Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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Why do people keep bringing up Pep and Klopp?
Dortmund was a midtable side that wasn't too long out of financial disaster(not 100% sure on the timeline). They could afford to take a risk on Klopp and give him the time needed to improve the team.
Barcelona by their standards had just had a disappointing season. Pep was already working at the club, was a great player for them and clearly was doing a good enough job managing the B team. It was easy for Barca to try him out considering that he was going to be righting a wayward ship and bringing in a philosophy that would showcase their players.

We're not similar to either of those situations. We've just won the league title. The next manager needs to not mess up while also adding to the club. He needs to maintain our level not fix us coming off a bad season or being a midtable club.
 
Pep was a fantastic player who transferred his knowledge to the barca kids whilse he was a reserve manager.He was the brains behind the finest youth crop coming up in the past decade. It was only natural that barca would have chosen him

Comparing him to someone whose tactics against us was to hoof the ball towardsthe big guy upfront is ridiculous. Its more ridiculous comparing Moyes with someone who lead little Aberdeen towards domestic and european glory.
 
devilish said:
Pep was a fantastic player who transferred his knowledge to the barca kids whilse he was a reserve manager.He was the brains behind the finest youth crop coming up in the past decade. It was only natural that barca would have chosen him

Comparing him to someone whose tactics against us was to hoof the ball towardsthe big guy upfront is ridiculous. Its more ridiculous comparing Moyes with someone who lead little Aberdeen towards domestic and european glory.
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Yep, never ceases to amaze me how people can compare Moyes to Pep. totally different situations.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Yep, never ceases to amaze me how people can compare Moyes to Pep. totally different situations.
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Same

I wonder what Moyes we'll bring on the table. His football style is hardly inspiring(and lets stop with the 'he had to work with a tight budget' nonsense, Swansea do the same thing and they play a good level of football). He's got zero CL experience, he never won anything and hes never been under pressure to win anything

Moyes only two assets are

a) he sticks to his team. To be fair I cant recall of any big club knocking at his door in the past, and we're talking about a time were even United's no 2 was given the opportunity to become Real Madrid's manager

b) he overachieves by getting 'talent' from the pound shop

Is that the direction the biggest club in the world wants to head to?
 
devilish said:
Same

I wonder what Moyes we'll bring on the table. His football style is hardly inspiring(and lets stop with the 'he had to work with a tight budget' nonsense, Swansea do the same thing and they play a good level of football). He's got zero CL experience, he never won anything and hes never been under pressure to win anything

Moyes only two assets are

a) he sticks to his team. To be fair I cant recall of any big club knocking at his door in the past, and we're talking about a time were even United's no 2 was given the opportunity to become Real Madrid's manager

b) he overachieves by getting 'talent' from the pound shop

Is that the direction the biggest club in the world wants to head to?
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And you think Swansea playing good football is down to? And do mind that Everton played some good football (one of the best teams to play us this season)

You are being extremely hard on David Moyes, you never know what he could do with genuine talent as he never had the money, if he's overachieving with talent from the pound shop.

Will you be happy, getting Michael Laudrup then?
 
fishfingers15 said:
And you think Swansea playing good football is down to? And do mind that Everton played some good football (one of the best teams to play us this season)

You are being extremely hard on David Moyes, you never know what he could do with genuine talent as he never had the money, if he's overachieving with talent from the pound shop.

Will you be happy, getting Michael Laudrup then?
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If you think that hoofing the ball to the big guy upfront is good football then I rest my case. That's how Everton played against us in this season.

I am not being hard with him at all. If I was a Liverpool or an Aston Villa fan then he'll be on top of my list. However our situation is somehow different.
 
devilish said:
Same

I wonder what Moyes we'll bring on the table. His football style is hardly inspiring(and lets stop with the 'he had to work with a tight budget' nonsense, Swansea do the same thing and they play a good level of football). He's got zero CL experience, he never won anything and hes never been under pressure to win anything

Moyes only two assets are

a) he sticks to his team. To be fair I cant recall of any big club knocking at his door in the past, and we're talking about a time were even United's no 2 was given the opportunity to become Real Madrid's manager

b) he overachieves by getting 'talent' from the pound shop

Is that the direction the biggest club in the world wants to head to?
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The reason why your thesis is wrong is because you expect status quo. Did Moyes fill his team with 'battlers' because the money he was given to spend and Everton's position demanded so or is it just his natural preference? We just don't know the answer to that. Managers grow, just like players. They learn. And if Sir Alex feels that he can learn quick enough to serve the club well, we just have to go with it.

I'm not saying you are wrong. He isn't my first choice either. But to just assume he is crap because of what he served up at Everton without giving due notice to extenuating circumstances is daft.
 
Interval Level said:
The reason why your thesis is wrong is because you expect status quo. Did Moyes fill his team with 'battlers' because the money he was given to spend and Everton's position demanded so or is it just his natural preference? We just don't know the answer to that.

I'm not saying you are wrong. He isn't my first choice either. But to just assume he is crap because of what he served up at Everton without giving due notice to extenuating circumstances is daft.
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Other clubs worked with tight budgets and yet they produced a good level of football. Swansea and Udinese for example.
 
devilish said:
Other clubs worked with tight budgets and yet they produced good football. Swansea for example.
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And you don't see Swansea in the top six, do you? A manager at Swansea can allow himself to lose a few matches to pursue that football given that a tenth or a twelfth place finish is good enough for the club. But Everton are expected to be higher up which may have forced Moyes to be a bit more pragmatic.

Also, managers also learn and evolve. It may take some time for Moyes to learn the things that he lacks currently. But if Sir Alex feels he can learn quick enough and well enough to serve the club well, we have to go with his judgement on this. Don't expect Moyes to be a new man immediately. Give it time and judge.
 
Interval Level said:
And you don't see Swansea in the top six, do you? A manager at Swansea can allow himself to lose a few matches to pursue that football given that a tenth or a twelfth place finish is good enough for the club. But Everton are expected to be higher up which may have forced Moyes to be a bit more pragmatic.

Also, managers also learn and evolve. It may take some time for Moyes to learn the things that he lacks currently. But if Sir Alex feels he can learn quick enough and well enough to serve the club well, we have to go with his judgement on this. Don't expect Moyes to be a new man immediately. Give it time and judge.
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So we're bringing a manager who still needs to learn how to play proper attacking football. Sweet...he's the right man for the job then.

Honestly, very few managers manage to change their style of play. Keegan never played defensive football, Bigon never played attacking football.

If you ask me. The reason why Moyes may be selected are totally unrelated to football at top level. He's a manager who likes to stick to a job, who works with a tight budget without any complains and who wouldn't mind having legends breathing as his neck (it wasnt that useful to good old Wilf didn't it?). He's the money men's wet dream
 
interval level said:
the reason why your thesis is wrong is because you expect status quo. Did moyes fill his team with 'battlers' because the money he was given to spend and everton's position demanded so or is it just his natural preference? We just don't know the answer to that. Managers grow, just like players. They learn. And if sir alex feels that he can learn quick enough to serve the club well, we just have to go with it.

I'm not saying you are wrong. He isn't my first choice either. But to just assume he is crap because of what he served up at everton without giving due notice to extenuating circumstances is daft.
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ps: I never said he's crap.
 
devilish said:
ps: I never said he's crap.
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the thing is devilish, is that it really looks like he IS going to be the united manager. He wasn't my first choice either but I'm beginning to realise some of the reasons why United think he is a great choice. You never know really, he might be a bloody huge success regardless of all the negativity surrounding him. He's going to have massive support'advice from coaches and other staff who have been at united for many many years and he has that same kind of humility whereby he will listen to them.

Whatever, and I don't disagree with some of your doubts, as soon as it is announced I'm going to back him 100% because I want him to be a success because obviously it will mean united are successful. The thing is, regardless of what happens next season, even if we are mid table, united won't sack him...they will stick with him, so we've got him for a least 3 or 4 years anyway...
 
I wish Devilish replaced Sir Alex.

Clearly the right "man" for the job, has been telling us for a decade how Sir Alex and United should have run the team and the club.
 
Why don't they just appoint a tin of rice pudding and done with it.
 
devilish said:
So we're bringing a manager who still needs to learn how to play proper attacking football. Sweet...he's the right man for the job then.

Honestly, very few managers manage to change their style of play. Keegan never played defensive football, Bigon never played attacking football.

If you ask me. The reason why Moyes may be selected are totally unrelated to football at top level. He's a manager who likes to stick to a job, who works with a tight budget without any complains and who wouldn't mind having legends breathing as his neck (it wasnt that useful to good old Wilf didn't it?). He's the money men's wet dream
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This tiny budget thing is getting tiresome. All you 'United don't spend' brigade should have disappeared last summer. Given that United is a listed entity and given that you believe Glazers are chasing valuations, they can't afford to have barren years. In fact, they might have less patience than we do.

They are chasing higher revenues and that is, to a large extent, dependent on success on the pitch. If Moyes is given a small budget and he gets on with it and we don't win, Glazers stand to lose more than us because we will stick around but they won't be able to implement their targeted business model.
 
Why don't people give him a chance and stop doing exactly what we've been laughing at Chelsea for most of the season.

You don't like it, ok we get it.
 
devilish said:
Pep was a fantastic player who transferred his knowledge to the barca kids whilse he was a reserve manager.He was the brains behind the finest youth crop coming up in the past decade. It was only natural that barca would have chosen him
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He was only the reserve team manager for a year. Cruyf is the one responsible for Barca's youth success.
 
Eyepopper said:
Why don't people give him a chance and stop doing exactly what we've been laughing at Chelsea for most of the season.

You don't like it, ok we get it.
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Duh!

They know Moyes better than the likes of Sir Alex, and his merry men.
 
Sultan said:
Duh!

They know Moyes better than the likes of Sir Alex, and his merry men.
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Yeah I just underestimated how much Utd fans have watched Everton in the last ten years.

It's a bit strange though, every actual footballer, or person who makes a living from football, that I've seen comment on it have said its a good appointment.

Regardless of who it is the next Utd manager will need the backing of supporters and time. Hopefully he gets both.
 
Sultan said:
Duh!

They know Moyes better than the likes of Sir Alex, and his merry men.
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His footballing philosophy, his training methods, his man-management skills....they are all experts on Moyes, the man and the manager.
 
A lot of fans are very vocal in being critical of this appointment but it seems that it was Fergie who has been really pushing for Moyes. Then you get Schmeichel saying he's the right man, Gary Neville and everyone else.

If Moyes is good enough for Fergie and good enough for the likes of Neville then he's good enough for me.
 
I think people forget the squad Sir Alex has left behind. If Moyes is competent, we won't suddenly be falling down the league and to the people who think he can't attract 'stars - 1) the club attracts stars and 2) Most of Sir Alexs buys best players had 'potential'. It's not a problem
 
And within that squad hopefully Fergie gives a PL debut to our rising star and leaves him as a lovely present for the new manager.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
I wish Devilish replaced Sir Alex.

Clearly the right "man" for the job, has been telling us for a decade how Sir Alex and United should have run the team and the club.
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Ill make you my assistant and appoint Twig as Manchester United's Chief scout......that would be fun.....:drool:
 
I think continuity was also an important consideration. Someone larger would've mish mashed the team according to his needs. SAF has always been adamant of leaving a squad for the next manager so that it can continue winning whilst the new man finds his feet. Moyes will have a ready recipe to continue winning until he finds his feet at a much larger club.
 
Interval Level said:
I think continuity was also an important consideration. Someone larger would've mish mashed the team according to his needs. SAF has always been adamant of leaving a squad for the next manager so that it can continue winning whilst the new man finds his feet. Moyes will have a ready recipe to continue winning until he finds his feet at a much larger club.
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I fail to see this continuity though. The only two things that I can link Moyes to the United way is that he's got experience in the EPL + he believes in youths. His football style is different to what we play, he has zero experience in Europe, he had never really competed for top honors. I think that someone like Klopp sided with a former player (Ole?) would have guaranteed more continuity to the side,
 
devilish said:
If you think that hoofing the ball to the big guy upfront is good football then I rest my case.
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Pure hyperbole.

But, definitely hang your entire opinion on it and keep harping about how Everton played us this season.

It's not getting tedious at all.
 
devilish said:
I fail to see this continuity though. The only two things that I can link Moyes to the United way is that he's got experience in the EPL + he believes in youths. His football style is different to what we play, he has zero experience in Europe, he had never really competed for top honors. I think that someone like Klopp sided with a former player (Ole?) would have guaranteed more continuity to the side,
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Have you watched Everton since the first day of the season or are you just bleating on about the same thing for the sake of it? Everton are not just a long ball team, not by a long shot. Nor have we been playing an exceptional, fluid quick passing game. They also work harder to get the ball back higher up the pitch than we do.
 
I don't understand why some are talking about Moyes tactics. Do they really think he'd come here and play the same way? 'Right lads, we're fighting for 6/7th place this year'....

He'd play the United way. There won't be any negativity. He's not going to play 'hoof it' football and btw even we have played that tactic now and then. I remember a flipping European cup final when our mission seemed to be giving the ball back to Barcelona

As for him not winning titles. Sometimes you get teams that are great cup teams while some do better in the league. Everton weren't a cup team.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Have you watched Everton since the first day of the season or are you just bleating on about the same thing for the sake of it? Everton are not just a long ball team, not by a long shot. Nor have we been playing an exceptional, fluid quick passing game. They also work harder to get the ball back higher up the pitch than we do.
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Ill be honest with you, Everton are not a team I like to watch a lot. Too physical and one dimension for my tastes. I did watch them enough to give an opinion
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
His footballing philosophy, his training methods, his man-management skills....they are all experts on Moyes, the man and the manager.
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Reading the first few pages when Fergie wanted to retire, he seemed like strongly recommend O'Neill and Queiroz as his potential successor. Yep, the same O'Neill that just sacked by Sunderland, and Queiroz who's managing Iran NT now.
 
Isotope said:
Reading the first few pages when Fergie wanted to retire, he seemed like strongly recommend O'Neill and Queiroz as his potential successor. Yep, the same O'Neill that just sacked by Sunderland, and Queiroz who's managing Iran NT now.
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Yeah but you have to remember times change. O'neill has been a good coach. You never know what he'd have done with a better squad. Queiroz? Lots of United fans wanted him too never mind Sir Alex.
 
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