Nani | Contract & Transfer talk

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swooshboy said:
I disagree and think we would regret letting him go.

He has all the talent in the world - what he lacks is confidence. You want a healthy competition for places of course, but some players need to know that they will still get a game even if they make a mistake. Nani has had some very good games here, and for a season and a half was remarkably consistent and one of our best players.

I would love to see if LvG could work with him. If you consider the turn around he has helped engineer with Young and also Fellaini (both who were also players low on confidence and seemingly on their way out of the club), then I would be interested to see if Nani would also benefit. If he did, he could be one of the best wingers in Europe.

So no way would I risk selling him for 10m.
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That the prodigal son would come back, prove his doubters wrong, and reclaim his throne is nothing but a pipe dream. The Nani ship sailed a couple of years back; he has the talent but was never able to mature as a player to play consistently at a big club. Getting him back would leave him and us in the same situation that we have seen far too often with him - he would have a good game, then spend a game hitting them in row Z, which would lead him to the bench. Rinse and repeat.

If LVG wanted to work with him, he could have done it last season. Instead, he sent him out on loan as part of the Rojo deal. 10m is as good a price we'll get for him, and with the added benefit of getting rid of his wages for the next three years - to me represents an excellent deal
 
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Insanity said:
That the prodigal son would come back, prove his doubters wrong, and reclaim his throne is nothing but a pipe dream. The Nani ship sailed a couple of years back; he has the talent but was never able to mature as a player to play consistently at a big club. Getting him back would leave him and us in the same situation that we have seen far too often with him - he would have a good game, then spend a game hitting them in row Z, which would lead him to the bench. Rinse and repeat.

If LVG wanted to work with him, he could have done it last season. Instead, he sent him out on loan as part of the Rojo deal. 10m is as good a price we'll get for him, and to me represents an excellent deal, with the added benefit of getting rid of his wages for the next three years.
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He would also have a so-so game, or a good game, and then spend the next few matches on the bench - while Valencia would play every game without fail, despite at the time not offering anything in attack.

At the start of the season, LvG was going with wing-backs, and rightly did not consider Nani suitable for that role. I think he would do much better as part of a front 3 - and would offer more than Young.

Also, if ADM is leaving, then I think selling him would leave us even more lacking.

EDIT - he also had a season where he was probably our best player - so he does have it in him.
 
swooshboy said:
He would also have a so-so game, or a good game, and then spend the next few matches on the bench - while Valencia would play every game without fail, despite at the time not offering anything in attack.

At the start of the season, LvG was going with wing-backs, and rightly did not consider Nani suitable for that role. I think he would do much better as part of a front 3 - and would offer more than Young.

Also, if ADM is leaving, then I think selling him would leave us even more lacking.
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I am sure we'll buy another wide player if di Maria left.

Valencia has played as a RB and I don't think he would find a spot back on the wing anymore. I hope that RB role is at the most as a back up for him next season.

VG said that he went with wing backs as he didn't have any decent wingers, and then he let Nani and Zaha leave on loan. We have already bought Depay to compete with Young on the left wing and for the right we'll buy someone else if di Maria leaves. That leaves Nani only as a back up for that position. Which is not really suitable to him as he is a player who needs to play consistently to produce the goods.

I think it'll be the same circle with Nani if he is kept on. If would be better for all parties if he moved on and found a team where he would be a starter.
 
Lay said:
What does that mean though? Does he have to score against them to have a good game?
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His way of justifying not bringing Nani back, (I suspect because he's one of the fans who have always got on nani's back whenever he makes a mistake, because he doesn't seem to be listening to the people who point out he's outplayed people we've been linked to this year in the Portuguese league.

Just for a comparison if we look at the goals hazard and sanchez have scored against the top 4 this year in all competitions, I think it's 1 or 2 a piece in 6-8 games. So nani's 1 in 5 against the top teams in the division doesn't look to bad.
 
He'll suit our 433 better than any wide man we've got at the club, Depay aside. He's a proper wing forward. Fast, athletic and a very good finisher, we'd be foolish not to give him another shot in a balanced formation.

Whether or not he wants to come back is another discussion.
 
Lay said:
What does that mean though? Does he have to score against them to have a good game?
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@Sly has already schooled me on this.

At his best Nani was very productive and scored and assisted alot. As much praise as he's for his form this year I claimed that he no longer posesses the level which he had and used his average goal/assist ratio as an argument. I was asked how I could not be as impressed as others, to impress me I'd like to see him produce more econsidering the level of competition. I'm not ignoring that he's had a good season, I merely made a poor attempt at putting it into perspective. And as I said before, I'd gladly have him back in the squad as long as his prescense doesn't hinder the progress an development of Januzaj or Depay. We'll need a broad squad next year and he's proven this year that he can still be of use to us.
 
mikey_d said:
His way of justifying not bringing Nani back, (I suspect because he's one of the fans who have always got on nani's back whenever he makes a mistake, because he doesn't seem to be listening to the people who point out he's outplayed people we've been linked to this year in the Portuguese league.

Just for a comparison if we look at the goals hazard and sanchez have scored against the top 4 this year in all competitions, I think it's 1 or 2 a piece in 6-8 games. So nani's 1 in 5 against the top teams in the division doesn't look to bad.
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Always? No, not when he performed well I wasn't. Unfortunately for us all though his form over the last two years playing for us has been atrocious and most of the critique he received during that time was totally justified.

I've listened to Sly and accept his perspective to be alot truer than mine.

And fyi I critizised Sanchez at the start of the season for not being prolific enough in the big games aswell. In that case though I wasn't as wrong.
 
Why would anyone want Nani to come back? He's 28 now and will be 29 in November so this is probably his peak now. I can't see how he's going to get any better so we've just got to sell him. We've got Depay, Di Maria, Young, Januzaj and Mata can play there too. Absolutely no need for Nani and I would sell him as soon as possible.
 
Kag said:
He'll suit our 433 better than any wide man we've got at the club, Depay aside. He's a proper wing forward. Fast, athletic and a very good finisher, we'd be foolish not to give him another shot in a balanced formation.
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Is he really though? A Nani of 3-4 seasons ago seemed to have it all and had really kicked on from that frustrating player in Ronaldos shadow. That Nani would suit our 433.

But his last 2.5 seasons with us was some of the frustrating i've ever seen. I'm sure people will say his stats were good but one moment in a entire game isnt enough for a team like United, if we want to challenge at the top. If we didnt have Di Maria i would agree hes worth another shot, but with him i think its time we cut our losses
 
It amazing how people go on about playing the 'United way' and the 2 best exponents of that way (Nani & Di Maria) half the supporters don't seem to want. Reminds me of when Giggsy was booed by the home fans, despite playing the sort of exciting attacking football that everyone wants.

I reckon these lot would have booed George Best sooner or later.
 
Sassy Colin said:
It amazing how people go on about playing the 'United way' and the 2 best exponents of that way (Nani & Di Maria) half the supporters don't seem to want. Reminds me of when Giggsy was booed by the home fans, despite playing the sort of exciting attacking football that everyone wants.

I reckon these lot would have booed George Best sooner or later.
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Losing the ball 9/10 and putting in shit crosses is not the 'United way'.
 
OneUnited24 said:
Is he really though? A Nani of 3-4 seasons ago seemed to have it all and had really kicked on from that frustrating player in Ronaldos shadow. That Nani would suit our 433.

But his last 2.5 seasons with us was some of the frustrating i've ever seen. I'm sure people will say his stats were good but one moment in a entire game isnt enough for a team like United, if we want to challenge at the top. If we didnt have Di Maria i would agree hes worth another shot, but with him i think its time we cut our losses
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I was referring to his skill set as opposed to his recent United form. If, and it's a big if admittedly, Nani was at the top of his game, he'd offer more goals than Di Maria and Young down our right hand side, and would stretch the play and get in behind opposition defenders more than Mata does.

It's wishful thinking, but players like Nani and Depay as the wide forwards in Van Gaal's 433 are theoretically exactly what we require in the side. Pace, strength, width, creativity. Piecing it all together is another discussion altogether, certainly. I'd give it a shot considering he's already at the club, however.
 
Kag said:
I was referring to his skill set as opposed to his recent United form. If, and it's a big if admittedly, Nani was at the top of his game, he'd offer more goals than Di Maria and Young down our right hand side, and would stretch the play and get in behind opposition defenders more than Mata does.

It's wishful thinking, but players like Nani and Depay as the wide forwards in Van Gaal's 433 are theoretically exactly what we require in the side. Pace, strength, width, creativity. Piecing it all together is another discussion altogether, certainly. I'd give it a shot considering he's already at the club, however.
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I agree on paper Nani has all the attributes we need for a 433. But imo thats where it stops. Hes done nothing in recent times that has had me think "wow"
 
OneUnited24 said:
I agree on paper Nani has all the attributes we need for a 433. But imo thats where it stops. Hes done nothing in recent times that has had me think "wow"
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Me neither. But if he's going to sit on his contract and is prepared to fight for his place next season then I think we're best served trying to make it work. If the likes of Young and Fellaini can turn it around under Van Gaal then Nani sure can, too.
 
The thing that pissed me off is that Nani on the left was hit and miss, but on the right he was a beast for us.
Fergie bought a winger who is more one footed than Long John Silver, much to the detriment of Nani.
As I said at the time, put Nani on the right, and Valencia on the left, then say who is the one good enough to be a first team starter.
Injuries did the rest of the damage to his reputation here (for some), but I am desperate to see Nani and Memphis as the wide forwards in our current set up.
 
Sir A1ex said:
OK, but I don't really understand.

Can you give an example of something in your life which has made you think "wow"?
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Youngs performance vs City, Herrera pulling the strings in midfield vs Asnl, Ditto Carrick in the City game, Mata vs Liverpool at Anfield (his overall play was brilliant that day), Di Maria vs Leicester (we lost but he played very well and scored a beauty)

Its been a long time since i've seen Nani play a good 90 minutes where i've thought "wow"
 
OneUnited24 said:
Youngs performance vs City, Herrera pulling the strings in midfield vs Asnl, Ditto Carrick in the City game, Mata vs Liverpool at Anfield (his overall play was brilliant that day), Di Maria vs Leicester (we lost but he played very well and scored a beauty)

Its been a long time since i've seen Nani play a good 90 minutes where i've thought "wow"
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Exactly. Never mind "wow" I'd settle for an example of a good 90 minutes performance from him in the last few years. That ill-fated game against Madrid was probably his last good game for United (albeit < 90). That was over two years ago. A lifetime if we're talking about dips in form. Unless anyone has any more recent examples?
 
OneUnited24 said:
Youngs performance vs City, Herrera pulling the strings in midfield vs Asnl, Ditto Carrick in the City game, Mata vs Liverpool at Anfield (his overall play was brilliant that day), Di Maria vs Leicester (we lost but he played very well and scored a beauty)

Its been a long time since i've seen Nani play a good 90 minutes where i've thought "wow"
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I see. Some of us can think "wow" for a period of less than 90 minutes though...:smirk:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Jesus Christ. Nani's being compared to Giggs and Best now. Well done.

As an aside, I have a sneaking suspicion he'd have been no less productive than Di Maria given the same number of games. Which is really fecking depressing.
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he'd probably have been just as frustrating, too!

Nani always did produce good goals and assists stats, even when not on form. It's a shame Young, for all his improvements this year, doesn't have the same delivery and finishing prowess, because his consistency in performances this season was way beyond anything we've seen from Nani in years.

Anyway, even as a fan of Nani (no shit) I think it's best he moved on.
 
Sir A1ex said:
I see. Some of us can think "wow" for a period of less than 90 minutes though...:smirk:
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My bad i probably should have qualified it better. Still moments of magic are great but at United we should be asking for more from our players. Its my biggest issue with Di Maria at the moment, he gets assists and a goal here/there but his overall performance is appauling... Or it has been since he got back from his injury around December.

But back to Nani, i think hes had enough time to show us what he can do and for the last few years hes not. Time to move on. All this has a Anderson type feel to it, some want him here because of what he might be able to do when i think its time we start to judge players on what they are actually doing.
 
Cina said:
he'd probably have been just as frustrating, too!

Nani always did produce good goals and assists stats, even when not on form. It's a shame Young, for all his improvements this year, doesn't have the same delivery and finishing prowess, because his consistency in performances this season was way beyond anything we've seen from Nani in years.

Anyway, even as a fan of Nani (no shit) I think it's best he moved on.
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Absolutely. Nani's delivery from wide areas is world class class and sorely missed, for all his flaws.
 
OneUnited24 said:
But back to Nani, i think hes had enough time to show us what he can do and for the last few years hes not. Time to move on. All this has a Anderson type feel to it, some want him here because of what he might be able to do when i think its time we start to judge players on what they are actually doing.
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I know this has been done to death, but for me it's different. 7 or 8 years ago, they both impressed us with "what they might be able to do", but Anderson never came close to fulfilling this on anything like a regular basis. Whereas after a couple of ups and downs, Nani had a period of about 18 months when he was pretty much the best winger in the league around 4 or 5 years ago.

It may be too long ago for us to hope for it to return, but it's not the same situation as Anderson, who clearly had to go.

If anything, I'd say there is a massive difference, in that Anderson's jolly, affable personality led many to want him to stay when really it was time for him to move on, whereas Nani's cry-baby persona has led a lot of people to want to see the back of him, regardless of his actual performances.
 
Sir A1ex said:
I know this has been done to death, but for me it's different. 7 or 8 years ago, they both impressed us with "what they might be able to do", but Anderson never came close to fulfilling this on anything like a regular basis. Whereas after a couple of ups and downs, Nani had a period of about 18 months when he was pretty much the best winger in the league around 4 or 5 years ago.

It may be too long ago for us to hope for it to return, but it's not the same situation as Anderson, who clearly had to go.

If anything, I'd say there is a massive difference, in that Anderson's jolly, affable personality led many to want him to stay when really it was time for him to move on, whereas Nani's cry-baby persona has led a lot of people to want to see the back of him, regardless of his actual performances.
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What i'm saying is i think Nani, like Anderson, has had enough time at United. If he cant get into the team ahead of the likes of Young and Valencia i find it hard to believe he'll manage to do the same with Memphis or Di Maria.
 
I think other Clubs are getting wise to players who are on top wages, when there's a desire for their Clubs to move them on. Along with RVP, I can't see us getting much of a cash offer for Nani. Given the uncertainty over Di Maria being able to re-capture his form, I'd be tempted to take Nani on the pre-season tour (for which Di Maria is unavailable I think), size him up & weigh up if it might be worth keeping him or even, keeping him ahead of Di Maria, who would appear to have a cash value. He just may have grown up, he just MAY, be our Alexis Sanchez.
 
OneUnited24 said:
What i'm saying is i think Nani, like Anderson, has had enough time at United. If he cant get into the team ahead of the likes of Young and Valencia i find it hard to believe he'll manage to do the same with Memphis or Di Maria.
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Thay may well be true.

I'm pretty resigned to the fact that when it comes to Nani and Rafael, I am purely arguing for what I think should happen, not what has any realsitic chance of happening in reality.
 
Insanity said:
That the prodigal son would come back, prove his doubters wrong, and reclaim his throne is nothing but a pipe dream. The Nani ship sailed a couple of years back; he has the talent but was never able to mature as a player to play consistently at a big club. Getting him back would leave him and us in the same situation that we have seen far too often with him - he would have a good game, then spend a game hitting them in row Z, which would lead him to the bench. Rinse and repeat.

If LVG wanted to work with him, he could have done it last season. Instead, he sent him out on loan as part of the Rojo deal. 10m is as good a price we'll get for him, and with the added benefit of getting rid of his wages for the next three years - to me represents an excellent deal
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That's incorrect.

Nani said "The club know my value and I know they want me to stay. It was me who made the choice to leave the club, and it was a good decision by me because I knew if I stayed one more season at Old Trafford it would be very hard for me. I just need someone to believe in me, trust me and my qualities and give me an opportunity to show them on the pitch. I was missing my family and friends and I wanted something new. The only opportunity I had to be happy, and Manchester United to be happy as well, was this one."

That was at the end of January, http://www.espnfc.co.uk/portuguese-...ester-united-want-him-to-stay-at-old-trafford

A month later http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ugal-winger-nani-hopeful-of-old-trafford-stay

"I love Manchester United, The only decision I made (last summer) was to play more and be me again, because I lost a lot of things there last season due to injuries and the change of manager. You never know the future. It depends on a lot of things. If United want me to stay then with a different mentality I think we can work well next season but there are a lot of things to discuss. I receive some texts from Ed Woodward, he texted me about the goal and the great season I am having here."
 
I'd be fine with him coming back here tbh, he seemed to be stuck in a rut here and the fans were against him (rightly so) but he's been away for awhile and gone back home played well (I think), he will probably feel well rested in a sense and ready to come back.

If a decent offer came in then I wouldnt be against cashing in but I wouldn't mind him back here.
 
it's amazing how much a player's reputation improves simply by not being anywhere near the team.

let's bring back anderson while we're at it.
 
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