Nba 2010-2011

Really poor half from the Lakers but we're only down by 9. Heat keep getting the extra pass off for the open shot; Wade's played very well.

Refs letting them play, but the technical call on Kobe is a joke and Kobe's not getting the fouls that James is getting (then again I am biased...)
 
Good on Artest for raising money for charity, but selling your championship ring is a big call.

Lakers started well, but Heat back up by 10...
 
Artest steals the ball, trying to get a fastbreak, loses the ball himself, jumps in the crowd and then gets up with that look on his face. Typical Ron.

Too easy for the Heat
 
15 point lead for the Heat, we can't prevent them scoring at the moment.
 
Bastard James hits another 3, someone needs to bounce the ball against his big ugly head
 
Heat up by 11 at the end of 3, James playing well but bitch looks like he's about to cry any second now. Wade's been the best player on the court so far.
 
Well this is shit, Heat up by 17 with 6 mins to go.
 
fecking 20 point lead now, embarrassment.
 
Humiliated on Christmas day on your own court.

That Laker performance was so shit, Heat were by far the superior team on both ends of the court. They moved the ball very well and that allowed them to get open shots and defensively they were very solid. Pau and Kobe struggled, but the whole team didn't look like they wanted to play. Another poor performance, and the way the Spurs & Mavs are playing right now, Lakers have to be really concerned about not getting the #1 seed.

Another problem is whether you start with Bynum or Odom. Odom's a better all-round player and his numbers have been very good this season, but Bynum gives you size and a presence in the paint which was lacking today.

Heat look very good, the big 3 will get the points but their movement of the ball is exceptional. Defensively the whole team was incredibly good, Wade was the best player on the court imo.

Kobe was pissed by that performance, and it is understandable, play like this and there will be no 3-peat.
 
ha_rooney said:
Did you get to speak to him or meet any other Laker players? Odom looks big on TV, probably seems like a giant in person.
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Oops, took me long enough to answer this. He was fecking huge. I got a picture with him, actually. I'll post it up. I didn't talk to them, they were ordering their sandwiches. There as another guy there whom I didn't recognize (don't really follow basketball), but I didn't want to bother them too much :p

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Got the pic with my iphone, so it's not the best quality!
 
Heard a sports radio guy talking about how LeBron's comments about the league being watered down should really turn heads - to reflect on LeBron's non-ability to win a title. Great call by that radio host. Can't recall the host's name, think he was filling in for either Scott Van Pelt, Doug Gotleib, or Colin Cowherd. He mentioned that his comments about every club should have a Wade and Bosh and LeBron (yet another "me" comment), is simply just finding another way to satisfy to himself that he made the correct decision. And it's an unintentional indirect shot at himself that in this watered down league he's failed. What does that say about his legacy?
 
I can see another 'big 3' being formed in NY with Stoudamiere being joined by Anthony and Chris Paul. The already predictable playoffs will be more of the same the next few years.

LeBron's legacy will be (imo) that he was a great player who couldn't lead a team to the championships himself and needed another great player to help him. Although the past 20 odd years, teams that have won the title have done so with one guy dominating and one guy in the supporting role (Jordan-Pippen, Shaq-Kobe, Duncan-Parker, Kobe-Pau) I don't think there has ever been a genuine 'big 3' at any one team*. If it was James-Bosh or Wade-Bosh I don't think people would complain too much, but the fact it's James and Wade on the same team, 2 players who should be (in Wade's case, have) winning titles themselves, people critcise the move to Miami.

To be honest, I don't think LeBron's like Jordan or Kobe, by that I mean he doesn't seem to care about his legacy, all he cares about is winning championships and that's why he chose to go to Heat rather than NY. As Michael Jordan said, it's not something he would've done.

*note: I realise the Celtics won the playoffs with a 'big 3' but as they only managed to win 1 title and the 3 players are all in the twilight of their careers, I decided not to include them in my post.
 
ha_rooney said:
I can see another 'big 3' being formed in NY with Stoudamiere being joined by Anthony and Chris Paul. The already predictable playoffs will be more of the same the next few years.

LeBron's legacy will be (imo) that he was a great player who couldn't lead a team to the championships himself and needed another great player to help him. Although the past 20 odd years, teams that have won the title have done so with one guy dominating and one guy in the supporting role (Jordan-Pippen, Shaq-Kobe, Duncan-Parker, Kobe-Pau) I don't think there has ever been a genuine 'big 3' at any one team*. If it was James-Bosh or Wade-Bosh I don't think people would complain too much, but the fact it's James and Wade on the same team, 2 players who should be (in Wade's case, have) winning titles themselves, people critcise the move to Miami.
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The Pippen of the 90's > any of the Heat's "big 3" with the possible exception of LeBron. Being a similar player to Jordan who didn't quite have his offensive flair sometimes obscures the fact that in his prime he was an all-time great, and actually was a better defender than Jordan, especially in the 96-98 years.
 
Excal said:
The Pippen of the 90's > any of the Heat's "big 3" with the possible exception of LeBron. Being a similar player to Jordan who didn't quite have his offensive flair sometimes obscures the fact that in his prime he was an all-time great, and actually was a better defender than Jordan, especially in the 96-98 years.
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Oh ok, fair enough. I only got into basketball around 2003 so beyond reading what people had to say about Pippen and a few youtube clips, I have no idea what sort of player he was.
 
ha_rooney said:
Oh ok, fair enough. I only got into basketball around 2003 so beyond reading what people had to say about Pippen and a few youtube clips, I have no idea what sort of player he was.
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I think everyone was so busy hanging on Jordan's jock that not enough people stopped to realize how good a player Pippen was. Even in hindsight. In his supporting role I'd say he might've even been better than Kobe was for Shaq.
 
ha_rooney said:
Oh ok, fair enough. I only got into basketball around 2003 so beyond reading what people had to say about Pippen and a few youtube clips, I have no idea what sort of player he was.
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I would say that Pippen and Jordan were very similar players, in that there was really no weakness to their games. Excellent jump-shooters who were competent beyond the arc. Dangerous drivers with good speed and excellent court vision. These were both the sort of player you NEED to double-team to hope to contain, and having both of them on the court at one time (especially in the Winter/Jackson version of the triangle offense) made defending against them a thankless task. Both were excellent defenders who could work against pretty much anyone at the 1-3 positions, (and Pippen could handle some of the smaller power forwards as well.)

The primary area where Jordan's skills exceeded Pippen's was in his ability to create space. He had a slightly quicker first step, and defenders would tend to pull back a bit more when he started to drive, frequently giving him more room to pull up and shoot a jumper. Pippen was also an inexplicably poor free throw shooter. Not, like, Shaq-ish for anything, but for a very good shooter, Pippen was like around 70% from the FT line, which always baffled me.
 
MrMarcello said:
Heard a sports radio guy talking about how LeBron's comments about the league being watered down should really turn heads - to reflect on LeBron's non-ability to win a title. Great call by that radio host. Can't recall the host's name, think he was filling in for either Scott Van Pelt, Doug Gotleib, or Colin Cowherd. He mentioned that his comments about every club should have a Wade and Bosh and LeBron (yet another "me" comment), is simply just finding another way to satisfy to himself that he made the correct decision. And it's an unintentional indirect shot at himself that in this watered down league he's failed. What does that say about his legacy?
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Was it Ryen Russillo?
 
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As for Big 3... it's happened quite a bit. I would call Jordan-Pippen-Rodman a big three for sure and without that trade for Rodman, I doubt Chicago would have won more than one championship the second time around, perhaps none. Granted Rodman wasn't a scoring machine like most trios, but his impact at both ends was immense.

The Lakers in the 80s had Magic-Kareem-Worthy, Boston had Bird-McHale-Parrish-Johnson (big four), 70s Lakers had Wilt-West-Goodrich (Baylor retired early on), and look at those 60s Celtics teams.
 
ha_rooney said:
To be honest, I don't think LeBron's like Jordan or Kobe, by that I mean he doesn't seem to care about his legacy, all he cares about is winning championships and that's why he chose to go to Heat rather than NY. As Michael Jordan said, it's not something he would've done.
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Lebron was patient for the Cavs to bring in a wing man for quite a while but they didn't. There was no chance of long term success with Cavs even if he stayed and miraculously managed to win one title as a one man team. He had to move for a genuine shot at the title.

It's much easier for Jordan to say what he did as their situations weren't even comparable:
1. It took him 4 seasons to turn the Bulls into a team with a winning record in the regular season. They could draft the likes of Pippen and build a team around MJ by then. LBJ turned the Cavs around to a winning record in his second season. He was far too good for his own good? The Cavs record in the coming seasons will show what a shower of shite they are without LBJ whereas MJ had Pippen (hall of fame all star who averaged around 18-19 PPG, 7 RBG, 6 APG, 2 SPG in the title winning seasons) and the likes of Rodman, Grant who were part of all NBA defense teams.

2. MJ had the Zen Master to coach/mentor him to success, possibly the greatest coach ever, who could also provide perspective of a Championship winning player. People just compare teams and players without actually crediting the coach.
 
It's hogwach to claim Cleveland didn't have squat the last few years. They made the finals in 2007 and won 60+ the last two seasons which doesn't happen with just one good player. It's team sport after all.

But I do think coaching probably cost them one title. Put Riley, or Brown, or Phil in that role and I would wager they'd have won a title in the last four years. You also have to think those guys would have made better personnel moves, or at least installed schemes to better utilize the collection available.

There's also rumors that LeBron nixed the Stoudamire trade in favor of Jamison as he knew he was already leaving and how someone like Stoudamire may very well have swung the title to Cleveland in the long run, so how does he then use all this crap about not having the right players, etc. as his reason to leave? And before anyone mentions it, we all know LeBron was consulted and opinion provided on all personnel moves, so saying he's not the GM or coach and can't make those calls is clutching at straws.
 
The Cavs were and are a shower of shite without LeBron. They won 60+ games as they were a one man team carried by him. They are 8-22 so far and likely to finish with a worser win-loss record than that.

Rumours about Stoudamire spread by jinxed Cavs fans and org :lol:
 
Let's see... no Shaq, no Igaulskas, no West from 2009-10. That's quite a bit of depth and one starter gone from last season, plus LeBron. Of course he was responsible for much of their success, but one player alone doesn't win 60 games. They're shit now because they don't have a single top class player to spread the ball around and take over games. Do you even understand how team sports work? Ask Jordan if he would have won titles without contributions from Paxson, Cartwright, Perdue, etc.

Dunno about your other claim. That rumor was swirling around NBA circles and sports radio, not Cavs fans though they may or may not buy into it.
 
Thank feck, Lakers end their 3 game blowout losing streak with a big win in New Orleans. Good performance overall, too many turnovers but other than that a very good display and much better than the shit they played against the Heat.

Phil changed the starters for the first time this season by picking Bynum ahead of Odom and it was a good move, Bynum's presence in the paint was very useful early on and Odom got big points off the bench. I think this is the way to go, Odom's too good to be sitting on the bench but when Bynum plays the Lakers looks a much better team due to the size advantage, plus Odom contributes a lot from the bench.

A very good win, good performance and with the return of Bynum, hopefully the Lakers can put together a big win-streak. Best play of the game was Odom in the 4th quarter, I'll try to find a video of it - great move.
 
Garnett injured his leg in the Celtics loss at the Pistons. I find it very :lol: and a bit ironic that this happened against the Pistons after his remark about Villanueva.

Anyway, this was the Odom move against the Hornets :drool::

 
ha_rooney said:
Garnett injured his leg in the Celtics loss at the Pistons. I find it very :lol: and a bit ironic that this happened against the Pistons after his remark about Villanueva.

Anyway, this was the Odom move against the Hornets :drool::

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Brilliant!

Wade 17-24 today, 10 of 10 from the line against Houston away. This team looks like the real deal. They are very close to Boston for top seed now.
 
ha_rooney said:
Garnett injured his leg in the Celtics loss at the Pistons. I find it very :lol: and a bit ironic that this happened against the Pistons after his remark about Villanueva.

Anyway, this was the Odom move against the Hornets :drool::

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That was Kim K worthy screw Khlöe
 
The play before he picked Mike Conley and scored to give the lead that led up to this sequence. He's doing all this with plantar fasciitis as well.

This team is still fighting.
 
Two incredible shots there. Love the half-court buzzer beater, it's not expected to go in and when it does you feel great and the opponents just want to die.
 
Give me a footballer's celebration after scoring a goal over a baskeball player's actions. It's completely different the reaction. Football it's all about the sheer joy, sharing it with the team and fans. Basketball it's about all eyes on me, thumping your chest and preening. And people wonder why basketball is losing fans on the big stage.
 
roflwut?

Obvious troll is obvious since nearly everything about that sentence is wrong.
 
I'm a troll for voicing my opinion about a sport I used to enjoy watching and even played in high school? Interesting mindset there. And considering I've posted in this thread before renders your insult a bit ridiculous. This isn't someone from the cricket forum jumping into the MLB forum or vice versa.

Look at the differences. Both are fantastic plays



 
You posted a video of a player who openly said he wanted to leave a club because they weren't doing enough to convince HIM they are still elite....I see where your going.

Football has been ruined by the endless amounts of "me me me" players, every sport has tbf, but football has more than any other sport by far. I don't understand what you want that guy to do after the dunk, unlike goals in football, the top players score and score great dunks like 3/4 nights a week, so its not really a celebration thing, it's just routine, and also most of the time the game doesn't stop for them to celebrate with their team like in football unless you want to leave a fast break everytime.

A buzzer beater celebration in Basketball is better than almost anything, especially as a fan.
 
Because basketball players never exchange teams. Yawn.

I could pick dozens of goal celebrations that you couldn't use your ridiculous retort about leaving a club.

I don't see the point in chest thumping, taunting the opponent, etc.
 
Ridiculous because you chose it and it basically contradicted your point *shrugs*

You can post millions of clips of celebrations obviously, but it's missing the point. When it comes to the top elite talent, you have a hell of a lot more whiners and 'all about me' players in football than Basketball, easily. It's no surprise that the sulkiness of footballers when they lose/don't get what they want is a common joke for Americans, because it's true.
 
Heat keep rolling on, 20 wins out of 21 games and the Big 3 look menacingly good. Magic on an 8 game streak, looks like the big trade moves are working out for them at the moment.

Lakers won their third straight game, much better contributions from all the players during those games, Bynum starting gives us the option of Odom off the bench and it's worked well so far.

ESPN reporting Kobe saying he has a 'knee cartilage under his right knee cap', no idea what it means but it doesn't sound good with half the season + post-season still to come. His numbers haven't been affected so far, but with more wear and tear to come I hope it doesn't become anything serious.
 
Blake Griffin is doing so good in his first season. He is easily going to win the Rookie of the Year and also easily going to win the Dunk contest. He has not scored below 10 points this season so far. In other words he has no single digit scoring games so far. That is just amazing for a rookie.
 
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