This is a depressing thread. At least we've moved on from the puns, small mercies.
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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I heard somewhere that he is actually very funny. We may see that when he is part of our club. You don't see every trait of someone when you don't see them all the time.
Those suggesting he doesn't promote youth - Moyes gave debuts to two of the three youngest Premier League goalscorers of all time, Rooney and Vaughan.
Moyes will get genuine enthusiasm ... his man management is brilliant to hear Phil Neville talk about him. When do you ever hear about disgruntled dressing rooms at Everton. Seems to have a really solid culture there and that's exactly what I'd want at OT.
Rodwell too. He'll promote youth so long as they are good enough.
You take these things too seriously. Christ on a bike!
Ayee, and this was done without significant investment. It really is an achievement what he has managed to do at Everton on such a low budget. I understand people might have doubts over his ability to translate his success at Everton to a top team at United, but downplaying his success at Everton is just stupid. He couldn't have done any better with those players and that level of transfer spending.
Pre-Moyes
97 - 15th
98 - 17th
99 - 14th
00 - 13th
01 - 16th
02 - 15th
After Moyes
03 - 7th
04 - 17th
05 - 4th
06 - 11th
07 - 6th
08 - 5th
09 - 5th
10 - 8th
11 - 7th
12 - 7th
13 - 6th
It is at the moment but back in the 80's and 70's was it?
The lack of trophies is a downside for Moyes but you look at the clubs who have won trophies in the period he has been managing Everton. Portsmouth are in league 2, Birmingham and 'Boro in the championship and we have Swansea this season. Other than the the trophies have been solely won by the bigger clubs with far more resources than Moyes.
Has anyone considered the possibility (Not suggesting this is actually the case) that not all managers would be jumping up and down for a chance to manage United immediately after Fergie? No matter who takes he's on a hiding to nothing and is a no win situation.
Has anyone considered the possibility (Not suggesting this is actually the case) that not all managers would be jumping up and down for a chance to manage United immediately after Fergie? No matter who takes he's on a hiding to nothing and is a no win situation.
I'm not wanting him here but I'll give him time. Interestingly if anyone cares Klopp has seven years at Mainz with a similar win percentage at Moyes before moving to Dortmund.
Its the completely childish dismissal of what Moyes has done at Everton that gets me.
I can certainly understand some of the arguments against him. But Jesus Christ, dismissing him because, shock horror, Everton have not won trophies instead of City and Cheisea is bullshit.
And I have a long term hatred of those who go weak at the knees for managers and players with fancy continental names and who find British/Irish equivalents too boring.
I almost find myself getting behind Moyes already due to the fact that those two gimps on Talksport, Mark Saggers and Collymore, were salivating about what it would be like to question a United manager about his job security.
Does anyone think one of the reason for signing Moyes is that his contract runs out this summer so we don't have to pay a penny for him?
Still time for it be ridiculed
Moyes will be a success at United; there's no doubt in my mind about that. My only worry is that SAF's departure might disrupt the Ronaldo transfer.
You never know how a manager will do unless you give him a chance at a big club. I mean, Brendan Rodgers was rubbish at Reading, and just look at him now...being rubbish at Liverpool.
I wouldn't. It's a suicide mission.
Good God man get real! This is the 21st century, the game is global,hi tech etc.What happened back then has no relevance anymore.
Do you want to go back pre WW2?
Seriously, who the feck do you think you are? And what makes you presume you know anything about the people unhappy with this?
I was a United fan before Fergie and I'll be one long after he's gone. My support doesn't hinge on who the manager is. You seem to have this stupid notion in your head that anyone not excited by the prospect of Moyes as our next manager is some glory hunter who is going to run and support someone else. Read the early parts of the thread you're posting in. Read the posts written in it over the last year or two even. Plenty of people on this thread, myself included, said they wouldn't fancy Moyes to replace Fergie. Are they all glory hunters? Should they suddenly change their mind because it might happen now?
I stated a good while ago I wouldn't be keen on Moyes replacing Fergie. I haven't changed my mind on it.
That's outstanding, if true. I doubt Fergie would do a much better job himself, under those circumstances.
No, you don't make decisions as important as this based on saving a few million. The Glazers aren't stupid, this is the most important managerial appointment the club has ever made.
If they choose Moyes it's because they think he is the best person for the job.
Phelan will be one of the firsts out of a job.
Depends if you think the Glazers are unbelievably thick I suppose.
I take it back. I got you mixed up with someone else.
But I want better arguments against Moyes than " why hasn't he beaten clubs with three times the wage bill to trophies?".
Don't diss the project.
Doubt it. Moyes won't dictate to the club who his assistant is IMO, they'll make that decision mutually and it won't be Steve Round.
I could see them potentially bringing in a new assistant manager but even then Phelan won't be dismissed he'll just take a similar role to Rene I think.
Moyeschester United.
Moyes will be a shrewd appointment. I'm sure if he's given time he'll be a success.
It's certainly going to be an interesting summer, I have a feeling a few players will be shown the door.
It's certainly going to be an interesting summer, I have a feeling a few players will be shown the door.
I'm getting less and less worried about Moyes having the job. I think its the perfectly understated appointment the club needs at this time. Within the club, he's going to have a hell of a lot of support, he's the kind of guy that will immediately buy into the tradition and history of the place and have a respect for it. I like Jose M...but the circus that would follow that guy everywhere, and the arrogance that would certainly ruffle feathers throughout the United hierarchy and throughout all areas of the club could truly do some serious damage to the whole fabric of what Ferguson has built.
Do you think the Ronaldo transfer was going to happen ?
Everyone will get behind Moyes but the appointment is kind of like opening a christmas present as a kid, expecting the Optimus Prime toy and getting an Enid Blyton book instead.
It does give the new season a more unpredictable feel. It will be just like Man Utd to go out and win the title too.
It does give the new season a more unpredictable feel. It will be just like Man Utd to go out and win the title too.
Pretty much what I think, I'm slowly coming around to the idea. I was fuming this morning though when he was linked.
Still wouldn't have been my choice but he's no mug, he's an intelligent bloke and is clearly a steely, determined character. I'm most interested in how he shapes this squad, it just needs tweaking, but he has to have full control over what he wants to do with it, that's the way it must be. His transfers have always been good value, but now he's looking at the next bracket up, the top class players.
They're Moyestly behind us thank heavens.
This is exactly how I feel today. I have no problem with people having a rational argument about the relative strengths and weaknesses of him, but some of the shite spouted in here today will be hard for people to pull back from. Sure they'll say in the announcement thread that they're all behind him despite not liking it, but in reality they'll be waiting for the first opportunity to spit the dummies out like the dickish pricks they look.
(that last bit doesn't apply to people acting in a reasonable manner)
They're not. Not at all.
No.
This is the most important decision the Glazers have made as club owners. The difference between the right choice and the wrong one is vastly greater than a few million pounds.
Looking though the Everton coaching staff I'm not sure who he will bring with him.
Steve round is his assistant, is he rated highly?
Steve round is his assistant, is he rated highly?
I haven't said anything of the sort either. I've given my reasons. I think there are better candidates, and Moyes to me seems like a safe, uninspiring, unimaginative appointment.
Anyone following Fergie has a tough job, but this is an opportunity to modernise our thinking and coaching, and perhaps our football. A chance to go in a different direction with possibly a young vibrant forward thinking manager, and instead we've likely gone with a rather dull, pragmatic option who plays rather dull, pragmatic football.
No, I've heard his motivational skills are a bit flat.
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