Nba 2011-2012

Neutral said:
I see from your location, you are European, and I think this is where the different styles of play clash. European big men who can handle the rock and pass are a norm...not so for American bigs.
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Very true!

You just reminded me of two of my favourite players of all time.



Just incredible how quick he was for a 7 footer in his Partizan days and the first couple of years with the Lakers before he bulked up. Running the floor like a forward, taking it coast to coast, leading fast breaks, dishing out great passes. He would have fitted in well in that 80s Laker team if he was born a decade earlier.

And of course, one of the greatest and unluckiest players ever:

 
RDCR07 said:
I have a feeling this was rigged with the Hornets being owned by the NBA and all.
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The NBA was able to sell the team this year to the Saints owner. But I wouldn't put it past them to add in the #1 pick to get the team sold, they had a very hard time getting someone to buy the team.
 
Zen said:
I don't count fraud era stats. Something was clearly up with the bottom end talent in the Wilt/Oscar times, some stats are ridiculous, it's as if there were like 1 great team, a few good ones, and then a bunch to juice stats.

All-time team

Stockton
Jordan
Bird
Duncan
Kareem

All-time team 2

Magic
Allen GOATverson(the owner of the greatest carry job in NBA history)
LeBrick
Chuck
The Dream

Kobe great and all, but yeah, I'm an Allen Iverson fan.
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I've never heard anyone call that period of basketball 'fraud era' or contend that those stats shouldn't compare. I'll have to look that one up.
 
I'm glad the Bobcats did not get the #1 pick. They should be banned from playing in the NBA and did not deserve to get Davis.

Didn't the NBA rig the lottery last year as well when the Cavs happened to win, only 1 year after losing LeBron?
 
gooDevil said:
To be fair, I'm not sure I've seen a legal pick in the NBA this year, it's madness what passes for a screen anymore.
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As well as the carry... Rondo does it every trip up the floor. When I played back in the 90s (high school) that was illegal. I doubt it's illegal at the UIL levels now days.
 
Danny1982 said:
Especially that Wade block?! What's wrong with that?! How many times did you see Boston players touching the ball when Wade or James are driving to the basket??

You know what, I disagree with what you said. I think the Rondo no call was the only clear wrong call in the game, and I'll leave it at that..

And I honestly don't think you would do a better job officiating the Heat games.
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I do believe Wade should have been called for a foul on that eventual winning drive and the foul. He led with his leg and made initial contact on the opponent. The analysts/commentators mentioned it as well. But it's just another superstar call, which the NBA is all about.
 
Rondo had 44 points, 10 assists, and 8 rebounds - no player in playoff history has ever done better in those stats when scoring over 40. If a certain Miami mercenary had that stat line last night it would be all over the internet and media.
 
Neutral said:
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all ball...
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:lol:

NBA refs have been known to protect their stars. I was a huge Jordan fan so I never really noticed his preferential treatment, wanting him to get all those foul calls. But those who didn't like those Bulls teams always complained about Jordan getting all the calls.
 
MrMarcello said:
As well as the carry... Rondo does it every trip up the floor. When I played back in the 90s (high school) that was illegal. I doubt it's illegal at the UIL levels now days.
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I'd like to see Magic Johnson and Larry Bird in the prime playing in an era where you could travel, carry the ball and set a moving pick all without penalty. They would have been twice as hard to stop.
 
gooDevil said:
The Celtics should have broken up the big 3 last summer at the latest, it's their own fault for Rondo's talent going to waste.
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Incredibly there were rumours during the season that it was Rondo who they wanted to trade, not the big 3.

The Celtics would be stupid to do it, but I wonder if LA would try for the Gasol-Rondo trade that was talked about before.
 
tbf, Jordan got beaten the feck up to get his "easy calls", Pistons basically assaulted him.....Bryant, James and Wade have set a new precedent for getting ridiculously easy calls. I mean it's likely now that'll you see these guys get just as many free throws as Shaq did in his hey day.....think about that for a second, opposition fouled Shaq on purpose....they don't foul those 3 on purpose(well they do, but their whole defence isn't based on it like hack-a-shaq)

The NBA have never really liked the Celtics either, though they have to, since they are the Celtics, but they robbed them in 2010, won't say they are robbing them here, but the pendulum is clearly in Heats favour. Shame though, Rondos performance was magical, one of my favourites since Duncans flirtation with a quadruple double like 10 years back.
 
When you drive to the basket and get there you'll more likely get fouled, and get free throws, doesn't matter who you are, James, Wade, Bryant, Pierce, Rondo, Harden, Durant, Westbrook, ...etc.

Rondo was at the line more than Wade yesterday even though Wade got 4 extra free throws at the end of the game when Boston had to stop the clock. I have seen Wade and James denied many many foul calls, the difference is I understand it's all part of the game..

Instead of asking the refs to give more free throws against Miami and less for Miami, ask your team (whatever it is) to drive more to the basket, and close the paint, like Dallas did last years finals..

Oh and by the way, a foul doesn't have to be a fist on the jaw.. Any contact with the shooting arm is a foul because it will influence the shot, especially in a game like basketball where the margins between making the shot and missing it are very fine..
 
Can't wait til Rose comes back, they refused to give him soft calls consistently before his injury, now they'll be giving him them all day long, since he's a money maker for them. Especially since he's big with the "old school" type fans as he barely flops and is willing to take a beating.

Though the rest of his game might be pretty off, hope he won't be another Roy, though I do hope they try him in SG to ease him back in, and get Nash to play point. *dreaming baby*
 
He also got injured playing ridiculously aggressive at the point. Putting him straight back in there and wanting him to be Rose would be as dumb as playing in the final few minutes of a blowout win......oh wait.

Easier to ease him back in at SG rotating with Rip and then rotating with Nash a bit at point, and they have to look into the idea of getting Nash. Since Rose might not even be fully fit by the 82nd game next year. Easy title, Nash goes to the Heat, but he can't really be be Nash with Wade and Lebron there, Bulls have a (slim) chance at him, though the allure of New York, LA(considering he wants a partial film career/loves his MLS) can't be ignored.

I am also insanely bias, no one in this game deserves to be a winner more than Nash. I don't want him to go ringless like another favourite of mine in Stockton did. Gotta love the white PG.
 
Putting Rose at PG when he comes back is 'dumb'?

You'll have to explain that one to me. Is it just Rose or should all PGs switch position after an injury?
 
Apparently quite a few important basketball people also think something untoward happened at the NBA draft lottery selection.

Have to say I'm a bit surprised to see this article on the front page of Yahoo Basketball!

MIAMI – This was the fitting end to one of the darkest, most unseemly episodes in the history of the NBA, the perfect punctuation on the commissioner's manipulation of the sale and salvation of a lost franchise.

The New Orleans Hornets won the draft lottery and get to pick one of the most transcendent prospects in years, Kentucky's Anthony Davis. The NBA-owned New Orleans Hornets, with a 13.7 percent chance, won the lottery. For over a year, David Stern pushed hard to get maximum value for his owners on the re-sale of the Hornets, and Tom Benson gave Stern an asking price and an assurance the franchise wouldn't leave New Orleans.

"It's such a joke that the league made the new owners be at the lottery for the show," one high-ranking team executive told Yahoo! Sports. "The league still owns the Hornets. Ask their front office if new owners can make a trade right now. They can't. This is a joke."

The reaction of several league executives was part disgust, part resignation on Wednesday night. So many had predicted this happening, so many suspected that somehow, someway, the Hornets would walk away with Davis. That's the worst part for the NBA; these aren't the railings from the guy sitting at the corner tavern, but the belief of those working within the machinery that something undue happened here, that they suspect it happens all the time under Stern.

There's no proof, and there will never be proof. Yet, there's an appearance of impropriety – always an appearance – that marches arm-and-arm with Stern into the twilight of his commissionership, marches right out the door with him.

In New Orleans this season, everyone followed orders. The Hornets feared crossing Stern could cost them not only jobs with the Hornets, but futures in the NBA. They ate that trade for Chris Paul to the Lakers, and dutifully sold the commissioner's story that it was never agreed upon, never completed. The Hornets played Darryl Watkins, Jerome Dyson and Lance Thomas 41-plus minutes in the final game of the season in an 84-77 loss to Houston. They played them until the Hornets bottomed out with six points in the fourth quarter of the loss that left them at 21-45 for the season.

"I bet I could get my owner to tank if I knew the chance of getting the No. 1 pick was 100 percent," an NBA team president said in an email.

Perhaps this is too harsh, but it's how rivals feel; a lot of them. They're suspicious, dubious, and the Hornets' winning the lottery fed all of that in an immense way. Monty Williams had the Hornets playing hard for so much of the season, making the most out of so little. They weren't designed to win 21 games in that shortened schedule, and that's a credit to Williams, one of the NBA's fine young coaches.

This is the problem for Stern, and will always be: Within his own league, they're dubious about him, his underlings, about the centralized power structure in New York. Stern created the mayhem of the Hornets season – the vetoed Paul trade that disrupted the operations and balance of several teams – and the fallout never relented. Here comes Tom Benson now, whose NFL organization is mired in one of the great institutional scandals in pro sports history, walking into New York for the draft lottery with a bad team, in a bad arena, and leaving with a franchise star.

Yes, the Hornets are staying in New Orleans, and that's wonderful news for the people there, for the NBA. All around the league, though, everyone will forever wonder: At what cost?
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Reminds me of Cleveland winning Cleveland native LeBron and Chicago winning Chicago native Rose, both seemed awfully convenient.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--n...120531.html;_ylt=Ar1W_rJ9IbeY4WlDqGoW_oa8vLYF
 
gooDevil said:
Putting Rose at PG when he comes back is 'dumb'?

You'll have to explain that one to me.
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Explanation pretty much here.

Zen said:
He also got injured playing ridiculously aggressive at the point. Putting him straight back in there and wanting him to be Rose would be as dumb as playing in the final few minutes of a blowout win......oh wait.

Easier to ease him back in at SG rotating with Rip and then rotating with Nash a bit at point, and they have to look into the idea of getting Nash. Since Rose might not even be fully fit by the 82nd game next year. Easy title, Nash goes to the Heat, but he can't really be be Nash with Wade and Lebron there, Bulls have a (slim) chance at him, though the allure of New York, LA(considering he wants a partial film career/loves his MLS) can't be ignored.
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And how often have their been serious injuries to players like Rose? Brandon Roy? Became rotation player playing time at a few positions to ease back in before retiring. So using that as a comparison, I dunno, but players of that calibre have been able to alternate between when needed too, even when not injured/returning(Iverson being the obvious direct comparison to Rose), Rose is obviously starting PG by 13/14 start.

tbh I fully expect you stop read this post after like 4 words too, so dunno.
 
So the Spurs finally lose. I expect them to respond in Game 4 but this win will have given OKC a huge boost.

I hope Boston can win today as well. I've only just seen LeBron 'taunting' KG from Game 1, I expect KG to respond later in the series.
 
Zen said:
Explanation pretty much here.

He also got injured playing ridiculously aggressive at the point. Putting him straight back in there and wanting him to be Rose would be as dumb as playing in the final few minutes of a blowout win......oh wait.

Easier to ease him back in at SG rotating with Rip and then rotating with Nash a bit at point, and they have to look into the idea of getting Nash. Since Rose might not even be fully fit by the 82nd game next year. Easy title, Nash goes to the Heat, but he can't really be be Nash with Wade and Lebron there, Bulls have a (slim) chance at him, though the allure of New York, LA(considering he wants a partial film career/loves his MLS) can't be ignored.

And how often have their been serious injuries to players like Rose? Brandon Roy? Became rotation player playing time at a few positions to ease back in before retiring. So using that as a comparison, I dunno, but players of that calibre have been able to alternate between when needed too, even when not injured/returning(Iverson being the obvious direct comparison to Rose), Rose is obviously starting PG by 13/14 start.

tbh I fully expect you stop read this post after like 4 words too, so dunno.
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That last paragraph is a bit confusing, i think I understand though.

Perhaps I should have said the reasons you listed didn't seem to me to be reasons why playing at the 2 would solve the problems you saw. If you think he should take more jump shots instead of crashing into defenders driving to the basket, he can do that as easily from the point as from the 2.

It's dangerous asking a player to change his style, Wade has also sustained many injuries due to his all-action slashing style, but I don't think anyone in Miami is thinking he should change that. Usually players wait until they lose their legs until they switch to mostly shooting jumpers [Jordan, Kobe, Amare, Garnett, et cetera].

I'm a big proponent of waiting until a player is 101% healthy before bringing them back in, imo bringing a player back anything but completely healthy raises the chances of another injury by several times, so bringing Rose back before he's ready for the rigors of his style would be a mistake.

I can't say I can name any point guards that played as a shooting guard when coming back from injury, but I can believe it's happened before with Iverson. I thought Brandon Roy was always a shooting guard?

I'm also a huge fan of point guards, so moving one of the best ones to the 2 is tantamount to sacrilege to me.
 
Spurs won't score like 10 points-in-the-paint and commit 21 turnovers next game. That's the only reason the Thunder won. No chance OKC can beat the Spurs if they're at the top of their game, as evident in the first two games.
 
I love the conspiracy theories in sports, however, if there is a league that is probably corrupted by league officials I would wager it is the NBA. A poll from yesterday yielded an astonishing result - 80% of voting fans believe the lottery was definitely rigged or possibly rigged. That's not a good sign when 4/5 of your fan base believes this stuff. Even worse yet when club management personnel do as well.
 
Isn't that amazing? 80%, WOW.

Well, there have been many scandals in the NBA and nothing is much done about it, you probably remember Tim Donaghy and his ejecting Amare while he was on the bench, who was later found to be guilty of fixing games, iirc.

I hate to say it, I'll probably sound like a bit of a tit but what the hell, when I lived in LA and watched every Lakers game on TV, I'd swear to a judge I watched them throw at least 2 games a year.

The word in LA is that the Lakers are the last NBA team that's still part Mob owned.
 
I don't care about these things, but just for the people who seem to care (a bit too much), did anybody see that hilarious two-handed pull on Lebron that wasn't called, followed by a hilarious foul call on Battier for standing up?! :lol:

Yeah, I thought you didn't too.

By the way, I also love the way the commentators acknowledge the foul call on Battier being an imaginary one, but still try to give Dooling some "credit" for drawing this phantom foul with his "movement".. Ummm, wasn't that what you called "flopping" like a week ago and got all mad about it?! :lol:

:p
 
Finally Celtics win one. Good come back from the Heat but Celtics hold on. Rondo is just a monster of a player. My favorite PG in the game right now.
 
What an incredible 4th quarter performance by Durant! Ibaka has also been a monster tonight.

Both these teams are so great and fun to watch.
 
Now this is the Thunder people expected to see....You can't describe what a remarkable turnaround this is...such a young team, getting pasted by a much more experienced team and with a superior coach. But when it looked nearly impossible, they've won 2 in a row, and are right back in this.

As for the Celtics...how funny is it that, they really should be up 2-1 in this series? I still think they'll lose the series in 5, and the win was their last stand.
 
I didn't see more than a quarter of either Spurs loss, but what I did see looked like an entirely different team than in San Antonio. The crisp passing and spacing was gone, and so was the interior defense. Very strange.
 
Neutral said:
As for the Celtics...how funny is it that, they really should be up 2-1 in this series? I still think they'll lose the series in 5, and the win was their last stand.
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Ties the series 2-2. That was a great game.
 
^was a great game...shame the officials weren't so great. I can't believe the Celtics have fought back. Start of the playoffs I expected them to be tough like this...but after the series with the Sixers..where they barely limped across the line.

I didn't give them too much hope, hence the 5 game series prediction. But they've taken care of business at home.
 
Do they have the same officials for each game? Seems to me a lot of people are not happy with the officiating or is that just an excuse?

Spurs need to come back and hold home-court, I think whoever wins tonight goes onto clinch the series.
 
The refs can have way too much influence over a game of basketball, imo. But players also try to push the limits every game, how close they can get to palming the ball, how much bumping they can get away with both on offense and defense. When both sides are trying to push the limits on both sides, that has to be a very hard game to call. Especially in the playoffs when things inevitably get more physical.
 
Fantastic watching Miami lose, always a fun time.

Rondo was better once Pierce was out of the game, he just put the entire team on his back and did it himself.
 
What an incredible effort by the Thunder to win three games in a row.

It's amazing how such a young team can keep their composure in difficult situations. Yes they almost lost it at the end due to some really bad plays, but in the 1st quarter they stood firm against the Spurs onslaught and managed to win the 1st quarter, and more importantly they pulled themselves together again in the 3rd and took a nine point lead going in to the 4th.

I often get the feeling that the game is going to run away from them (especially when Westbrook is forcing too much, he's one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen in basketball) but they just bounce back so fast and all of a sudden they're up by 10.

Btw, Massive three-pointer from Harden at the end.
 
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