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Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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Everton were in the FA Cup final.
Busted!
Alex McLeish won a league cup. We should have gone for him.
The only decent consolation I could think of is that he will probably sign a midfielder or two. Maybe bring Fellaini with him..
They knocked us out of the FA Cup a few years ago to get to the final. Try and keep up.
Di Matteo did even better!
Really it's ok, we're not the first manager in the world to appoint a manager who hasn't won a trophy.
Barcelona appointed Pep Guardiola.
Juventus appointed Conte who only won Seria B.
Moyes is more established than them when they were going for the big job. Doesn't mean that Moyes is going to be a very big success, but there's no guarantee of success with anyother manager. Even the Caf favorite Mourinho did average with an extremely assembled squad at Real.
Barcelona appointed Pep Guardiola.
Juventus appointed Conte who only won Seria B.
Moyes is more established than them when they were going for the big job. Doesn't mean that Moyes is going to be a very big success, but there's no guarantee of success with anyother manager. Even the Caf favorite Mourinho did average with an extremely assembled squad at Real.
I would be more than happy with Moyes if I felt he had full support of the fans. But I am dreading the 1st "you don't know what you're doing" chants
Irwinwastheking said:
David Moyes consistently finishing upper mid-table is an over-achievement worthy of a chance to take over Manchester United? I genuinely have no idea how anyone can come to that conclusion, it's ludicrous. I don't think he's done enough to warrant a chance at the likes of Arsenal, never mind United.
Irwinwastheking said:
It doesn't make you a muppet to think that one of the biggest clubs in the world shouldn't appoint a mid-table manager.
He's going to be working with the England U21s isn't he?
Well he did win La Liga but please don't accuse me of being fair and balanced when it comes to Jose. I'm only into bashing him.
Can't see the fans turn against Moyes for a long time. We are not famous for booing our own or even ex players. We have the best fans in the country and he will get the support.
OK, so if Mouinho/Klopp/Pep are all not available (as it seems) then who is the man for you?
As did Sir Alex's United team against more inferior teams.
That's not a consolation. That would be rubbing salt in the wounds.
He'd be a good option, but that's a debate for another day.
Rather Fellaini than Gibson.
Contrary to internet Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, in general, United fans have more class than that.
Also regarding his inexperience in Europe, he'll be largely keeping the United coaching staff according to various sources(Independent etc). All of them have enough experience to compensate for Moyes's inexperience.
I think your right in fairness. There will be pockets of muppets but I think by and large he'll get a crack at the whip from the matchgoers.
(is it Ok for me (an OOT) to say that??)
I'd hate to see that curly haired feck anywhere near our team, but yes, it's for another day, another thread.
It's still utterly depressing.
Well if they have the experience why not let them manage the club?
If Gill is saying the next man needs European experience then we should have went for someone with it. It's simple really. We should be looking at some of the managerial heavyweights. We're trying to replace the best manager ever.
I am of the opposite mind - this is the time to go with "boring" - if boring means consistent and stable. Something Moyes will provide with the help of Ferguson in the background, then thank goodness.
A young manager will IMO be too scared all the time to fail coming into this position and will play even safer to make sure they keep their job and not be willing to risk as much or worse, the opposite and go gung-ho trying to stamp their own authority and fall flat on their face
A high profile manager such as Mourinho will have a real problem with "meddling" from Fergie behind closed doors and that will lead to more instability.
SAF himself leaving is going to have a gargantuan affect on the club but, then there is also David Gill leaving which is another huge change. Now is not the time to change the entire club.
I also don't understand your point on modernizing the club - what about our club is not modern? We have one of the best scouting networks, the immense investment in sports medicine and our training facility. Is it that under Ferguson there has been a strong feeling of unity/family whi that has no place in the modern game and rather we should just be looking for the next best thing and sell them on every few years to bring in something new?
What about Moyes makes him any less forward thinking? Hasn't he always tried to do what he can to move Everton forward as a club - using both youth and investing in foreign players when able? Everton in recent seasons have become even more likely to go and fight among the title chasers, not backing down and going for just the point.
It just seems a lot of people aren't too keen on Moyes because of the style of play Everton seem to use but, if you take a step back you'll see Moyes uses the resources he has to give him the best chance. I fully believe given the types of players United have, he will be more than willing to play a lot less hoof it up style.
The other thing is for United to become "modern" and "forward thinking" it's going to take more than a young vibrant manager. For United to change the way they play on the field it will start not with the next manager but, more so with a philosophy in the Academy/youth setups. A new manager coming in trying to just keep their head from being chopped up I don't see having the time to spend re-doing the whole youth setup.
Whoever the next manager is, I think the hierarchy - especially SAF will have spent a lot of time for what is best for the club in the long run - and that takes more imagination than trying to get the club to change to whatever the latest new it club seems to be in the news is.
I suppose not. But you have to realize that if Moyes does indeed get the job it won't be because United regard his record at Everton as the most stunning resume in world football today. It will be because Sir Alex Ferguson himself has recommended him for the job. Presumably because he, SAF, sees a potential in him beyond his results.
This notion that we shouldn't go around hiring mid-table managers is as simplistic as it gets. Snobbish, even. Moyes has been on the radar for a long time, I would think. Fergie has been keeping his eye on him for years. At the end of the day the most glowing endorsement anyone can get is SAF's own recommendation. To me that easily outweighs anything, including trophies and CL experience.
Has anyone considered that "European" experience generally means feck all?
A European football match is still a football match, you can learn all you need by studying your opponents and talking to people. If you have good experience, then you have good experience for Europe.
A good manager will tweak the playing style depending on opponent and objective. Not by making drastic changes.
A European football match is still a football match, you can learn all you need by studying your opponents and talking to people. If you have good experience, then you have good experience for Europe.
A good manager will tweak the playing style depending on opponent and objective. Not by making drastic changes.
They don't have the experience of managing a club?
Do you think it is a coincidence his contract runs out at the same time as Sir Alex quits?
This is not a knee-jerk decision by Sir Alex, probably been on the cards for a year.
Personally, the main reason I'm ok about Moyes appointment is the fact that Ferguson has personally recommended him to the job. I don't think he'd have recommended anyone who could potentially ruin nearly all of his great work.
Thats a fair point. My main worry about Sir Alex leaving has not been what would happen in the 1-2 seasons afterwards. I think he has the squad set up so well that we will be very competitive under any manager who is fairly decent in the short term.
The big worry is the long term polices of the new manager on transfers and youth systems. Also how long will the new manager last. You just know that certain managers would just be there short term.
It mattered years ago, these days you can watch absolutely any opponent on tv/live by plane. It's experience of dealing with the extra games not the opposition.
So their experience is only a positive enough to cover Moyes inexperience, but not positive enough for them to do the job themselves? Read what I was replying to.
We were going to go with Sven in 2001, and I assume SAF's opinion was considered back then as well. It's quite possible to get something like this wrong.
Exactly.
The truth is that now in the English league there is an oligarchic elite. It is, to all intents and purposes, now impossible to break that elite without joining it.
In Germany you have only one club that is in a similar in economic might to the top 3-4 English financial powerhouses. Dortmund last won the title before Klopp in 01-02. In the 90's they won two titles and the Champions League. Klopp's work at Dortmund is in no way analogous to Moyes's at Everton.
Is there any particular reason for the low odds for Moyes?
Surely its worth laying, because as I'm aware there's been nothing official as of now?
Surely its worth laying, because as I'm aware there's been nothing official as of now?
You're now bordering on facetious which is a pity as you have been one of the reasonable anti-moyes posters here today.
To be confirmed tomorrow, apparently.
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