It's better than having him sit on the bench and paying his wages. His stock will rise and we can sell him for more money after this season.
Nani | Contract & Transfer talk
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It's better than having him sit on the bench and paying his wages. His stock will rise and we can sell him for more money after this season.
because he's still good enough to attract decent clubs. that's why we're stuck with others unless QPR do what they are best at.
I don't get the negativity over this part of the deal really. Some people are acting like we could have just bought him for £16 million on its own but we decided to throw in Nani for a year just for a laugh. From what I've read (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/14/manchester-united-marcos-rojo-legal-row) it sounds like we offered £16 million but Sporting were holding out partly because they wanted something closer to his buyout, £24 million, and partly due to annoyance at their co-owner Doyen.
So to sweeten the deal we throw in Nani for a year loan which effectively adds an extra £4.8 million to the deal with the added bonus for Sporting that there is no way Doyen can benefit from it, which ultimately finally seals a deal apparently in the making for months. Works for both sides in my opinion because in reality its £4.8 million we were going to lose anyway if Nani had yet another season of providing virtually no value for the money he is payed. Which seemed likely given his complete stagnation the past couple of years and his pretty dire pre-season.
Could even turn out to be a fantastic move if he finally rediscovers his form back at his first club where, seemingly, he's somewhat idolised and playing in a league more conducive to players such as himself. We might finally be able to convince a club that he's worth his wages, maybe even a decent transfer fee too, or slightly less likely but he could earn a place in our team again.
So to sweeten the deal we throw in Nani for a year loan which effectively adds an extra £4.8 million to the deal with the added bonus for Sporting that there is no way Doyen can benefit from it, which ultimately finally seals a deal apparently in the making for months. Works for both sides in my opinion because in reality its £4.8 million we were going to lose anyway if Nani had yet another season of providing virtually no value for the money he is payed. Which seemed likely given his complete stagnation the past couple of years and his pretty dire pre-season.
Could even turn out to be a fantastic move if he finally rediscovers his form back at his first club where, seemingly, he's somewhat idolised and playing in a league more conducive to players such as himself. We might finally be able to convince a club that he's worth his wages, maybe even a decent transfer fee too, or slightly less likely but he could earn a place in our team again.
Come on now, anyone would take any of those wage stealers if we offered them the deal we gave sporting for nani.
its a pity that British football appreciates players who seem to be hard-working by running around, rather than someone who has put in hard work to get to the level of skill that someone like Nani has. He could have been our best player but that 2012-13 season from Fergie was very strange, and then there was last year.
Anyways we will see him shine in the Champions League as long as he doesn't get injured
Anyways we will see him shine in the Champions League as long as he doesn't get injured
He has been shit for 2 years. Moyes who is British extended his contract for another 5 years last season. Van Gaal who is Dutch cannot wait to get rid of him.
And you know this how? He's a player who is not going to fit into the formation LVG has openly stated we are going to be using this season and I doubt Nani is going to agree to sitting on the bench the whole season for the third season in a row, he's a player who seems like he loves to play, so going to Sporting in return for making the Rojo deal easier makes total sense. Going by your logic, he must want to keep Anderson considering he's still at the club.
Found a decent'ish article on Nani, or well, rather one which (almost) shares my viewpoint. In the end, simple truth is Nani just wasn't consistent enough to become a regular...but boy was he wonderful to watch when he was in form 
Sad to see him go (mainly because players like Young/Anderson is still at the club), but it's best for all parties.
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog...ation-why-nani-deserves-better-114538946.html
Revising a reputation: Why Nani deserves better
The hero’s welcome given to Nani on his return to Lisbon was in stark contrast to his farewell from Manchester. Most people could barely summon a “meh”; the majority of those who were animated wanted to say good riddance rather than wish him well. Even the club barely bothered to say goodbye. The official Twitter feed settled for a matter-of-fact announcement of his departure. No thanks, no highlights package, no leaving card, nothing. It was all a bit underwhelming for a man who played 229 times for United – more than authentic heroes like Ruud van Nistelrooy and Paul McGrath.
Nani deserves better than that. He was not a great player for Manchester United, and his seven-year career at Old Trafford must ultimately be viewed as a disappointment. Yet there are myriad reasons, many beyond his control. And that overall judgement obscures the fact that, for a couple of years from the start of 2010, he was the equal of any attacking player in the Premier League. When United won their record-breaking 19th title in 2010-11, Nani was their Players’ Player of the Year – even if, tellingly, the fans’ award went elsewhere. He was also in the PFA Team of the Year, and John O’Shea was not alone in being “pretty amazed” that Nani did not make the shortlist for the PFA Player of the Year award.
In that time Nani was close to a guaranteed source of goals and assists. His 24 assists in the the two seasons from 2010-12 were comfortably the most in the Premier League, and he scored 17 goals in that time as well. There were still inconsistencies in his game, as there will always be with a player of his nature, but he had added intimidating efficiency to his game without losing his capacity to take bums off seats in excitement. In short, he had cracked it. Even though he was much more than a highlights player in that time, his YouTubability matches almost anyone in the world in the last few years. He scored some astonishing goals, both big dippers from long range and twinkle-toed solo efforts, as well as deceptively excellent efforts, the kind only a class act can score.
Nani’s diving and perceived lack of physical courage were commented on so frequently that they obscured the fact that he had rare moral courage. In the Champions League final of 2008, for example, he took the crucial fifth penalty. In open play, Nani always wanted the ball – whether he was having a shocker, whether his team were having a shocker. That often led to him look stupid, but he never changed. His rivals in the last few years, Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia, were often guilty of hiding – either not showing for the ball, or getting rid with a square pass. Nani always wanted the ball and always tried to make something happen, no matter how many knocks he took. Many of those knocks came from his manager. Sir Alex Ferguson had a strange relationship with Nani. Even when Nani was at is best, Ferguson didn’t seem to truly trust him: at the back end of that 2010-11 season, Ferguson went with Valencia and Park Ji-sung for the title run-in and the Champions League final. And yet there were times when Ferguson would show almost blind faith. He weirdly picked Nani ahead of the in-form Valencia for the title decider at Manchester City in 2011-12, and recalled him unexpectedly for the Champions League match against Real Madrid a year later.
Nani was sent off in that game and, whether you perceive that red card as harsh or not, there’s no question he would often end up being blamed by Ferguson for important defeats. Ferguson even broke one of his golden rules – never criticise your players in public – after the League Cup defeat to Chelsea in 2012. Ferguson has a degree in people, but he never quite worked out how to manage a deceptively complex character. Nani was a hard habit to break, because he knew how good he could be. "He is one of the best match winners in the game - and I am including the whole of Europe,” said Ferguson in his last season at Old Trafford. “ He has scored the most incredible goals. The boy has a talent for winning matches."
It is hard to escape the sense that Nani needed more such comments, and that undermining him in public – after a League Cup match, for heaven’s sake - and in the dressing-room ultimately backfired. Nani is not Cristiano Ronaldo; he is not fuelled by bronca. He’s just an ordinary, insecure human being and an extraordinary footballer who needs the carrot rather than the stick. There has always been something of the confused, innocent child about Nani – the way he always wants the ball, his immature reaction in certain situations, most notably when he headbutted Lucas Neill and then fell over pathetically. Even his seal dribbling against Arsenal was more the act of a kid getting carried away than someone trying to humiliate an opponent. That essential immaturity made it hard to understand the extent of the dislike towards Nani. Many United fans can’t stand him. Modern footballers are not the stand-up guys they used to be, in either sense. If you only like those whose character you recognise or think you recognise, you won’t have much to support. At least Nani is ingenuous, unlike most of his peers. He is not calculated or a bad human being, just a bit of a kid who hasn’t quite grown up.
Sad to see him go (mainly because players like Young/Anderson is still at the club), but it's best for all parties.
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog...ation-why-nani-deserves-better-114538946.html
Revising a reputation: Why Nani deserves better
The hero’s welcome given to Nani on his return to Lisbon was in stark contrast to his farewell from Manchester. Most people could barely summon a “meh”; the majority of those who were animated wanted to say good riddance rather than wish him well. Even the club barely bothered to say goodbye. The official Twitter feed settled for a matter-of-fact announcement of his departure. No thanks, no highlights package, no leaving card, nothing. It was all a bit underwhelming for a man who played 229 times for United – more than authentic heroes like Ruud van Nistelrooy and Paul McGrath.
Nani deserves better than that. He was not a great player for Manchester United, and his seven-year career at Old Trafford must ultimately be viewed as a disappointment. Yet there are myriad reasons, many beyond his control. And that overall judgement obscures the fact that, for a couple of years from the start of 2010, he was the equal of any attacking player in the Premier League. When United won their record-breaking 19th title in 2010-11, Nani was their Players’ Player of the Year – even if, tellingly, the fans’ award went elsewhere. He was also in the PFA Team of the Year, and John O’Shea was not alone in being “pretty amazed” that Nani did not make the shortlist for the PFA Player of the Year award.
In that time Nani was close to a guaranteed source of goals and assists. His 24 assists in the the two seasons from 2010-12 were comfortably the most in the Premier League, and he scored 17 goals in that time as well. There were still inconsistencies in his game, as there will always be with a player of his nature, but he had added intimidating efficiency to his game without losing his capacity to take bums off seats in excitement. In short, he had cracked it. Even though he was much more than a highlights player in that time, his YouTubability matches almost anyone in the world in the last few years. He scored some astonishing goals, both big dippers from long range and twinkle-toed solo efforts, as well as deceptively excellent efforts, the kind only a class act can score.
Nani’s diving and perceived lack of physical courage were commented on so frequently that they obscured the fact that he had rare moral courage. In the Champions League final of 2008, for example, he took the crucial fifth penalty. In open play, Nani always wanted the ball – whether he was having a shocker, whether his team were having a shocker. That often led to him look stupid, but he never changed. His rivals in the last few years, Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia, were often guilty of hiding – either not showing for the ball, or getting rid with a square pass. Nani always wanted the ball and always tried to make something happen, no matter how many knocks he took. Many of those knocks came from his manager. Sir Alex Ferguson had a strange relationship with Nani. Even when Nani was at is best, Ferguson didn’t seem to truly trust him: at the back end of that 2010-11 season, Ferguson went with Valencia and Park Ji-sung for the title run-in and the Champions League final. And yet there were times when Ferguson would show almost blind faith. He weirdly picked Nani ahead of the in-form Valencia for the title decider at Manchester City in 2011-12, and recalled him unexpectedly for the Champions League match against Real Madrid a year later.
Nani was sent off in that game and, whether you perceive that red card as harsh or not, there’s no question he would often end up being blamed by Ferguson for important defeats. Ferguson even broke one of his golden rules – never criticise your players in public – after the League Cup defeat to Chelsea in 2012. Ferguson has a degree in people, but he never quite worked out how to manage a deceptively complex character. Nani was a hard habit to break, because he knew how good he could be. "He is one of the best match winners in the game - and I am including the whole of Europe,” said Ferguson in his last season at Old Trafford. “ He has scored the most incredible goals. The boy has a talent for winning matches."
It is hard to escape the sense that Nani needed more such comments, and that undermining him in public – after a League Cup match, for heaven’s sake - and in the dressing-room ultimately backfired. Nani is not Cristiano Ronaldo; he is not fuelled by bronca. He’s just an ordinary, insecure human being and an extraordinary footballer who needs the carrot rather than the stick. There has always been something of the confused, innocent child about Nani – the way he always wants the ball, his immature reaction in certain situations, most notably when he headbutted Lucas Neill and then fell over pathetically. Even his seal dribbling against Arsenal was more the act of a kid getting carried away than someone trying to humiliate an opponent. That essential immaturity made it hard to understand the extent of the dislike towards Nani. Many United fans can’t stand him. Modern footballers are not the stand-up guys they used to be, in either sense. If you only like those whose character you recognise or think you recognise, you won’t have much to support. At least Nani is ingenuous, unlike most of his peers. He is not calculated or a bad human being, just a bit of a kid who hasn’t quite grown up.
Part 2
Most of the things Nani has done wrong – diving, wastefulness in possession, even having a statue of himself in his house – are tolerated in isolation, yet something about the way Nani does them seems to rub people up the wrong way. It doesn’t help that his diving is frequently utterly inept and seen as more embarrassing than that of more accomplished simulators.
The crying at Anfield, used in evidence against him by the Rambos of the press box, was overplayed. There will be many genuinely tough men who have shed a few seconds’ tears without realising after, say, having a dentist’s needle plunged into them, a physical reaction to extreme physical pain. It is likely Nani’s was a similar response, combined with a bit of shock, after his leg was cut to the bone by a despicable challenge from Jamie Carragher. Whatever the reason for the tears, there is something dubious about singling out the man who cried rather than the one who threatened an opponent’s career. It was reminiscent of Cristiano Ronaldo being castigated for winking while Wayne Rooney avoided significant opprobrium for driving his studs into a man’s testicles. Nani, more than almost anyone else in the Premier League in recent times, represented the residual mistrust of the foreigner. He dived, he was unreliable, he cried.
And yet all this would not have mattered to United fans had he continued or even extended his form of 2010-12. There were a number of reasons why he didn’t. A series of irritating injuries restricted him to 14 league starts in the last two seasons; when he did play he had clearly regressed, and he progressively lost Ferguson’s trust. He was also a victim of Ferguson’s increasing belief in prosaic wingers like Young, Park, an ageing Giggs, Danny Welbeck and Valencia – all football equivalents of picking a bowler because he bats a bit. When Nani played, particularly in big games like the City title decider or Madrid, he was one of only two serious attacking talents. An unfair burden, and yet it was Nani who was often blamed rather than the man whose tactical cowardice in big games caused the problem in the first place.
Nani’s career is usually discussed in the context of Cristiano Ronaldo. And while that simplistic comparison put far too much pressure on him, the biggest obstacle in his United career was Antonio Valencia. Nani often had to play on the left because of Valencia’s embarrasing one-footedness. Nani played well on the left at times, and scored some storming goals when he cut infield, but he was more consistent and more creative on the right, from where he hit some beautiful crosses. There were times when Valencia was unplayably good, most notably in the second half of the 2011-12 season, yet there were other periods when it felt like he was given preferential treatment. The one time Nani got a run in his best position, when Valencia broke his ankle in September 2010, he had the best season of his career. Next stop, rocket science.
Nani is far from blameless in all this. He could be stunningly infuriating, and he made the little girl with the little curl seem like the personification of equilibrium. But to say it is entirely his fault is to ignore the complexities of confidence, the fragility of modern man, and how everything in life is so interlinked that apparently minor decisions – criticising a player after a League Cup match, say, or signing a right-winger with no left foot – can have unforeseen consequences which ultimately have a huge impact on a man’s career, and a man’s life. Nani has regressed to the point where he is, to use Ferguson’s description of the player he signed, “pure raw material”. He was 20 then, he is 27 now. It might be too late for Nani to accomplish everything we thought he could, but he deserves a bit more respect, and a bit more affection, for what he has achieved.
Rob Smyth
Most of the things Nani has done wrong – diving, wastefulness in possession, even having a statue of himself in his house – are tolerated in isolation, yet something about the way Nani does them seems to rub people up the wrong way. It doesn’t help that his diving is frequently utterly inept and seen as more embarrassing than that of more accomplished simulators.
The crying at Anfield, used in evidence against him by the Rambos of the press box, was overplayed. There will be many genuinely tough men who have shed a few seconds’ tears without realising after, say, having a dentist’s needle plunged into them, a physical reaction to extreme physical pain. It is likely Nani’s was a similar response, combined with a bit of shock, after his leg was cut to the bone by a despicable challenge from Jamie Carragher. Whatever the reason for the tears, there is something dubious about singling out the man who cried rather than the one who threatened an opponent’s career. It was reminiscent of Cristiano Ronaldo being castigated for winking while Wayne Rooney avoided significant opprobrium for driving his studs into a man’s testicles. Nani, more than almost anyone else in the Premier League in recent times, represented the residual mistrust of the foreigner. He dived, he was unreliable, he cried.
And yet all this would not have mattered to United fans had he continued or even extended his form of 2010-12. There were a number of reasons why he didn’t. A series of irritating injuries restricted him to 14 league starts in the last two seasons; when he did play he had clearly regressed, and he progressively lost Ferguson’s trust. He was also a victim of Ferguson’s increasing belief in prosaic wingers like Young, Park, an ageing Giggs, Danny Welbeck and Valencia – all football equivalents of picking a bowler because he bats a bit. When Nani played, particularly in big games like the City title decider or Madrid, he was one of only two serious attacking talents. An unfair burden, and yet it was Nani who was often blamed rather than the man whose tactical cowardice in big games caused the problem in the first place.
Nani’s career is usually discussed in the context of Cristiano Ronaldo. And while that simplistic comparison put far too much pressure on him, the biggest obstacle in his United career was Antonio Valencia. Nani often had to play on the left because of Valencia’s embarrasing one-footedness. Nani played well on the left at times, and scored some storming goals when he cut infield, but he was more consistent and more creative on the right, from where he hit some beautiful crosses. There were times when Valencia was unplayably good, most notably in the second half of the 2011-12 season, yet there were other periods when it felt like he was given preferential treatment. The one time Nani got a run in his best position, when Valencia broke his ankle in September 2010, he had the best season of his career. Next stop, rocket science.
Nani is far from blameless in all this. He could be stunningly infuriating, and he made the little girl with the little curl seem like the personification of equilibrium. But to say it is entirely his fault is to ignore the complexities of confidence, the fragility of modern man, and how everything in life is so interlinked that apparently minor decisions – criticising a player after a League Cup match, say, or signing a right-winger with no left foot – can have unforeseen consequences which ultimately have a huge impact on a man’s career, and a man’s life. Nani has regressed to the point where he is, to use Ferguson’s description of the player he signed, “pure raw material”. He was 20 then, he is 27 now. It might be too late for Nani to accomplish everything we thought he could, but he deserves a bit more respect, and a bit more affection, for what he has achieved.
Rob Smyth
Was this the clown that copy/paste my opinion of Rojo into the eurosport page? Nani has denied this multiple times. He doesn´t have a statue of himself at his home. Al Fayed took it to the Fulham stadium. More seriously, the statue story is false.
not actually sure if it was Rob Smyth That's an excellent article and one of the reasons I never criticized Anderson or Nani as much as I'd get mad at Cleverley, Young etc. Even when they were having bad games they always showed for the ball and moved with it instead of offloading responsibilities elsewhere.
Spot on.
I thought i saw a photo of it once ... are you sure its a myth?
Might have just imagined it i guess.
Agree with the article but i've always loved him and think he'll do well
If paying a man to play for somebody else isn't an indication you're not wanted then I'm not sure what is.
Yeah he denied it on a crappy portuguese tv show where they visited the houses of portuguese footballers abroad.
You're only as strong as your weakest link after and neither of them are good enough to be squad or rotational players. I'd dread the thoughts of having to depend on either them for a month or two in an injury crises.
I think the real story, iirc, is that he has a mannequin on which he displays his jersey and medals.
Edit: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/players-trophy-cabinets-trophy-rooms.364334/#post-12754851
Edit: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/players-trophy-cabinets-trophy-rooms.364334/#post-12754851
You don't remember the doc very well then. Nani got upset at the suggestion of him having a statue of himself, it's simply a mannequin like from a store front with a Nani shirt and some medals. He's much more humble than some give him credit for although I did hear him once call a skill the "super Nani"
Just run hard with pace & power and you would be appreciated in the Premier League. As long as you pretend to be busy, you are quality. It's the culture - Xavi talked about this in his many interviews. The sight of Gerrard or Rooney towards their own goal to intercept a dangerous cross gets more cheers from the fans than scoring a goal.
This is the reason why players like Micah Richards, Phil Jones, Grant Holt, Andy Caroll, etc all have a career in England. Which football club in Spain would pay a dime for the above players with their prehistoric technique & skills.
This is why England will never win a World Cup again. They still see football as Rugby.
Yeah the press were pretty merciless towards him.
Very slow to give credit and very quick to criticise.
They really didn't pull punches with him.
I always liked him,
He seemed like a confidence player to me, the more you played him the better he played.
Or maybe it was just match sharpness.
Obviously injuries aren't helpful with a player like that.
Whatever about his need to go now (he does need to go),
hes done some brilliant things at this club, scored some incredibly important goals.
Won us important cups.
Everybody talks about the european cup and the 'slip', which has frankly always pissed me off.
We didn't win because john terry slipped, we won because nani scored (and it was a good penalty).
He delivered for us and was a large part of one our most succesful squads ever.
Very slow to give credit and very quick to criticise.
They really didn't pull punches with him.
I always liked him,
He seemed like a confidence player to me, the more you played him the better he played.
Or maybe it was just match sharpness.
Obviously injuries aren't helpful with a player like that.
Whatever about his need to go now (he does need to go),
hes done some brilliant things at this club, scored some incredibly important goals.
Won us important cups.
Everybody talks about the european cup and the 'slip', which has frankly always pissed me off.
We didn't win because john terry slipped, we won because nani scored (and it was a good penalty).
He delivered for us and was a large part of one our most succesful squads ever.
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Prone to making decisions that belied all logic even on his best days you do get the feeling that his talents were never really appreciated at the club through his years here neither by the fans or by the clubs manager. Sir Alex, in his best season to date left him out of our most important games of the season for Park and Valencia. Perhaps it was a trust thing, not knowing what he might do next that led to him, despite his output to not receive the recognition that im sure even he craved.
His quality that I did like of his more than others was his ability to get out of tight situations regardless of the amount of pressure. Figoesque if you like in that regard which is a rare quality for a winger. On the weekend when he came on you could see just how much our captain believes in this ability of his as he kept insisting on giving him the ball regardless of how many opposition players were around him, didn't lose it once if i recall correctly. The solution t our ever waning attack was pretty basic in my opinion. sign di maria, play him and nani on opposite flanks with RVP or Rooney up top with either Januzaj, Mata or Kagawa behind them and work from there, sadly that option is now gone with one of the most ridiculous loans I've ever seen.
His quality that I did like of his more than others was his ability to get out of tight situations regardless of the amount of pressure. Figoesque if you like in that regard which is a rare quality for a winger. On the weekend when he came on you could see just how much our captain believes in this ability of his as he kept insisting on giving him the ball regardless of how many opposition players were around him, didn't lose it once if i recall correctly. The solution t our ever waning attack was pretty basic in my opinion. sign di maria, play him and nani on opposite flanks with RVP or Rooney up top with either Januzaj, Mata or Kagawa behind them and work from there, sadly that option is now gone with one of the most ridiculous loans I've ever seen.
Unfair in allot of ways. Hazard is appreciated in every corner and has been the case every since he touched down in England, even Jay Jay Okocha received plenty of adulation when he was still at Bolton. Problem is Nani had a frustrating edge to him that not all genius' have and thus was never really liked. Watching someone elect to shoot when the should pass isn't the sort of stuff fans like to see and that was one of Nani's specialties.
In Portugal for the month and Sporting seem very happy to have him back and he replied likewise. He should be playing the weekend too against Arouca.
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I hope he does well over there and gets his career back on track. He is a good player, he just hasn't been able to stay fit for us and as a result never managed to maintain the level expected of him. Worrying thing is it was basically only him and Adnan who could beat a man, so it would be nice if we brought in someone that can do this, so we at least have the options if we are struggling to break teams down.
Indeed. One thing Nani had and still has is a set of nackers big enough to try and try again. There's too many players in our squad right now happy to pass the buck, sadly.
So, it seems Nani took a wage cut to move to Sporting of some sort.
Confirmed that he will play this weekend against Arouca. They just announced it.
Nani needed to go home, to build his confidence back up.
I expect Nani to have a great season and a lot of clubs will probably be after him. I still think he could be a top 5 player in the world.
Wondering what his injury record will be. It's a good test to be fair. Player that was constantly injured here, if he goes to Portugal and has an injury-free season, then we should start boycotting our medical staff or whoever the feck is stabbing our players so they're constantly injured.
is he wearing 7? 17?
3 IMO, just behind Messi and Cristiano.
And with Cristiano having injuries lately and Messi other problems (taxes, being small) we could see Nani topping both of them, shame Rooney doesn't see it and won't give him chance to prove his true worth in United shirt but at the same time he didn't hesitate for a sec giving himself captain armband, arrogant prick!
Maybe he could have signed elsewhere for higher wages like the middle east, but kept his current wage that we're paying?
No... you're reaching...
Starting for Sporting tonight against Arouca, kick off in a few minutes.
Strange number 77!!
Nani playing on the middle
Nani got his first yellow
Does someone else in the squad have the 7? How is he playing though and are the fans loving him yet?
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