I think he'll come good and be a fantastic player for them rather sooner than later. Difficult first season and some initial hype was indeed over the top, but he's still a class player I would love to have in our team. When Keita gets on his level, watch him run riot in the midfield.
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I disagree, bar the weird fapfest over him against Palace away, he he's really done nothing more than Fred. He's just been playing in a better team. I'm not sure what he did that was decent in the second half, he didn't offer much going forward and was anonymous defensively - maybe I wasn't watching as intently as I thought, though.
I didn't. I repeatedly said that he's a basics player, a dribbler and tackler with a bit of line breaking passes. Many also said that he'd need a season to adapt to the league because he only played against top opposition in the CL.
Keita needing time to adapt to the league is based on nothing. The Bundesliga translates very well to the Premiere league as it plays at a high tempo and is physical. Players from La Liga and Seria A need time to adapt because they play much slower and put more emphasis on positioning.
I remember how signing Fred will make Matic look like a mid 20s player and all that. Obviously you were bigging up the player, it's not wrong though. As a fans we all are hyped signing new players.
Regarding adapting, that's just your theory. There is no fixed rule.
Andy Cole was signed from same league and he took 1 or 2 seasons before playing his best football for the club.
Salah played in Serie A (barely played in PL) and didn't take any time to adapt to PL.
Firminho took few months or a year to adapt and started to play so well and he was from Bundesliga.
Lindelof took a year to adapt whereas players like Matic just hit the ground running and both were from Benfica.
Like I said, there is no rule. Each player is different.
They are both not as bad as people make it to be. England football needs the storyline of a player failing so everyone can point at him and laugh. They are like both 5.5/10 performers, not like they are playing like complete jokes. United's best player plays in Fred's same position, its always going to be a problem.
I was not bigging up Fred, unless pointing out his qualities is bigging him up. He's shown these exact qualities I've mentioned for us, but he constantly loses the ball by dawdling which is a tell tale sign he is not in tune with the pace of the league.
That is also not a theory, it's from the words of players and managers. Adapting to the league =/= playing well. There are many factors for a player playing well including getting familiar with the team and also changes in tactics/personel. The Andy Cole example boggles the mind since he came from he same league, he didn't need to adapt to it, so obviously there were other factors that stopped him performing.
Well search feature helps in these cases.
So why did Cole become good player after not playing well for 1 or 2 seasons? Why did Firmino started playing well when he wasn't as good when he came to the league? Why did other players take time to adapt when Salah didn't? Obviously it's just your theory. Like I said, each player is different and takes different time to adapt, few don't adapt at all.
Btw which manager or player said that? Can you post that.
Just a shit Djemba Djemba.
No he wasn't. The story going around was that we only got him because City wanted him, and most people hadn't even heard of Fred until 6 months before we signed him. He played in the Ukranian league for god's sake, how was he going to get any hype behind him?
Do you guys realize that Fred has been playing in Europe (CL and EL) since 2013-2014?
Yeah, flop wasn't right word. I don't think it's controversial to say he's been a worse signing, though.
I already said why in the post you quoted...because adapting to a league is not the only factor in a player playing well. The Andy Cole example you brought up is obvious proof of that (because he was already adapted to the league having played there already, but still struggled) but you seemed to have twisted it to support what you said. Not once did I say that Keita doesn't need time to find his feet, I did however say that him coming from the Bundesliga is not a legit excuse.
Pep Guardiola said that the Bundesliga is an intense league, but the major difference is that the fixture schedule is congested in the PL (Keita has played barely any minutes, somewhere around 1000, nowhere near enough to say that he is fatigued).
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/manc...ague-not-more-intense-than-la-liga-bundesliga
The difference between La Liga and the PL is the competitiveness, both Mourinho and Guardiola have said that the PL is harder to win for managers.
Seria A teams have a higher tactical requirement than the PL:
https://www.goal.com/en/news/10/ita...nho-serie-a-more-tactical-than-premier-league
I don't think I've ever heard a player from Germany say that the PL was too much for them to adapt to. Bundesliga has a good physical level with the main difference being money/player quality.
In the Pep article, it says Pep said PL is not more intense than la Liga and Bundesliga. Then why did La Liga (few) players took time to adapt whereas few just hit the ground running? You are ignoring the obvious examples and again going in circles. There are many players who took time, again not saying Keita will adapt, for all we know he might end up as one season wonder but saying players from Bundesliga shouldn't take time to adapt is just ridiculous.
Players irrespective of league takes time to adapt, that's how it is. David Silva from la Liga took time to reach his level whereas Mata was a hit from day 1. Both are from La Liga and according to pep, there is no difference in intensity between la Liga and PL. So why did one player take time to adapt?
Btw nice that you cut some points from Pep interview
So Pep himself said Intensity is same in all leagues, so going by your logic no player from any league should take time to adapt.
Re Jose words,
When he was in Serie A
Just one more Jose bs, he says which ever league he manages is the toughest.
Edit: Sane had superb second season when his first season was not as good. Son was very average in his first season and then was very good in the next seasons and now he is superb player.
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Well they did ask grobbelaar.
Not once did I say that players don't need time to adapt. I did however contest the reasons why. Not once did I say that bundesliga players don't need to adapt, I did however say that the adaptations are not league specific.
Keita needs to adapt to new team mates, new opponents, new tactics. These adaptations come with any player going to a new team in a new league. They are not specific to him or the bundesliga. He is not a special case of turning into a worldie after one season, which is what some in here have been going with.
That was your first post, that Bundesliga translates well and then went on to argue on that point.
Re first bold part, then what exactly you mean when you said Bundesliga translates well to PL whereas La Liga and Serie A players needs time to adapt? It's sort of obvious what the point is.
Re second bold part, why? There are many players who had average to poor first seasons before turning out to be good signing. Why isn't that applicable to Keita here? Son, Firmino, Sane (he was good first season but was on another level next season) all had so much better second season than first season, in fact Son was poor in his first season.
Then we have players from other leagues like Silva who wasn't as good in his first season whereas Mata was just one of the best players in the league from his first season. Lindelof took year to adapt, Matic was great from the word go.
Point is very simple, every player is different. Saying players from x league shouldn't take time to adapt is all based on nothing.
Klopp doesn't rate him at all looks like.
Exclusive: Klopp has eyes.
The scouse Pogba and James fecking Milner came on ahead of him while chasing a winner
Whose been a worse between him and Fred this season?
Don't really watch Pool games
Don't really watch Pool games
Well Keita did that nice spin a few weeks into the season. That's 1 second highlight longer than Freds.
I think he's suffering beacuse Klopp has turned into Mourinho.
Fred scored a goal against Wolves.
He was great at Leipzig. Proper box to box midfielder who chipped in with decent amount of goals.
Really surprised he hasn't adapted to Liverpool. Is he struggling off the pitch or just can't adapt to the Klopp pressing style? From what I saw of him in Germany he's a better player than Wjinaldum.
Really surprised he hasn't adapted to Liverpool. Is he struggling off the pitch or just can't adapt to the Klopp pressing style? From what I saw of him in Germany he's a better player than Wjinaldum.
"You need stability but it was a difficult game. I did not want to throw Naby Keita in to deal with these difficult circumstances."
feck stability if it means Milner and Lallana coming on and doing feck all.
That's damning.
Its quite clear he's feeling the heat and going more and more conservative into games.
That’s not on Keita. That’s on Klopp bring scared. He didn’t bring Shaqiri on either.
One of the most expensive midfielders of all time. Bought as an all action complete 8 for Klopps 4-3-3 but he's been a total bust so far. He was so bad last night in the mickey mouse cup, how did he sink so low?
Injuries mostly
But also i really don't think he's a good fit for liverpool as they are now. Too undisciplined tactically, takes far too many risks for the role he has to play within that team
Klopp found a formula that works, with a disciplined, very tactical midfield that while lacking creativity still that gives them what they need. And like all managers, now that he's found the right formula he's uneasy about changing things up
But also i really don't think he's a good fit for liverpool as they are now. Too undisciplined tactically, takes far too many risks for the role he has to play within that team
Klopp found a formula that works, with a disciplined, very tactical midfield that while lacking creativity still that gives them what they need. And like all managers, now that he's found the right formula he's uneasy about changing things up
Agree.
With 5 attacking players already in the team, he can't risk having another. Having said that, still think Keita will come good. Too much ability not too.
5 attackers being the front 3 plus the 2 fullbacks, I assume?
He looked like he was cementing his place in the first team at the end of last season until he got injured in the first leg of the semis against Barcelona.
Still makes me angry that Guinea took him to AFCON and recurred the injury when he clearly wasn't fit to play. Especially as they were being such dickheads about it.
Still makes me angry that Guinea took him to AFCON and recurred the injury when he clearly wasn't fit to play. Especially as they were being such dickheads about it.
I dunno about that. So long as Liverpool are this good playing with Wijnaldum, Henderson and Milner, i don't see how Keita displaces any of them, unless he changes significantly as a player
Unfortunately for him the liverpool that signed him in 2017 and the liverpool of right now are different sides with different strengths and different needs
Still stand by this post from back when Liverpool announced the pre-contract signing. Keita obviously felt his 2016/17 Leipzig form was his peak and he signed the pre-contract knowing he hadn’t much improvement left in him. Huge lack of ambition in a player when they sign pre-contracts with clubs twelve months in advance when they’re supposedly on an upwards trajectory and attracting interest from many top clubs. You wouldn’t see De Ligt, De Jong etc. do it when half of Europe wanted them. They waited patiently and had the pick of the best clubs in Europe when the chance presented itself. None of this pre-contract nonsense on the back of a good couple of months of form.
He's looked absolute garbage. Fred has offered more at United and he's not set the world alight.
One of the most expensive midfielders in the world and a huge flop. Would Liverpool get half of what they paid to move him on now?
One of the most expensive midfielders in the world and a huge flop. Would Liverpool get half of what they paid to move him on now?
Not the player he looked in Germany that's for sure.
I think the expectation is what's holding him back. Great when he was largely unnoticed in Leipzig but now playing for one of the world's top clubs in a very physical environment,he's feeling it
Nah. Keita has actually had good games for a few bit.
He's done absolutely nothing of note let's be honest. Both were signed at the same time, Keita for more money, and their stats are basically identical.
Fred is currently in the first team though and being used whilst Keita is an expensive bench warmer.
I am sure keita could also manage to be a first team regular for mid table teams.