Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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One of my uncertainties with Moyes over Mourinho is will Moyes be able to attract the same sort of player as what Mourinho could?

I know we are a huge club with a rich history of success and that will stand us in good stead but if Mourinho went to Chelsea and Moyes to United and we find ourselves battling for the same player, (ridiculous as it seems as we are the league champions) would these "top" players be more inclined to the name of Mourinho than to the potential of Moyes?

They'll go where the money and the trophies are.
 
So it's racism that will get him appointed?

This place is worse than RAWK.

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I just find the reasoning for appointing him to be odd. From the outside it looks like an insane move. I am sure that him being Scottish curries him favour with important board members.............like SAF.
 
One of my uncertainties with Moyes over Mourinho is will Moyes be able to attract the same sort of player as what Mourinho could?

I know we are a huge club with a rich history of success and that will stand us in good stead but if Mourinho went to Chelsea and Moyes to United and we find ourselves battling for the same player, (ridiculous as it seems as we are the league champions) would these "top" players be more inclined to the name of Mourinho than to the potential of Moyes?

Yep exactly like when United had Fergie and Chelsea had the rookie RDM and Hazard obviously went to the senior man.....
 
I hope so. If I hear him being boo'ed then I'll lose a lot of respect for our supporters. But yeah, I think our match day support will be fine, even if he's not their first choice candidate.

I really doubt that. Fans are fickle.
We've had Giggs being booed. Then when CQ returned and we began transitioning to 4-3-3 we had "attack, attack" and "4-4-2" chants throughout matches. That was to somebody who at that point was already our most successful manager of all time. If David Moyes comes in, he'll be booed out the building if he doesn't give us instant success.
 
Soooo our manager of 26 years has just suddenly retired and we're accused of overreacting? Yeah, I think that's allowed for today.

If you are taking it personally maybe you should take a long hard look at why you are overreacting. He was going to retire sooner than later it's not the end of Utd, nobody's died and we won't make the mistakes in appointing another Wilf McGuiness.

Grow up!
 
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I just find the reasoning for appointing him to be odd. From the outside it looks like an insane move. I am sure that him being Scottish curries him favour with important board members.............like SAF.

You can't genuinely believe that?:rolleyes:
 
What's the wage bill of United, City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea compared to Everton? What trophies are left to win when those clubs use those higher wage bills to hoover up all the trophies.

Higher than Everton. But that's the difference between a mediocre and a great manager. The former only perform to their standard, the latter outperform their level. For trophies of teams overperforming see the numerous smaller clubs who have won the FA Cup/League Cup/Europa League against the odds.
 
If you are taking it personally maybe you should take a long hard look at why you are overreacting. He was going to retire sooner than later it's not the end of Utd, nobody's died and we won't make the mistakes in appointing another Wilf McGuiness.

Grow up!

I'm not overreacting. I just don't want Moyes at the club, like a lot of other people. Accept it and stop telling me what I can and cannot say about a possible future manager.
 
I really doubt that. Fans are fickle.
We've had Giggs being booed. Then when CQ attacked and we began transitioning to 4-3-3 we had "attack, attack" and "4-4-2" chants throughout matches. That was to somebody who at that point was already our most successful manager of all time. If David Moyes comes in, he'll be booed out the building if he doesn't give us instant success.

Yeah I agree, he'll need to start fast or I can see the fans turning on him
 
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I just find the reasoning for appointing him to be odd. From the outside it looks like an insane move. I am sure that him being Scottish curries him favour with important board members.............like SAF.

What utter nonsense. By that criteria we should appoint Strachan,McCleish or a couple of others as they've won more than Moyes and have European experience
 
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I just find the reasoning for appointing him to be odd. From the outside it looks like an insane move. I am sure that him being Scottish curries him favour with important board members.............like SAF.

Rubbish. Do you think the Glazers give a feck which flavour of British Moyes is?

My opinion of this board has never been so low. And I remember it from May last year.
 
I'm saying he has done nothing out of the ordinary/special (unlike SAF when he was appointed for instance).

Being the 7th - 9th wealthiest club with the 7th - 9th largest wage bill and consistently (pretty much) finishing... 7th - 9th isn't a noteworthy achievement.



Exactly. If he had won the Europa League and FA Cups/League Cups you could at least argue he's overachieved - he's massively underachieved in this regard (cups).

His recent finishes have been 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 6th, 6th. With a net spend in the last 5 years of about £5m. That's not a noteworthy achievement? He's had to sell important players, balance the books, cope with Villa, Spurs, City, and even fecking Stoke splashing cash at various points and he's still been that consistent? I think he's done pretty damn well.
 
It is relevant though as it shows that if you take a good manager and give him a team with good foundations, a promising squad with youngsters and a bit of money, then they can be a success.

He was also a young manager.

Laudrup fits the bill in the same way
 
Higher than Everton. But that's the difference between a mediocre and a great manager. The former only perform to their standard, the latter outperform their level. For trophies of teams overperforming see the numerous smaller clubs who have won the FA Cup/League Cup/Europa League against the odds.

:wenger: Moyes hasn't outperformed Everton's level?

Give yourself a shake man
 
Gill said that Ferguson would be fully involved in who would succeed him, so presumably Moyes has Fergusons blessing. There is only one man who really knows what it's like to manage United, who knows the club inside and out and therefore knows what qualities are needed in his successor.
 
I'm not bothered about people having differing opinions, I've been saying for ages that I wouldn't mind Mourinho and I still wouldn't now. I think it's going too far though to be calling the guy that is likely to be our next manager, we laugh at other clubs for that.

Fair enough, and I agree - it was the comment about the class of our supporters as a whole based on the behaviour of a minority in that last post that I didn't like.
 
One thing about Moyes is that he can build his legacy here, whereas people like Mourinho and Guardiola are already legends at other clubs. They'll never be the 'Manchester United legend' as Fergie and Busby are. We should get behind the guy. This is what this club is all about, taking someone with potential and turning them into something special.


Agreed. The great thing about this appointment is that IF it does work out and Moyes starts to win trophys, he's going to stay long term. And that's next to impossible to find nowadays. I really hope people give him a chance. He's not my first choice, but I do believe he has the tools to be successful here.
 
Moyes played the tactics according to the strengths of his squad. I'm sure he has the tactical knowledge to change the way his teams play when he has better players at his disposal.
 
The main gripe i've got with Moyes coming here is at this current moment in time if all managers were available none would turn United down, but if Moyes does a spectacularly shite job then will are pulling power of getting the top managers be the same as a team like Liverpools?
 
Of course he wouldn't, why would you when you have different and superior players. BTW Everton have played some great stuff this season, and do most seasons.

exactly :) So the people moaning about how Everton play and their tactics are wrong. I personally wouldn't mind Moyes. There's always concerns ie: will he be able to attract the players?

But we're Manchester United. First and foremost. In addition to that, you only have to look at Dortmund to know you don't have to have a massive name (club/coach) to get bring the right players in.
 
The main gripe i've got with Moyes coming here is at this current moment in time if all managers were available none would turn United down, but if Moyes does a spectacularly shite job then will are pulling power of getting the top managers be the same as a team like Liverpools?

mancester united is a MUCH bigger club than Liverpool, it will always attract top managers..
 
Rubbish. Do you think the Glazers give a feck which flavour of British Moyes is?

My opinion of this board has never been so low. And I remember it from May last year.

I don't believe it's because he is Scottish, but his character, he is loyal and hard working, I can imagine him at reserve games watching the youngsters playing. Can't imagine Jose doing that. Also won't allow indiscipline, which is a good thing. I still remember Jose and him insulting ambulance service etc. when Cech got injured at Reading. He has a really ugly side when it suits.
 
Higher than Everton. But that's the difference between a mediocre and a great manager. The former only perform to their standard, the latter outperform their level. For trophies of teams overperforming see the numerous smaller clubs who have won the FA Cup/League Cup/Europa League against the odds.

First of all you might wanna have a look at where Everton were finishing before Moyes.

That bit in bold is a crock of shit if ever I've seen. Portsmouth didn't win the FA Cup against the odds, they were given a virtual free run to the final only beating us through sheer insane luck. Have a look at the teams they drew. And they spent big to build that team, look at the club now.

Birmingham won the league cup and went down....and who are these teams who have won the Europa league "against the odds"?
 
Looking forward to the Moyes/Phelan combo...exciting times ahead!!!
 
Higher than Everton. But that's the difference between a mediocre and a great manager. The former only perform to their standard, the latter outperform their level. For trophies of teams overperforming see the numerous smaller clubs who have won the FA Cup/League Cup/Europa League against the odds.

Maybe you missed this. Everton are going for their fifth top-eight finish in a row, whereas a Premier League table of net transfer spend over that period would put them fourth from bottom.

Do you think Everton fans would rather be in Birmingham or Portsmouth's shoes having won a cup but getting relegated. The league positions say a lot more than winning a cup.
 
exactly :) So the people moaning about how Everton play and their tactics are wrong. I personally wouldn't mind Moyes. There's always concerns ie: will he be able to attract the players?

But we're Manchester United. First and foremost. In addition to that, you only have to look at Dortmund to know you don't have to have a massive name (club/coach) to get bring the right players in.

Exactly, the most expensive players aren't always the right ones. Dortmund prove that, Real Madrid don't.
 
Modern players are pragmatic to a fault. Pay them enough money, and you'll hear them fake enthusiasm for Moyes' "project" etc etc. And, if they're not entirely stupid, they'll have noticed Mourinho's habit of "loving" his players, former players & clubs only so long as things went his way; otherwise, he'll push them into the path of incoming traffic - anything but blame himself or take criticism. Who wants to hear JM describe SAF or Sir Bobby as old "men" or some such if either of our legends criticises José? I fecking don't...
 
I don't believe it's because he is Scottish, but his character, he is loyal and hard working, I can imagine him at reserve games watching the youngsters playing. Can't imagine Jose doing that. Also won't allow indiscipline, which is a good thing. I still remember Jose and him insulting ambulance service etc. when Cech got injured at Reading. He has a really ugly side when it suits.

Nail on the fecking head.

Also hasn't Jose left just about every dressing room he's managed in disarray.
 
The former only perform to their standard, the latter outperform their level. For trophies of teams overperforming see the numerous smaller clubs who have won the FA Cup/League Cup/Europa League against the odds.

So maybe we should be signing McLaren, McLeish, Hodgson... Some league cups and Europa League finals between them!
 
Moyes is the man for the United job, there's no doubt about that; it's really only a matter of time. Many of you are going to come across as being right twonks when this thread is looked back upon and we all see who was slagging off the United manager prior to his appointment.

Posted back in December to much ridicule.

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