All of them would leave their club to be Manchester United manager because we've a real potential to win trophies. It doesn't mean he's hungrier then any of them. However they're not being considered
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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All of them would leave their club to be Manchester United manager because we've a real potential to win trophies. It doesn't mean he's hungrier then any of them. However they're not being considered
Of course you can. I'm not your dad.
What I take issue with is people (and I think you are one of the guilty party) who refused to acknowledge or discuss certain aspects of our play last year are now suddenly so vocal before a ball is even kicked. The other issue is the strange childish name calling. "Curly haired wanker" and "rice pudding" are two of the more hilarious names I've seen attributed to Sir Moyes since yesterday. It's just a bit rich in my opinion.
Right. So in that original post I quoted, you are saying you like Moyes because he has a quality that you concede every manager at this level has? Probably in similar measures, though there is no way in knowing who is actually hungriest? For all we know, Moyes is the least hungry for trophies in the league. Or he could be the most. He might wake up in the middle of the night, ravenous for trophies. But he probably doesnt. If he did, he probably would have left Everton to satisfy this insatiable hunger of his. Actually, the evidence points to him being rather hungrier for the long term payoff than for the instant gratification of trophies.
Sorry if I am coming across as being pedantic, I dont mean to tear your post apart of criticise your sentiments. Just feels like there are a lot of platitudes flying about at the moment, about desire to win, born winners, hunger for trophies, the right attitude for the club.... most of them seem pretty meaningless under closer inspection, to me at least.
I'm actually starting to like this appointment (if it happens). No idea why, but I think he could do an excellent job. The fundamentals are quite clearly there, the team is young and has huge potential, we have an awful lot of money at our disposal as the debt vanishes slowly, the facilties are extraordinary, the great old man will still be there to give his advice...
One thing is fecking sure, we will be extremely tough to beat and our defensive organisation will be excellent. We are Manchester United, bring the next season on I'd say
One thing is fecking sure, we will be extremely tough to beat and our defensive organisation will be excellent. We are Manchester United, bring the next season on I'd say
Not everyone less than enthused about the prospect of Moyes managing United have been simply crying or whinging or being muppets. People have legitimate concerns, and have a right to voice them without being told they're glory hunting, hipster cnuts who should feck off and support someone else.
I saw Souness talking about him and using that phrase "He's a football person" as something to advocate him. I find that phrase really annoying. Is Mourinho not a football person? Is Klopp not? Is anyone who is dedicated to football not a "football person"? I don't mind Moyes as much as some, but some of the ways people are advocating his potential appointment are very, very weak.
Name calling aside, our performances in games last year and the potential appointment of David Moyes are two entirely different things though.
It's be like defending everything Apple ever produce, but then later criticising who they appoint as their new CEO.
I'm often one of the most positive people on here, but i'm finding it extremely difficult to feel positive about what happened to our club yesterday. I've called him no names either, though I did call Fellaini a curly haired feck, but I think that's a fair statement.
I have fully accepted that time after time. But some people are looking like fecking disgraces here and I'd hope tat as soon as the announcement is made official some moderation is brought to bear.
Nah, Mourinho is a "People person"
My concerns are mainly, as AJKernow said earlier, that he is allowed to do his job by fans, and not undermined because he is unglamorous or lacking in experience in Europe, and that he is successful in the transfer market. Because he will be looking at a different type of player, with a different budget, and different expectations, to what he is used to. I hope he doesnt turn out to be like Wenger and find shopping at the more expensive end of the market terribly intimidating. (And also, as I think Cina said yesterday, that his appointment is not evidence the Glazers want him to carry on shopping as though he was still at Everton, to save them money.)
I'm excited, bring him on! I look forward to seeing him get a full preseason and getting the best out of all the boys.
Can people not atleast give him 10 games before they start coming to any conclusions.
Can people not atleast give him 10 games before they start coming to any conclusions.
That video still has me chuckling. G'wan Dave! Leg it!
Is Moyes running into Fergie's Transfer Kidnap limo? Bold - bold and somehow brilliant.
I'm sorry, but
Well if he comes in, he comes in. No amount of internet posts would change that. And the club won't care either, as long as Moyes can 'do the job', which is probably different in definition than what some fans want. Arsenal as an extreme example. Even matchgoers fans don't have any power to change anything. Just look at the 'green and gold' movement.
So hopefully the mods won't be so hard on posters showing a bit of frustration here.
I haven't particularly noticed anyone stepping out of line and being disgraces, but perhaps i've just missed those posts.
I've stated my concerns, but I don't think I've been personal in any way. If he comes in here, and it looks like he will, i'll support him, but i'm not going to pretend i'm delighted about an appointment i've stated I wouldn't be happy with long before Fergie retired.
You are pedantic. It's a characteristic. It's even stating the bloody obvious. No manager doesn't want to win. Some people need to take a step back and deal with it. Debating over such things is a waste of life left alone time.
Im glad we agree you were stating the obvious.
I'm sorry, but
Well if he comes in, he comes in. No amount of internet posts would change that. And the club won't care either, as long as Moyes can 'do the job', which is probably different in definition than what some fans want. Arsenal is an extreme example. Even matchgoers fans don't have any power to change anything. Just look at the 'green and gold' movement.
So hopefully the mods won't be so hard on posters showing a bit of frustration here.
I'm torn too. I don't think the Glazers will settle with 'doing a job' similar to Arsenal, i.e. finishing in the Chanpions League places every season. It's not good enough for the business side of things... and we're not Arsenal, we're better than that.
Posted this in the excitement thread but maybe this one is more apt.
I have to commend some of you for attempting to get excited about Moyes likely appointment, or at least trying to stem some of the doom and gloom surrounding it. I'm struggling with the idea of it personally and have previously vehemently refuted it anytime the idea has even floated as an option before. I was really strongly against it and now that it's looking nailed on it's not easy to just do a complete 180 on the way I felt before.
Apart from stability I don't see any benefit of us hiring David Moyes at all. He doesn't strike me as someone who has a winning mentality like all the best managers do. It oozes out of them and I'm not convinced its a learned behaviour either. Moyes would be totally uninspiring imo.
SAF leaving is a big enough blow, especially for those of us who know nothing else apart from Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United, but appointing Moyes over someone with a track record of being able to challenge and win things (Klopp, Mourinho etc..) just makes the whole thing more of a concern imo. I think a club like Shalke should be Moyes next logical step. See how he does at a team the next step up from Everton and then he can throw his hat in the ring for a job at arguably the biggest club in the world once he shows he has what it takes to be a winner. SAF was a winner before he came here, why are we deviating from those standards when we're currently more successful now than we were then.
Everton fans don't even see the idea of Moyes leaving as a bad thing. They're excited about Laudrupp after a lot of them aired their grievances over the negative football Everton were playing at times earlier in the season. Some are even hoping it gets sorted quickly before any discontent from United fans scuppers the deal.
I'll get behind him completely though, and I'm sure the vast majority of our fans will. I'll hope that he proves me completely wrong but I can't feel anything but pessimistic at his impending appointment. It's the safe, sensible, steadying the ship option but not ambitious enough for us I feel.
Is it a case of stability > success? Shouldn't we at least be looking for someone with a decent mixture of those qualities?
I have to commend some of you for attempting to get excited about Moyes likely appointment, or at least trying to stem some of the doom and gloom surrounding it. I'm struggling with the idea of it personally and have previously vehemently refuted it anytime the idea has even floated as an option before. I was really strongly against it and now that it's looking nailed on it's not easy to just do a complete 180 on the way I felt before.
Apart from stability I don't see any benefit of us hiring David Moyes at all. He doesn't strike me as someone who has a winning mentality like all the best managers do. It oozes out of them and I'm not convinced its a learned behaviour either. Moyes would be totally uninspiring imo.
SAF leaving is a big enough blow, especially for those of us who know nothing else apart from Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United, but appointing Moyes over someone with a track record of being able to challenge and win things (Klopp, Mourinho etc..) just makes the whole thing more of a concern imo. I think a club like Shalke should be Moyes next logical step. See how he does at a team the next step up from Everton and then he can throw his hat in the ring for a job at arguably the biggest club in the world once he shows he has what it takes to be a winner. SAF was a winner before he came here, why are we deviating from those standards when we're currently more successful now than we were then.
Everton fans don't even see the idea of Moyes leaving as a bad thing. They're excited about Laudrupp after a lot of them aired their grievances over the negative football Everton were playing at times earlier in the season. Some are even hoping it gets sorted quickly before any discontent from United fans scuppers the deal.
I'll get behind him completely though, and I'm sure the vast majority of our fans will. I'll hope that he proves me completely wrong but I can't feel anything but pessimistic at his impending appointment. It's the safe, sensible, steadying the ship option but not ambitious enough for us I feel.
Is it a case of stability > success? Shouldn't we at least be looking for someone with a decent mixture of those qualities?
No, but it's extremely presumptuous and doesn't line up with other clubs that have successfully done the same thing that has worked.
Let Moyes do his thing and we shall see after Christmas 2013 how he is doing. Fergie isn't an idiot and I'm sure he had a part to play in this.
I'm not sure how useful Everton fans opinions are right now. They've had the same boss for 11 years, and yeah some of them probably think the grass is greener, but im sure they'll only really appreciate what he's done for them a year or two after he's gone.
People on here having been questioning fergie at times saying that he's lost it, you can only get an accurate view after a few years.
To bring stability is one thing but to bring long term stability and progression is entirely another. I would not be surprised to see Everton slip back to midtable obscurity over the next year or two with Moyes gone. Do not understate what he has achieved there nor subscribe yourself to the short term thinking of a few who think 'bad football' is being played. More likely than not the bad football had to be played at the time because of injuries or the form of certain players, if your striker cant score then ofcourse you'll have to utilise a different tactic. That is undoubtedly a strength not a weakness, like most here would have you believe.
People on here having been questioning fergie at times saying that he's lost it, you can only get an accurate view after a few years.
To bring stability is one thing but to bring long term stability and progression is entirely another. I would not be surprised to see Everton slip back to midtable obscurity over the next year or two with Moyes gone. Do not understate what he has achieved there nor subscribe yourself to the short term thinking of a few who think 'bad football' is being played. More likely than not the bad football had to be played at the time because of injuries or the form of certain players, if your striker cant score then ofcourse you'll have to utilise a different tactic. That is undoubtedly a strength not a weakness, like most here would have you believe.
I love the way you guys keep going on about Klopp and Mourinho as if they were available and without any flaws. It's getting ridiculous now.
When Everton slip down the table in the next couple of years the Everton fans will realise what a good job he has done for them.
Moyes has done an excellent job at Everton, but they are one of the biggest clubs in the country. Historically they are like 6-7th in terms of honours won, so finishing top of the table with them is where they should be. He has done it on limited resources though which has been impressive.
Its actually a debate I had yesterday. Is shopping at the top end of the market easier or more difficult than scratching around on a budget?
Obviously no manager can afford to make many mistakes in the market, but I'd imagine Moyes suffered endless frustration as an Everton manager identifying targets only to have them snatched by wealthier clubs or told that he couldn't raise the funds.
I'll be greatly interested to find out the sort of players he'll be pursuing should he get the job.
Mourinho appears to be available. Flaws? Sure. SAF has flaws too.
So is he appointed yet? Or is there a swag of threads on the main page because people fear the worst? Can we get some form of thread that will say who he is when the news breaks?
I don't really read other media sources anymore unless directed from here.
I don't really read other media sources anymore unless directed from here.
Available for the bargain price of 40m euros! YAY!
Madrid very likely will either sack him or accept his resignation, which means that the 20m clause doesn't matter.
Oh, is that the case? You don't just mean wages?
That does put a different spin on things.
One of Mourinho's flaws involves leaving every club he manages about 3 years later in a great big fecking mess.
I also don't want to endure the circus that would occur in the interim. We'd get a few years and then we'd be looking for a new manager again with a much less sturdy foundation for them to build on.
I'd be genuinely gutted if we got him.
He's a winner. He's the only one who has that Fergie spell over people - his own players (when they're not Sergio Ramos) and the opposition.
Madrid want rid, he wants out, there will be some fee, but it is no way going to be the entire release clause... due to Madrid not wanting him to be their manager next season.
He's not done much winning at Real though. He was a winner?
He was still pretty consistent in the Champions League with 3 semi finals on the trot. Also he managed to wriggle away the league from Barca.
Well he's won the league and the cup, hasn't he? Against one of the best sides ever, with a side that's not nearly as good. That's pretty fecking impressive.
Isn't he currently in the process of throwing his toys out of the pram at Real because some of the players don't listen to or respect him?
Lots of people are winners. We don't have unlimited funding like Chelsea or Real. We can't afford to have someone come in, be a "winner" for a few years, then get drunk on their own ego and smash up the place before walking out again. We wouldn't be able to just throw money at another 10 managers over the next 4 years to come in and clean up the mess.
Porto are a selling club with or without him, they regularly lose their best players once they show something, it's not his fault.
He didn't leave Chelsea in a mess at all; his successor took them to the Champions League final and the core of the team he built served them well for years after this departure.
Inter had an aging squad and they were a big fecking mess before him (yeah, I know, they started winning titles on the back of Calciopoli, big deal, they were a players' graveyard for years before that). Still, they had a lot of quality players who just couldn't be arsed after winning the treble. It's also not Mourinho's fault that Moratti decided that hiring Benitez would be a good idea.
Real Madrid are, once again, not in a mess. They have an excellent squad, the world's second best player and huge financial resources to rebuild if necessary. Can't see the "mess"; surely Iker Casillas and Sergio Ramos will stop sulking once he goes and all will be right at the Bernabeu again.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/07/jose-mourinho-staying-real-madrid-chelsea
Mourinho also openly said he will not demand that his contract is paid up in full but will charge only the days he has worked at Madrid "and not a euro more"
Basically his contract situation isn't black and white. If clubs appear interested I reckon Madrid will expect them to buy him out but if they both agree to walk away there is no fee. This is obviously why Mou is currently acting petulant.
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