Nba 2010-2011

I'm not as pissed about them moving as much as I'm pissed about them moving to Anaheim. Under the current situation in Sacramento, no owner could last for a long time. Even if the team sells out every game they'd be somewhere around 15th in the league in attendance because the building isn't quite big enough. Not having a new arena is partially the city's fault and partially the Maloofs' fault and partially the fault of an economic recession that has the city unemployment rate in double digits.

What gets me though is that there's still plans on the table. We've got the same group that helped build an arena in Denver for cheap working on a feasibility study and they were supposed to report back in roughly 90 days. They needed financial documents from the Maloofs and did not receive all of them. Instead the Maloofs are banking on the fact that the Lakers tv deal with Fox Sports expires a year from now so they're expecting a large offer due to the large market. I can't blame them for leaving if all avenues have been exhausted to build a new arena in downtown Sacramento. I can blame them though if they're so desperate to leave a market where they're the only major team in town that they're willing to move to a market that has always looked down on them to become the third basketball team in that market all so they can use the team as a vehicle for a hypothetical lucrative tv deal before the current tenant of the deal has even left it and without waiting to exhaust all possible options in a city that would be severely crippled economically if they were to leave. It just seems like one big slap in the face.

We're not asking them to stay forever and keep taking shit from the city council. All we want is one more year to exhaust our final option. I think if the Maloofs cared about the fans as much as they said they have in the past, they'd at least grant us that.
 
The Maloofs could actually have built there own palace instead of that failed casino in Nevada. But no... let's hold a local township hostage and force the taxpayers to pay. They'll no doubt be looking for a township to pay for a building instead of using their own funds.
 
MrMarcello said:
The Maloofs could actually have built there own palace instead of that failed casino in Nevada. But no... let's hold a local township hostage and force the taxpayers to pay. They'll no doubt be looking for a township to pay for a building instead of using their own funds.
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Well here's the thing though. They'd play 41+ nights in the building. Back when the Monarchs were still a team and the Kings were actually good that number was a lot higher but still less than half the number of days in a year. The current location where Arco is isn't viable since it's out in the middle of nowhere. A new building needs to be in downtown Sacramento so the city can benefit from parking, property taxes, increased commerce, etc. But the Maloofs don't own any land there. The city does, though.

The Maloofs have been perfectly willing to put money down to pay a portion of a new building, and they've singlehandedly funded every feasibility done up to this point, but they're only tenants for a portion of the year and the rest of the time it'll be used for concerts, Disney on Ice, WWE, state basketball tournaments, NCAA tournaments, and other stuff. So it's not realistic to expect them to foot the entire bill for the whole thing because they're not the only party that benefits.

The last plan put on the table that actually would've required public funding was going to be funded by a 0.25% sales tax increase which was voted down. Everything after that has been land swap deals and other creative plans that have all fallen flat because someone as part of the deal felt they didn't get what they deserved. Any new deal would involve the city owning the building and all the indirect proceeds coming from it. This has to get done anyways with or without the Kings, because already the NCAA has turned Sacramento down and so have some music and other entertainment events because the facilities and layout of Arco make it difficult for them to work. So it's not as simple as saying the Maloofs are asking for the city to buy the Kings a new arena. The Maloofs are asking the city to build a new entertainment complex for the city itself that the Maloofs can then pay rent towards as tenants for 41+ nights a year out of 365 per year.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
golden state is a cool team. run and gunners, steph curry, monta ellis, david lee...always up for a shootout. i don't mind them.
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Well I grew up hating them and their fans so I'm not going to all of a sudden switch to being a fan. This whole thing just makes me not want to care at all, especially after the Sonics were allowed to leave. I never really hated the Blazers and their community has always gotten along with ours so that's an option and so is teaming up with former Sonics fans to root for the Cavs because we can be like a whole new trifecta of misery.
 
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hehehe, it's too funny watching the Heat crumble. Did anyone think after "The Decision" stuff, people aren't rooting against them? Watching the Spurs annihilate Heat last week is kinda ironic that the team with the best record in the league is the one who hardly make any moves at all. Spurs are playing very good team basketball, and they show it against Heat that you can't put together 3 really good players without having a team to support them.

FWIW, I think the Heat can't play to their stars strength. James and Wade are players who needs the ball in their hands to be effective. For Bosh, he's just overrated, he put up big numbers in Toronto because he's the focal point of their attack.
 
LA keeps winning, good to see Matt Barnes back, I think they missed his aggressiveness off the bench.
 
Let's put it this way... if Ginobli weren't healthy this year, the Spurs would be nowhere near the best record in the league. He's easily been worth ten wins.
 
MrMarcello said:
Let's put it this way... if Ginobli weren't healthy this year, the Spurs would be nowhere near the best record in the league. He's easily been worth ten wins.
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Well, yeah, if Gary Neal were their starter, but if you let the Spurs spend the $11 or $12M they're currently paying Ginobili for whatever replacement they could get, they'd be fine, if likely worse.
 
Excal said:
Well, yeah, if Gary Neal were their starter, but if you let the Spurs spend the $11 or $12M they're currently paying Ginobili for whatever replacement they could get, they'd be fine, if likely worse.
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They wouldn't be able to spend that money due to cap constraints and Ginobli would still be eating up that cap space while injured, like last season.
 
reelworld said:
hehehe, it's too funny watching the Heat crumble. Did anyone think after "The Decision" stuff, people aren't rooting against them? Watching the Spurs annihilate Heat last week is kinda ironic that the team with the best record in the league is the one who hardly make any moves at all. Spurs are playing very good team basketball, and they show it against Heat that you can't put together 3 really good players without having a team to support them.

FWIW, I think the Heat can't play to their stars strength. James and Wade are players who needs the ball in their hands to be effective. For Bosh, he's just overrated, he put up big numbers in Toronto because he's the focal point of their attack.
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They'll be back even stronger.
 
So, do any of experts think the Bulls have a chance to go all the way, they’re pulling the Celtics in gradually at the moment, they must have a chance to clinch top stop for eastern conference playoffs.... Yes/No?
 
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So, do any of experts think the Bulls have a chance to go all the way, they’re pulling the Celtics in gradually at the moment, they must have a chance to clinch top stop for eastern conference playoffs.... Yes/No?
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I like the Bulls a lot, almost everyone agrees Rose has been the MVP and that team has steadily improved over the season. They've sweeped the Heat this season, but I'm not sure if they'll be able to top the Celtics in a 7 game series, Boston's still the team to beat imo, but they've lost size with the Perkins trade.

Lakers-Heat later today, hopefully Kobe runs riot on the cry babies but I'll be interested in seeing how Artest plays James, he's struggled against LeBron a lot in his Laker career but hopefully that changes tonight.
 
Dresilved said:
So, do any of experts think the Bulls have a chance to go all the way, they’re pulling the Celtics in gradually at the moment, they must have a chance to clinch top stop for eastern conference playoffs.... Yes/No?
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No chance of winning it all, maybe in a year or two
 
Excal said:
How do you figure? Their record since the new year is as good as San Antonio's, and better than Boston's.
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too unexperienced in the playoffs. even on the slim chance they came out of the east (and while not a bulls supporter, they are my favourite team currently), the lakers, spurs, or even the mavs are just a class above right now.

If they get an above average shooting guard this summer, then they will be genuine threats.
 
Good first half of basketball, Bosh playing well & Heat hitting a few shots from downtown. Kobe's playing with high intensity and Artest has impressed me so far. Close game.
 
Surprising Bosh has been the one on fire for the Heat today against LA. James and Wade are struggling a little bit with their FG% but Bosh is helping them.
 
The refs in the NBA are such homers. That was a clear goal tend by the Heat not to mention Kobe was fouled shooting and at the other end James bumped Kobe on the pick which you can't do (less than a minute remaining).

Kobe gets fouled again and no call. LOL
 
fecking Heat look like they will win this.
 
Kobe taking impossible shots, poor offense.
 
Nice dive there, Lebron. He just fell over to get the foul. Very little contact from Artest.
 
Lakers streak ended, Miami's tears will dry for a games.

Disappointed with the Lakers in the final 2 minutes, Kobe with some awful shots. Too many turnovers in the first-half, Bosh played well.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
too unexperienced in the playoffs.
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Rose: 2 years in the playoffs.
Deng: 3 years in the playoffs.
Noah: 2 years in the playoffs.
Boozer: 4 years in the playoffs.
Bogans: 2 years in the playoffs.

even on the slim chance they came out of the east
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They swept the Heat in the season series. If they beat Boston next month, they'll tie them in the season series. And if they can get the #1 spot (definitely a possibility given the Bulls opponents for the rest of the season average a .430 winning percentage while Boston, only a game and a half up on the Bulls, has opponents which average .484) they have the best home record in the conference.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
too unexperienced in the playoffs. even on the slim chance they came out of the east (and while not a bulls supporter, they are my favourite team currently), the lakers, spurs, or even the mavs are just a class above right now.

If they get an above average shooting guard this summer, then they will be genuine threats.
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exactly, it will be tough to get out of the East this year, and theyll have a tough West team in the end, I think they are too young and inexperienced, although I do like Rose and the makeup of the team. If nothing Cleveland has shown that it isnt always about how you do in the regular season, we will see how they fare when they have to play a team in a 7 game series, I think they could possibly get the COnference Finals and in fairness that that would be really good for them.
 
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