....nor should he.
Nani | Contract & Transfer talk
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Unless Di Maria goes (which is unlikely) I can only see him staying if we can't get rid of him, and even then if we can't sell him we'd probably just shift him out on loan again. Which would be a shame, I still think he has a lot to offer.
Won Portuguese cup today with Sporting in a penalty shootout after a very brave comeback from 2-0 after having to play with 10 men after 15 minutes. No idea how he played though but it seems that Braga choked pretty badly.
He'll defo be on his bike if we can find a buyer. Nani could excel at clubs like Dortmund, Inter, Everton.....He's a fine player for a club of that level but is just not cut out to be consistent at a level higher at clubs like Utd, Chelsea, Bayern etc....Would be a shame to see him dig his heels in to stat at Utd if another smaller club can't get close to what we pay him
Yep, it was an epic win. The players were incredible and all the supporters are proud. Nani was excellent and one of our best players. Always dangerous, not affraid to take the ball forward, helped defensively alot since we were down to 10 in the first 15 mins like you said and cooly scored his penalty in the shootout. Once again Nani leaves us after helping us win a cup. He had a very positive year and all the supporters love him. He confirmed that he´s leaving and returning to Manchester. He will be missed.
Before giving him away for something like 5 Mio I hope we will Keep him.
Why are we even thinking about giving him away? Players with his level of ability are so so rare.
I personally would love to see him back.
Don't disrespect Nani!
Not true anymore. For a 2 or 3-year period about 4 years ago this was true but he's a slightly above average winger today. This year was his chance to reinvent himself but it hasn't really happened.
Not against him staying as a squad option though.
A few posts above yours some sporting fan talks about how well he's done and how the fans love him yet you're not impressed?
I obvioulsy haven't watched much of Sporting this season, but from the UCL games earlier this seaosn, I remember him being one of the standout players in the group stages. Also from the views of some Sporting fans in this thread, hes been excellent this season.
So I don't really understand your statement there...
Eh? You must have watched a different Nani. Not only he was one of the best players in Portugal, he put up very good numbers and was excellent in the Champions League. Dunno if it´s enough for him to have another chance at United but he certainly had a very positive year
I'd love Nani back, but there is every chance that he will be back to square one and warming the bench should he not prove his worth. If that ends up the case then his confidence will be gone. The chap clearly needs regular first team football and he will not get that at United.
If he set his mind to it, he could be our Alexis Sanchez.
Nope, considering the level of competition he should be outstanding. His numbers certainly aren't, and he's shown zero productivity against the better sides such as Porto and Benfica.
It's far from general consensus that he's even the best winger in the league. I've heard other people who follow portuguese football call Brahimi and Gaitan the best also.
Let´s compare Nani´s numbers with Gaitán from the supposed/invented United interest media rumours:
Gaitán- Portuguese league: 4 goals and 7 assists; Champions league: 0 goals and 1 assist; Portuguese cup: 0 goals and 0 assists
Nani- Portuguese league: 7 goals and 6 assists; Champions league: 4 goals and 2 assist; Portuguese cup: 1 goal and 1 assist
Gaitán- Portuguese league: 4 goals and 7 assists; Champions league: 0 goals and 1 assist; Portuguese cup: 0 goals and 0 assists
Nani- Portuguese league: 7 goals and 6 assists; Champions league: 4 goals and 2 assist; Portuguese cup: 1 goal and 1 assist
He is great, he has been dealt a bad hand ever since Valencia was brought back in to the side after his injury.
I cant think of anywhere else where a player of his talent would be discarded so readily for the sake of some decent man management.
I cant think of anywhere else where a player of his talent would be discarded so readily for the sake of some decent man management.
We know Nani is good enough for us. He's already proven it.
Jus bring him back and stick him on the right wing and reap the rewards.
Jus bring him back and stick him on the right wing and reap the rewards.
You don´t know what you´re talking about. Nani was actually better against the top sides rather than the smaller teams. He was MoM against Porto away with an amazing goal and assist. He was better than Gaitán in both home and away games with Benfica and he was excellent against Schalke and decent against Chelsea. And he was the best winger in the league along with Gaitán but with better numbers. Brahimi started well but he ended the year in very poor form and booed by some Porto supporters. He was one tier bellow Nani and Gaitán. Nani has also been very decent in our national team as usual. The level Nani has displayed in the Champions League for both Sporting and United, Gaitán can only dream about achieving it. Stop inventing stuff, if you don´t know what you´re talking about.So that is why he has terrorised Chelsea, Arsenal, Real and Bayern for us in the past. Give him the trust and he will do it again. Can't deny that he is productive as few and a big game player.
IMO it was a mistake to send him out on loan, think he could have been good for us this season if we just stuck with the 433 from the start of the season.
If LVG can get a good season out of Ashely Young, imagine how good Nani would have been.
However the loan was very good for Nani and whether hes back in our squad next season or not, I expect him to have another very good season somewhere (I'd rather it be @ United)
If LVG can get a good season out of Ashely Young, imagine how good Nani would have been.
However the loan was very good for Nani and whether hes back in our squad next season or not, I expect him to have another very good season somewhere (I'd rather it be @ United)
Well it's difficult to know why we loaned him out but we know his quality. Some people talk nonsense when it comes to Nani. Pre Injury, we knew that if you gave him the ball he would more often then not produce quality. Some seem to talk about two seasons where he was jinxed. He's in his prime and it could be a big season for him. LVG should try him in his best position and not as a forward.
Congrats on the cup win mate.
LvG should give him the pre-season tour and play him as part of the front 3 on the right, he's not played there for us in this system.
Part of me would love to keep Nani but he's a player who needs consistent playing time to get up to speed and continuous faith from the manager which I don't think he's going to get here, not when we have Mata, Di Maria, Young and now Depay.
As long as he's undoubtedly first choice he can easily play for a team in the Champions League and would rightly be worth at least £20m. I doubt we'll get that fee though but it's probably best for both us and him that he moves on. Still glad to hear he's topped off his good loan spell with a trophy.
As long as he's undoubtedly first choice he can easily play for a team in the Champions League and would rightly be worth at least £20m. I doubt we'll get that fee though but it's probably best for both us and him that he moves on. Still glad to hear he's topped off his good loan spell with a trophy.
Congrats to him and Sporting fans for the cup win! Sounds like a really good comeback. Not sure I could do with the hassle of a million people jumping down his throat as soon as he misplaces a pass again though. Maybe we could get a decent fee for him as he's had a pretty good year. We've already got Memphis and Di Maria set for the wings by the looks of it and can play Mata/Young out there too if need be.
Thanks mates. We are all very pleased with the win. Last time we won some silverware was 7 years ago and we really wanted to win the cup and celebrate something As for Nani, i wish him the best whether it´s at United or any other european club. Always been respectful and grateful towards us. That´s something we don´t see and hear often in modern football.
As for Nani, i wish him the best whether it´s at United or any other european club. Always been respectful and grateful towards us. That´s something we don´t see and hear often in modern football.
What am I inventing?
As I said, it's not my opinion but the opinion of other people who follow portuguese football.
I don't have the insight that you have, I'm an outsider looking in when it comes to the portuguese League. But a Quick look at his games this season shows he's got 1 goal in five games against Porto and Benfica. Schalke aren't a big team, they concede as many goals as they score. All the games in which he's scored and assisted have been in games against low quality teams that someone who doesn't follow portuguese football probably never even Heard of.
As I said in my initial reply, I agree that I'd rather have him back than give him away but I don't think he can reach the level he once held and this season certainly hasn't convinced me otherwise as the only difference between this one and the preceding two seasons are that he's managed to stay relatively injury free and generally faced opposition of inferior quality. The numbers he's put up pretty much matches the likes of his competitors in the League, i.e Brahimi (7/6), Quaresma (6/6) and Gaitan according to transfermarkt got 4 goals and 15 assists this year not 4 and 7 as you said in your earlier post. Those numbers, in that competition, just don't impress me much.
I'll concede that I'm often pushed into extremism and unreason when it comes to Nani because of how our own fans every year in his abscense (due to injury or other) big him up as the messiah to our offensive troubles only to crash down on him when he can't perform to those expectations. Maybe I'm just trying to manage, or balance expectations. I'm on very thin ice here indeed.
I would love him back, but maybe it's better for him if he finds himself another club, as I don't want our fans to moan everytime he tries something and loses the ball or misplaces a pass. I also think Nani and Di Maria both in the same team would be too much a risk for our in certain aspects risk averse ***********. A shame really, as with the right and balanced midfield behind them (which we haven't had for ages) both would be devastating and a joy to watch.Thanks mates. We are all very pleased with the win. Last time we won some silverware was 7 years ago and we really wanted to win the cup and celebrate something
Oh and Nani's pens are always so cool and well placed. Still remember very well how all hope was on a 21 year old Nani to keep us in the CL final in 2008 with the last regular pen and he didn't disappoint (otherwise we would have never seen JT slip and us winning that final).
And congrats to you and your club for the Cup win. Well done! Very happy for you and Nani!
Ok, so it´s people who follow portuguese football. People that seem to be as clueless as you are if they think Nani is bellow Gaitán or Brahimi. If i take the gloryhunter path and neglect our domestic football (just because you don´t know the teams, doesn´t mean they don´t have quality or aren´t hard to play at their stadium, i mean Braga beat Arsenal in the Champions League some years ago), if we compare Gaitán or Brahimi´s performances in the biggest competition (the Champions League), they haven´t came close to replicating the level Nani has achieved. Nani this year in a weaker team (comparing to United) put up better performances than Gaitán ever produced in europe. United fans have every right to have an opinion and not wanting Nani back but to comparing him to Gaitán is laughable. There´s a reason why he is still stuck at Benfica at 27 years of age. It´s because he isn´t good enough to warrant a top club move. Something that Nani has achieved and justified for a couple of years.
Again i´ll educate you about Nani´s performance in the big games. Just because he didn´t score or assist doesn´t mean he wasn´t "productive". This year´s the portuguese big games, have been very close, with few goals and very balanced affairs. Nani has been very good in 90% of the big games. And he plays in a supposedly "inferior" team with 1/3 of the budget compared to Porto and Benfica. He certainly been better than Gaitán and Brahimi in the big games. The only player that outshinned him once was Tello for Porto in the Dragon stadium game, where he was amazing. But for example in the Portuguese Cup Porto game away, Nani was MoM with an amazing goal and assist. Biggest criticism about Nani from Sporting fans was some of his perfomances against the smaller teams, where he wasn´t as motivated and couldn´t be arsed. In the big game, he was always a top performer and some lack of results weren´t due to his "production" but rather having a very limitated striker up front and a very frail defence.
About Gaitán numbers i took them from a Benfica blog, i guess they weren´t uptdated. But the numbers for the Champions League were and prove his poor campaign and lack of influence in an underachieving Benfica team. Nani on the other hand was the bright spot of our campaign, the main driving force in an almost sucessful campaign (we missed the next stage because of a referee mistake in Germany where the ref gave a penalty to Schalke for a "handball" that hit our defenders head). The same Schalke that put up a big fight against Real Madrid. So they aren´t a big team but they were (this year) in Europe a decent side. Certainly a side with much more resources and financial power compared to us.
I already gave my opinion about Nani. With Memphis and Di Maria (if you keep him) in the wings, i think you should sell Nani. He´s already 28 years of age and wants to play first team football in order to keep his Portugal national team spot. For those reasons, i think that staying at United will damage his chances of replicating a very positive football year that he achieved at Sporting. If he is willing to stay and fight for spot in a very long season that United will have next year, i think he will have some chances because let´s face it, it´s not like your other wing choices had an amazing year (this if you don´t buy more wingers). He could be useful but of course knowing Nani´s expectations, i would sell him since he appears to have market interest in Spain, Italy and even in England.
Completely agree with your post. And thanks, it was certainly an amazing win and excellent day for us Sporting supporters
Im in the opposite camp and think its time he left. There was a time after Ronaldo left i expected him to step up and for a time he did. But his last two seasons with us were as frustrating as his second and third, i just dont think hes been good for a while and i'm sure people will point to injuries/not in the first team as the reason but i think hes just not good enough or consistent enough for a team like United.
LVG had him playing as the central forward in pre-season and that was not good for him. He wasn't going to play a wingback for LVG and we had enough and better forward options, so loaning him out made sense. However, in the way we finished the season - it would be really silly of LVG to not at least him play him in the system and see how he fares - either in the Young or Mata role. Unless LVG already had something against him.
Def hope he at least gets a chance, deserves it.
Def hope he at least gets a chance, deserves it.
Im pretty sure LvG already made up his mind about him and the signing of Depay surely makes his retunr even less likely - I'll be surprised if we see him in a United shirt again.
The loan has done him good though and there should surely be a lot of interest in him - Im sure we will be getting decent offers for him, only his wages might be a stumbling block.
If we win those qualifiers we will have CL games. You also have to consider that we should do much better in the league cup as well.
There will be more games and we will have to use a full squad. Depay Di Maria young and Nani is a pretty damn solid set of wingers with flair, pace and skill.
There will be more games and we will have to use a full squad. Depay Di Maria young and Nani is a pretty damn solid set of wingers with flair, pace and skill.
Read that Inter are after him and the fee we are looking for would be around 10m pounds. Good deal for us, if we could make that happen.
I disagree and think we would regret letting him go.
He has all the talent in the world - what he lacks is confidence. You want a healthy competition for places of course, but some players need to know that they will still get a game even if they make a mistake. Nani has had some very good games here, and for a season and a half was remarkably consistent and one of our best players.
I would love to see if LvG could work with him. If you consider the turn around he has helped engineer with Young and also Fellaini (both who were also players low on confidence and seemingly on their way out of the club), then I would be interested to see if Nani would also benefit. If he did, he could be one of the best wingers in Europe.
So no way would I risk selling him for 10m.
What does that mean though? Does he have to score against them to have a good game?
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