case they weren't really as good as Jordan. Not that it'd ever be possible to tell anymore, since they'd, well, tweaked the rules (just a teeny bit).

If you tried an isolation play in the pre/early-Jordan days, there would only be one outcome. Two or three really big sweaty men waiting in the paint, and the driving player on the floor with his team likely facing a fast break.
 
To understand the current attitude towards fouls you need to know the part of NBA history concerning the imminent post-Jordan era where the owners and the league got together and decided that every franchise would get a superstar, and that the league would do its part to ensure that said superstar would a. put up "superstar numbers", and b. not get injured.

The NBA had piggy-backed the Jordan brand into a realm of financial possibility that it could never even have dreamed of by itself. Pre-Jordan, the NBA audience was more or less entirely middle-aged men - and the venues reflected this. They were cramped, dirty, and uncomfortable. And yet Jordan now had women, kids, old people, TV executives, everyone interested in basketball. Interested, but not exactly hooked yet. The NBA was terrified of losing what they believed was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to grow the brand further. The league decided it needed a makeover.

Long story short we got the "next Jordan" era, during which: A. each franchise started pouring money into its facilities, (IIRC the TV money was pooled and doled out to three or four teams at a time so the smaller market owners could catch up) and B. for about five consecutive years every new player left and right at some point got labeled "the next Jordan" in some way or other. Jumps high? Next Jordan. Has a great J? Next Jordan. That was no accident. Jordan's after-image was so powerful the league wanted that specific phrase being used while they lovingly grew their League with a Michael Jordan on Every Team.

Oh, and in the meantime, they kind-of-might-have-sort-of tweaked the rules (just a teeny bit) to help these new kids put up star numbers. You know, just in case they weren't really as good as Jordan. Not that it'd ever be possible to tell anymore, since they'd, well, tweaked the rules (just a teeny bit).

If you tried an isolation play in the pre/early-Jordan days, there would only be one outcome. Two or three really big sweaty men waiting in the paint, and the driving player on the floor with his team likely facing a fast break.

"the next Jordan" thing is not really (only) what the NBA wants to do, it's what people like to do.. Does "the next Maradona" sound familiar?
 
I think he's saying the NBA exploits people's desires to see the "next Jordan".

Exploits? Ok ok. I get it, but I have a question..

Free throws attempted in the playoffs (per game):

Player A's first 7 post-seasons:
14.5
13.0
13.0
9.9
13.5
9.9
8.7

Player B's first 7 post-seasons:
9.1
9.8
12.8
14.2
10.9
7.4
10.2

If I tell you one of those two players was helped by the NBA (through tuning the rules and all) to achieve his superstar status, which player do you think that would be (most probably), player A or player B? Take a guess (but stick to your theory!).
 
"the next Jordan" thing is not really (only) what the NBA wants to do, it's what people like to do.. Does "the next Maradona" sound familiar?

Egad. That post isn't talking about something as simple as basic human nature. The Next Jordan angle is a single (and relatively small) part of the bigger picture.

We're talking about the NBA's very specific strategy during the immediate post-Jordan era as it relates to the league having a clear-cut plan to put A "Superstar" on Every Team as opposed to the previous situation, where most franchises had to wait until the Big Teams came to town to move tickets. We're talking about money. About owners being told to pour money into their franchises with the supposed promise of nightly marquee matchups to sell at the ticket office. If you were born in '82 you should be able to remember that time period when Hardaway, Carter, McGrady, Hill, Bryant, Stackhouse, Miner, Rider, (you can pretty much go on forever) etc. were all touted at some point or another as the Next Jordan.

Again, just in case, this isn't about foul shot stats, or refs influencing games, or any of the other side-effects that arose because of the rule changes. It's about how the temptation of Big Money shaped the league's attitude towards the rules of the game: 1. give the facilities a "family friendly" facelift, 2. give each franchise a ticket-selling "Star" 3. take certain measures to try and ensure those ticket-sellers were on the court as much as possible.

Read between the lines. It's about a league full of teams who were promised 25-12ers, knowing that they were eventually going to be forced to overpay players, and who thus demanded that the league at least do something to ease that blow.

I think he's saying the NBA exploits people's desires to see the "next Jordan".

Not so much anymore. But during that five/six year window from 2000-2005-ish, most definitely yes. The league was on a Jordan-high, being courted left and right by potential sponsors. Sporting goods brands who'd seen the Jordan Effect at work were talking to the league. Wall Street was talking to the league. What they were saying was, "We'd maybe like to help you grow but not if you're only going to have four or five big teams and one or two Jordans to somehow split between ourselves. Come to us with a more ambitious plan and we can talk." The NBA was a lot like the long overlooked little brother (to baseball and Am. football) that suddenly was being approached by all the right people.

Anyhow, bottom line, the weak fouls/isolation aspect of the game is not going away any time soon. No owner wants to overpay his 'franchise' players just to see them get hacked down and out for weeks at a time. At the same time they've backed themselves into a corner regarding salaries by agreeing to the "Star on every team" principle, even though those players might not actually be stars. Teams have run themselves into the red with the above-mentioned promises that never materialized, only to be told "Well you agreed to it at the time."

Bits and pieces of this we all know, but a lot of people don't seem to realize that the fouls/isolation aspect of the game is directly tied to the money situation and no owner wants to change it, largely out of spite. No one wants to see a rule change expose their star player as anything but. Or turn back the clock to a time when you had to wait for Boston/LA/NY/Chicago to come to town to draw a crowd.
 
I agree, but I don't see where the NBA went wrong there.. Using your stars to promote the game, AND try to distribute your stars among the teams to make the league more competitive.. I think that's exactly what people ask for, and probably why they hate Miami right now.. I'm not sure if you are just explaining how things went in the past decade, or making a judgement that it was wrong.

Also I'm getting really confused about what people want when it comes to foul calls, some want no fouls called, and some want no charges called... Like I said before, I don't think those complaints have anything to do with the reality, just a reaction to a result that didn't go the way some wanted. I'm pretty sure free throws existed before 2000, and in a very influential way!
 
I hope you don't think anyone but you wants to see that stuff!

If James is so great, why didn't he win a title his rookie year while playing center because his team's best player was out injured?

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"I'd like to say I'd never have won with me, myself and I. I scored and I won and now you all have to say that's I'm a living legend and a true champion. Now I'm off to have an orgy. Suck my balls."