Nani | Contract & Transfer talk
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NL Max is Memphis' agent, or dad, or neighbour, or went to school with him, or is just a PSV fan, or something.
I wasn't stating an opinion about who will stay and leave. I actually think Nani should leave. I also don't think Memphis has shown enough in his career to be placed ahead of Nani in a hypothetical deck of wingers at United. But that's neither here nor there.
Watch this and tell me we're not absolutely crying out for this kind of winger, its just so frustrating that Nani wasn't able to keep us that level of performance for us for more then 1/2 years...With the talent he has, he really should have done more with his United career imo.
His peak was when he won the POTY for United's 19th title, having reached stunning form in the previous season and continuing that by outperforming the official POTY the next season, despite being rotated constantly from the start of 2012.
2009/10 (hit form in Jan '10)
7 goals, 14 assists
2010/11 (POTY)
10 goals, 15 assists
2011/12 (dropped around December)
Nani 10 goals 15 assists
(POTY Valencia 6 goals 15 assists)
Over his United career of 8 years of which he was a regular starter for 2, he has maintained the same assists per game ratio as David Beckham.
Despite all this, I don't think he should come back -- it's clear LvG both doesn't trust him and doesn't have a system to accommodate him.
His peak was when he won the POTY for United's 19th title, having reached stunning form in the previous season and continuing that by outperforming the official POTY the next season, despite being rotated constantly from the start of 2012.
2009/10 (hit form in Jan '10)
7 goals, 14 assists
2010/11 (POTY)
10 goals, 15 assists
2011/12 (dropped around December)
Nani 10 goals 15 assists
(POTY Valencia 6 goals 15 assists)
Over his United career of 8 years of which he was a regular starter for 2, he has maintained the same assists per game ratio as David Beckham.
Despite all this, I don't think he should come back -- it's clear LvG both doesn't trust him and doesn't have a system to accommodate him.
I meant his age and not his performance peak. I like Nani, but realistically I don't see a place for him at the club anymore. I was only replying that getting 12m Euro would be a good deal for us given his wages, I wasn't trying to compare him to Memphis or anything.
Wow, what happened to our players taking on the opposition, ripping apart the small teams with great pieces of play, Nani is a very good player, shame his last 2 years he was either injured or frozen out by SAF for whatever reason, except when he put him in the team against RM, shows he knows Nani was an important, and big game player
Nani was unplayable at his best.
A huge opportunity was missed with Nani. He's an ideal player to build a team around, all he needs is trust from the team especially the manager. A team built around a distributor who also can finish with the best of them would simply be unplayable. He would essentially be a superstar team player if that can make sense, one who enjoys creating goals and engineering moves as much as scoring. At the core I don't think Nani is a selfish player and unfortunately that has been his undoing so far. Provided he gets the right fit, I won't be surprised if he does a Robben after he leaves.I desparately want LVG to Young Nani.
I totally agree. Plus he seems to play better when he does not have a more dominant teammate.
Fantastic! I still think he has it in him to be that player again (as long as he can stay healthy.) I'd actually be very happy with bringing both Nani and Hernandez back; not necessarily as starters, but as player who can add quality to the squad (I still think Hernandez could be a very useful striker to bring off the bench.)
I just got a news alert via something called sociallife on my phone with a story that Fenerbache are interesed in him.
plenty of clubs are interested in him, very few can afford his wages, and fewer are willing to pay them
Turkish clubs are mad though and they would pay his wages I think.
Quite a highlights reel. Love that goal against City (the Rooney bicycle kick game) - amazing first touch and such composure to slot it home.
@Sam I shouldnt have watched that - just makes me sad that he never got more of a chance at United. Always maintained that Nani was a player that could consistently deliver when he got consistent gametime. Instead he was sidelined for years whilst we had to watch Young and Valencia's inept displays, week after week.
Such a talented player - he had great technique, was two-footed, great pace and a good shot on him as well. I really find it ridiculous how he has been frozen out by the club and we are now likely to lose him for a pittance. You can bet that if he was playing abroad there would have been massive clamour to sign him, and if he was playing for Chelsea they would be getting £30m for him.
Such a talented player - he had great technique, was two-footed, great pace and a good shot on him as well. I really find it ridiculous how he has been frozen out by the club and we are now likely to lose him for a pittance. You can bet that if he was playing abroad there would have been massive clamour to sign him, and if he was playing for Chelsea they would be getting £30m for him.
Love that video. Its such a shame, Nani could have been absolutely world class, things just didn't go right for him and his attitude was a big factor in that I think. Some people forget how good he actually was for us though. Even with him being known as "inconsistent" he was still always up at the top of the assist charts even when missing large parts of the season. Would love to see him given a chance to compete for a place on the wing next season but I just cant see it unless we are selling Di Maria.
I really wish we would give Nani one more chance to show us what he can do, it's mental to not even consider him a highly useful squad player for us next season. Not saying he should be starting every game at all but a player of his talent could get plenty of games for us throughout the season so why not give him a chance? I know we're quite stocked in the wide areas but with the ridiculous amount of injuries we usually get in the season I'm sure Nani can play an important part.
Young, Valencia, Januzaj, Di Maria and Memphis are all good wide options to have, along with Mata too but Nani can offer some quality and goals as well. Considering we have four trophies to aim for I don't see why we would sell Nani and lose him as an option when he has such a long contract left and is used to the Premier League. He can get us plenty of assists and goals next season, the only way we should be selling him is if we're bringing in another top quality wide player like Bale, which sure as hell isn't going to happen, or Nani himself wants to leave to a club he will be a starter. Don't get these Gaitan rumours either, got a bad feeling there's some legs to it this time though and Nani probably has played his last game for us.
Young, Valencia, Januzaj, Di Maria and Memphis are all good wide options to have, along with Mata too but Nani can offer some quality and goals as well. Considering we have four trophies to aim for I don't see why we would sell Nani and lose him as an option when he has such a long contract left and is used to the Premier League. He can get us plenty of assists and goals next season, the only way we should be selling him is if we're bringing in another top quality wide player like Bale, which sure as hell isn't going to happen, or Nani himself wants to leave to a club he will be a starter. Don't get these Gaitan rumours either, got a bad feeling there's some legs to it this time though and Nani probably has played his last game for us.
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I would like to see him stay as well. On the point of us being well stocked for wingers, can anyone actually make a good arguement that any of our current wingers are actually much better than Nani? Every single one of them is inconsistent. Januzaj - poor season, gone off the boil, needs to go out on loan. Valenica - Cant cross to save his life and is now a right back. Young - Was shocking up until this season, but was superb for us this season so I cant really argue with that. Di Maria - Class on his day but also very inconsistent and poor end to the season. Depay - New signing who will hopefully be a great player for us but has no experience in the league and who knows how good he will be. Yes that's putting a negative spin on things but Nani is better than all of them on his day and he is still our player, he can create something out of nothing and you need players like that in your squad when you struggle to break down the opposition and I don't see many others in this squad that can do that.
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Seriously underrated player. Just needs a manager to show some faith in him. fecking annoying if we sell him
Didn't see it myself but hearing Nani had a shocker today for Portugal vs Armenia! Same old from Nani.
He had so much potential but he fecked it all up, tried far too hard to emulate Ronaldo. We've far too many wide players now and he is surplus to requirements it seems.
He had so much potential but he fecked it all up, tried far too hard to emulate Ronaldo. We've far too many wide players now and he is surplus to requirements it seems.
When is the tour squad released? Hope he's included
Had a bad game = "Same old Nani!"
Yep! Sure didn't he have plenty of bad games for United?!
For me the most frustrating player to ever pull on the United jersey! So much potential but never lived up to it. Too busy dreaming about Ronaldo to fulfil his potential.
I really don't understand where everyone gets this misconception from? It's bollox and gets spouted about constantly. He's always been a different player to Ronaldo, he's not as established a finisher but more modern winger. Not to add, he's said on multiple occasions he hated being compared to Ronaldo, mentioned he wanted to be his own player.
Exactly. Player being skillful = trying to be Ronaldo, or player playing on wing.. he must be trying so hard to emulate Ronaldo. Sounds like that guy has some sort of vendetta against Nani.
Only if everyone would say something like this when Rooney has bad games.. Wish is 10-15 games in every season!
You mean that they don't?
Some yeah but should be more of it.
No he isn't, he very much tried and still tries to emulate Ronaldo. He failed spectacularly! He simply just isn't anywhere near as good as Ronaldo, although that'll never stop the guy from thinking he can still be as good as him!
No vendetta, I'm glad he's had a good season in Portugal. My opinion is that if we took him back he'd be the same old frustrating Nani we've always had. Nothing has changed. He'll run past 3 players making it look like the easiest thing in the world to do to be left with an open goal and give us the finish of Ronny Rosenthal!
People here suggesting we take him back are the very one's who'd be straight on here berating him and LVG for ever taking him back the second he has a nightmare game. People we're crying out for the guy to be sold last summer as they were sick and tired of him, one decent season back home in Portugal and now he's the most wanted man?
So your argument to take Nani back is because Rooney has bad games also? Now there's some logic.
Yes Rooney has bad games, same as any other United player. Personally I think Rooney can and will still deliver for United over the next couple of seasons, I don't think Nani would if he were to stay. That's why Rooney will play out the rest of his career at United.
For me Nani is still the same old player and will infuriate the fans within a matter of weeks, he'll continue to run into corners with his head down, over play everything with ridiculous and unnecessary step overs and the like and the end product isn't there enough to vindicate him having yet another chance to prove himself.
Edit: Suggesting there should be more abuse of our club captain is pathetic really. He's a club legend and on the cusp of being the clubs all time goal scorer, Yet you see something wrong in me not wanting Nani back at the club? Very strange logic!
After reading your posts I've come to two conclusions.
1. You know absolutely nothing about football, and individuals footballers in particular.
2. You play FIFA and read the The Star or The Sun to form your opinion on football so you can fit in with your mates at the local weatherspoons.
Either way, I've never quite read something about one of our players and it been so completely out of line with their playing style and their individual attitudes:
Bravo.
1. You know absolutely nothing about football, and individuals footballers in particular.
2. You play FIFA and read the The Star or The Sun to form your opinion on football so you can fit in with your mates at the local weatherspoons.
Either way, I've never quite read something about one of our players and it been so completely out of line with their playing style and their individual attitudes:
Bravo.
Soooo, because I don't share the same opinion as you that means you have a right to be self righteous and belittle another posters opinion? Amazing how you can form those opinions without knowing the person behind the monitor, shows a lack of intelligence on your part more than anything else.
The fact you go straight to the most common insult used when someone disagrees with you in a discussion about football furthers my point.
You also provide zero feedback to prove your point, where's the basis of your argument? Or are you here just to insult?
Again, nothing against Nani and he had a fantastic season for us back in 2010/11. Since then his form has dropped off and the right thing to do was to loan him out to find form again. Thing is now, we've got a ridiculous amount of wide players to cater to, he is surplus to requirements it seems when you have Di Maria, Depay, Young, Valencia, Mata and Januzaj who desperately needs game time.
If you had any reasoning in your previous post, such as an actual analytical comparison instead of Ronny Rosenthal for finishing (Nani was without doubt one of the better one on finishers at the club) you may have found yourself in a well thought out debate.
However you decided to state such nonsense about your 'opinion' that it didn't quite merit the well thought out articulate reply you clearly thought you deserved.
If you can name me one instance where anyone within football (coaching, players, managers) has said Nani 'WANTS to be Ronaldo' despite his completely different physique, style, mentality , approach to football, defensive ability etc .... I'll give you the answer.
Weird agenda posting at its finest. Well done!
How dare he ever have a bad game or try to emulate one of the best footballers of our generation. Stupid Nani. If only he had listened to your esteemed opinion and knowledge of the game more, then he or anyone else would never have a bad game, ever!
Your agenda posting is pretty pathetic tbh.
Nani - Polarizing Caftards since 2007
Comical!
One of the most half arsed, feeble attempts at a penalty I've seen!
And another! I like the commentary on this myself too!
As the saying goes... I'll save the best for last...
Without doubt the better finishers??????
Well thought out debate? Where? All I see is posts from people with short term memory loss! His name was probably the first to be mentioned with transfers out the last two summers and with good reason!
As for the second highlighted part, he may not of said it (quite the opposite) actually he said he wasn't the next Ronaldo, reality is though on the pitch he done everything in his ability to emulate Ronaldo's playing style. From his constant step overs, flips and tricks and even his running technique was identical. He didn't help himself at all really. As you can see from my evidence above though he didn't have the end product like Ronaldo though and hence Fergie and Utd supporters grew frustrated with him.
Short video here and its clear to see there are a lot of similarities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QgKRhpuXGE
How on earth is there an agenda? What agenda? Where?
I actually said he was a quality payer in 2010/11 but his form dipped off, how is that an agenda? Christ on a bike!
Yep, that's it in a nutshell.
This time the last two summers his name was at the top of he list to be sold.
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