He will have take one wherever he goes or rather not and it will be subsidised by MUFC. Expect the CAF to go mental when he leaves for peanuts.
Nani | Contract & Transfer talk
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He will have take one wherever he goes or rather not and it will be subsidised by MUFC. Expect the CAF to go mental when he leaves for peanuts.
Agreed. People moan we are playing too safe and side too side, predictable etc, but when we have the flair players who try to force passes playing they get slated for being wasteful and inconsistent. You can't have either, I would rather 9/10 passes fail and that 1 to create a goal, than 10/10 just being moved side to side with no penetration.
I see your point, but the issue is those 9 failed passes will likely lead to conceeding a goal, esp if its done in midfield.
Players like Nani though and Di Maria, in the attacking third, and out wide need to be able to take risks, and be allowed to at times conceed posession, if they are too afraid to do so, it detracts from their game.
Not sure what you're saying there but I doubt that even the transfer genius, Sir Edward of Woodward, would draw the line at paying his wages again next season.
Ideally, you'd want a player that doesn't fail with 90% of their penetrative passes. Which is definitely possible.
I actually do think Nani would have improved us a lot this season. I didn't mind him going on the assumption that Di Maria could do everything he does, only better. How wrong I was...
It is common practice for clubs to sell unwanted players on high wages at discounted fees so the buying clubs can at least get close to the wages levels that the player was on. There is a reason why we sell our players for confusing and odd low fees.
It is a case of having unwanted player on the books taking millions in wages or getting him off it and getting something back.
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Yeah I think that's why he doesn't like playing Di Maria in midfield now, he does lose the ball a little too easily. On the wing though he should be encouraged rather than people getting on his back. It was just like what happened with Nani in the last game, Di maria made mistake after mistake and the crowd wailed and booed. That's never going to get him playing better?. It's obviously hard to keep your emotions inside at a time like that but it can be really damaging.
With Depay confirmed, I would say that it looks like curtains for Nani, which is a shame. Only way I could see him staying now is if one of Di Maria/Young leaves in the summer, and Januzaj goes out on loan.
True, but what frustrates me about Di Maria is not when he tries something inventive but is unsuccessful, it's when he misplaces a 5 or 10 yard pass - because he really should be better than that. That's one thing Ronaldo was extremely consistent at - even when he was still inconsistent in his end product. His first touch and short passing was extremely sure and accurate.
Think it was always likely to be curtains for Nani, just as it was for Hernandez. Depay in and Nani out seems like a good move so I guess it's just about getting the best price we can for Nani now.
Wonder which teams would be interested?
It is a shame for me as I have always rated Nani and thought that he performed well when given consistent gametime (which was not often). I see the likes of Januzaj and Depay as similar sorts of players. Depay probably wont struggle for gametime so I fully expect him to develop and do well, but Januzaj has been stifled a bit and could do with a loan I think. But I would have said the same for Nani in his first few years at the club.
There are very few people in world football that have the technical skill of Nani. It is such a pity that our style of play does not accommodate a player like him. Watching CL football this week to me it is clear that he could fit in well with any of the 4 remaining teams. With us he would have to be a crosser of the ball. I still think in the Right club Nani can shine on a consistent basis. Unfortunately we are not that club.
I still think he's one of the most naturally gifted players in our squad so I'd like him back. If we loan out Januzaj (as we really should) and play Mata through the middle, a selection of Depay, Di Maria, Young and Nani on the wings is extremely strong without being overkill.
Can't see him staying really. A top form Nani would be great but that is done with I think. We have Depay, Di Maria, Mata, Young, Januzaj for wide options, and Januzaj is struggling for game time anyways and might end up on loan. Nani only performs well if he is trusted to start every week, and he just won't get the patience he needs with the options we have.
Still room for him. If Di Maria ends up central again, Januzaj goes on loan then we only really have 3 wingers. Mata on the right isn't a long term solution for him, plus I don't see Young holding down a starting spot next season. I'd like to see him given a proper chance under LVG.
Are you talking about United under Van Gaal? Only Nani was marginalised by the last two managers as well, so whatever's gone wrong for him at United has nothing to do with Van Gaal. Not to mention that I don't see any real difference between his style and that of Depay's. Who Van Gaal obviously thinks fits perfectly with our style of play.
I'd like him to be given the chance but I feel it's very unlikely now we've signed Memphis.
If Nani has any chance of coming back to United the signing of Depay just made it even harder for him. A lot depends on whether Van Gaal wants to give up on the back five for good, or not. If we're going to be playing with wingbacks again next season then it makes sense to hold onto Young, as he's proven he can play the position and I can't see Nani being able for that role. Ditto Valencia, on the opposite flank, albeit better at defending but worse going forwards.
If 352 is gone for good, though, I would see Nani as an upgrade on Young. In terms of what they bring in the final third, Nani would arguably be the most creative wide man on our books. If we stick with a formation where the front three can focus all their efforts on being creative, without getting too heavily involved in defending or possession football then he'd be a valuable addition to our squad next season.
If 352 is gone for good, though, I would see Nani as an upgrade on Young. In terms of what they bring in the final third, Nani would arguably be the most creative wide man on our books. If we stick with a formation where the front three can focus all their efforts on being creative, without getting too heavily involved in defending or possession football then he'd be a valuable addition to our squad next season.
Well considering Nani can play on the right and Depay only plays on the left, I don't think it's as clear cut a decision as many seem to think. Mata, as much as I love him, is pointless on the wing against teams that park the bus. We need width and he cuts in far too often. Nani could be that guy as long as he has a proper right back behind him.
Something like this could work.
---------------De Gea-------------
Clyne---Jones---Smalling---Shaw
---------------Carrick--------------
--------Herrera----Gundogan-----
Nani-------------------------Depay
----------------Rooney-------------
with Di Maria, Blind, Fellaini, Mata, Young as other options. Januzaj and Pereira will probably go out on loan.
Something like this could work.
---------------De Gea-------------
Clyne---Jones---Smalling---Shaw
---------------Carrick--------------
--------Herrera----Gundogan-----
Nani-------------------------Depay
----------------Rooney-------------
with Di Maria, Blind, Fellaini, Mata, Young as other options. Januzaj and Pereira will probably go out on loan.
I'd love to see a confident Nani in the 4-3-3 we've been playing recently. His ability to play on the left or right means he'd be a good squad member too. If Young can prove his worth to LvG then I'm sure Nani can too!
Would love to see him given a chance on the opposite wing to Depay and I think he could do great things if Van Gaal showed some belief and trust in him. I really cant see it happening now though, I think he is on his way out the door.
Hope he goes on the pre-season tour, impresses and then takes it on from there. In an ideal world Young should be the emergency LB or sold. Good player, but Nani is so much better.
Isnt Young already in contract talks with United? He isnt going to be sold. Nani on the other hand is gone just like Hernandez me thinks.
If I was Nani I'd go elsewhere. With his agent's contacts I'm sure he'll find a place that gives him a genuine chance to secure a spot in the team.
Yeah, as I said, ideal world
If I were him i'd stay another season and give it all I have, especially after Di Maria's underwhelming first season here. He has a decision to make. I hope LVG keeps him
Why sell Young after the good season he's had? What kind of message would that send? We're going to need Young next season.
Young deserves to stay, after the season he is having.plus he is pretty good in several positions and i think his work ethic impressed van gaal.
As for nani, i agree he needs a great pre season to start things going. Depay on the left and an in form nani on the right would be brilliant.
Of all the lads out on loan nani seems to have the best chance of returning to the side. Having said this ,nani leaving united would not be a big surprise though.
As for nani, i agree he needs a great pre season to start things going. Depay on the left and an in form nani on the right would be brilliant.
Of all the lads out on loan nani seems to have the best chance of returning to the side. Having said this ,nani leaving united would not be a big surprise though.
I would love us to keep Nani and send Januzaj out on loan.
Van Gaal has often spoken about the balance Fellaini brings to the team, but I can't help thinking that's because he isn't 100% happy with our back 5 (particularly when Carrick is out). He might be looking to bring Di Maria inside once he's happy that our defence is sorted. So you'd have a similar 4-1-4-1 formation as we are currently playing but possibly with:
_______Carrick
Mata Herrera Di Maria Nani
_______Rooney
Obviously with Depay rotating with both Mata and Nani (bear in mind we'll be hoping for 60 games next season). I certainly don't see that as an unbalanced formation for 90% of the games we'll play next season. Young would obviously drop to 4th choice, but as he can also fill in a number of positions he'd see a fair few minutes.
My gut feeling though is that Nani will be sold, unfortunately.
I think that's exactly why we should sell him. He's getting on a bit now, he's shown he can play football, with the right motivation, so compared with last season, when he wasn't worth shit, he now has some value to him.
I really hope he gets one more chance in pre-season and takes it. At his best he's such an asset to have, and a far far better player then Young, I'd also say he's a better winger then Di Maria in all honesty.
I was fully behind him going in the Summer, as I thought he looked awful in pre-season. Slow, sluggish, disinterested, and generally like he could't give a crap - which might explain his comments about being home sick and wanting to go back to Portugal for a bit - but if he can come back motivated, and show his form from this season, then surely he's worth a place in the squad? And this is coming from someone who had all but given up on the Nani ship.
I was fully behind him going in the Summer, as I thought he looked awful in pre-season. Slow, sluggish, disinterested, and generally like he could't give a crap - which might explain his comments about being home sick and wanting to go back to Portugal for a bit - but if he can come back motivated, and show his form from this season, then surely he's worth a place in the squad? And this is coming from someone who had all but given up on the Nani ship.
Don't rush to sell Nani too quickly. Di Maria might choose to leave and other players might get injured too. We always need at least 2 players for every position. (More if it's a CD)
Yup. That's my take on it too.
I like it when we agree on things Pogue, its a rare but beautiful thing these days
So, are we keeping him?
I like it when we agree on things Pogue, its a rare but beautiful thing these days
That's just selection bias though. Being an argumentative twat, I'm far more likely to quote posts I disagree with!
I think LVG will keep him. Didn't Nani said himself that he wanted a move to play regulary and regain his form. I think LVG saw a opportunity to give him that and get fresh, inform and happy player next season. And he helped in the Rojo transfer which was only a bonus. The two players which are under a bigger question for me are Di Maria and Januzaj. Di Maria is not good enough on the wing and he is not a midfielder for LVG sistem. And Januzaj is having a really bad season.
If van Gaal did the same with Nani as he did with Hernandez he will be sold.
'I told Hernandez that he would be a reserve and that a move would be better for him. If he now scores a couple of goals that's not going to change my opinion.'
Its more likely that Nani was too difficult to offload with his wages when he wasn't in form, sending him as sweetener to buy Rojo was good for all involved. He's doing well for Sporting so it should be easier to sell him now.
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