LOL. Tbf I'd do her too if not for the age.
Moyes So Far!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Ashwin (@AR87) discuss the last 3 matches - a mixed bag with 1 win, 1 draw and 1 loss.
They discuss what signs of progress we are seeing under Amorim - should we expect more by now? And the spotlight falls on Dorgu, Onana and Hojlund.
The podcast finishes with previews of the 2 cup games Vs Fulham and Real Sociedad.
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LOL. Tbf I'd do her too if not for the age.
Chicharito would be a cocker spaniel.Whilst people are still bumming off Meulensteen I happened to find this little excerpt about him in an article about John Beck in The Guardian:
I think our season will look a bit brighter now.. just six points off the top, and neither of those teams are capable of sustaining it.
Aye, Saturday was a much needed lift.
I expect this season to be the tightest we'll see between 3 or 4 teams rather than just two. Too many odd results flying about at the moment. If we're not losing at home to West Brom, Spurs are getting destroyed by West Ham. Liverpool get done over by Southampton at home and City can't defend against relegation candidates Cardiff.
Whilst Arsenal and Liverpool are performing better than you'd have expected, it speaks volumes that Southampton are sat in 4th with 7 games in. I wonder if they'll do a Newcastle and seriously overachieve (despite some spending). With 31 games left there is time for things to go back to normal, but I think we're in for a serious rollercoaster ride.
Yep, while I don't think we'll win the title this season I do still think we'll challenge for it. That's only been reinforced by the fact that the two sides I expected to be our main competition haven't started too well, albeit still better than us. I don't think we'll win it, but this is a season where we could finish with a fairly average points total by our standards and still end up mounting a decent challenge.
It will be a very open and exciting season, for sure. But I honestly can't see the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool keeping up if our own results/Chelsea and/or City get back to normal.
You sure on that?, Arse and Liverpool will be in the mix after xmas.
I think Moyes will start getting some good results, but I honestly would not get my hopes up for any entertaining football being played. It's just not his style. It's one of the main reasons I was shocked he got the job, at Utd you've got to play a certain brand of football and get results.
We haven't played consistently good football for a good few seasons now. We rely on individual brilliance rather than great team work.
Fair point, but with Ferguson at least you knew that his sides were capable of it, he proved it time and time again. With Moyes there is no such history of his sides playing good, entertaining, attacking football. He's just a good solid coach who has won the bloody lotto.
I found the Sunderland game very entertaining, both halves. I also thought Everton under Moyes were entertaining. Everton always liked to attack. Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, never dull football with those guys playing.
Bollocks
I must have been watching a different Everton side in the last 10 years then. His default setting is a cautious defensive minded one (with some hoof ball thrown in). He's a good solid coach but that's all he is. He's not at the level Utd need. If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up, but I fear he is well out of his depth.
I guess there's only one way to find out.
I agree that he didn't have Everton playing the most exciting brand of football but it was certainly effective for the most part. Equally, United could have gone for the more expensive option but equally less entertaining (press conferences notwithstanding) in Mourinho.
I feel that Moyes is still chopping and changing too much, he needs to decide on his best matchday squad and stick with it. Rotating a few players within that squad is fine and obviously changes are needed due to injuries, but I still dont like the way that players go from starting line up to sitting in the stands from week to week.
Hopefully we will start to see more of a settled line up and then the consistency will come.
Hopefully we will start to see more of a settled line up and then the consistency will come.
I am not sure if Moyes is out of his depth or now. If I was the Glazers, he wouldn't have been my first choice for a variety of reasons.
But to be fair to Moyes, he is still learning about the players -- what they strengths/weaknesses are. Thats why the chopping & changing.
I also think thats why he did not send in the substitutions at around 63rd min (like Fergie) and sending in weird choices.
You send on a sub to affect the game in the way you see fit. Right now, he just doesn't know or even trust them well enough -- based mainly on training.. and not sure how they perform on game day.
Collectively, we have been watching United players for years and know their weaknesses and strengths. Some choices will make more sense for us. But Moyes, he needs to see the difference between training and game day. Thus the poor choices of subs so far.
I have faith in SAF. This may be the second most important decision he has made in Football...other than accepting the United job.
I was happy to see Rooney come out in defense of Moyes saying it was the players fault for the poor start.
He is an Everton fan which makes me think that very likely he knows much more than us about how Everton played for the last ten years or so.
I completely agree with his. Moyes isn't an attacking minded coach, which was my biggest worry when he was appointed. I don't care about his lack of trophies and his lack of European experience cause they are things that he can learn. But changing the philosophy of his approach to the game is much more difficult.
One positive thing which always stuck me about his Everton side was that they kept on going till the final whistle, specially at the Goodison. Haven't seen any other team outside of the big ones who did this. They rescued so many points at the death. Haven't seen this so far at United from him, but it'll come.
Yes but we already do that... we score more 2nd half goals that anyone else in the league. So what else can he bring to the table?
It'll continue?
First lets not pretend Everton played hoofball because they didn't. I know you like to find any possible stick to beat Moyes with but lets not talk bollocks.
So anyway, Moyes is more than anything else a pragmatic coach. He played the way he did at Everton in order to be successful, they worked on a tight budget and lacked the quality of players in teams he regularly finished higher than - such as Spurs.
Consequently, his 'philosophy' at Preston was completely different and they were known for playing passing football. His style changed with the team, the aims of the club and the players he had at his disposal.
He spent 11 years at Everton, he could have tried to adapt the team he built to higher standards in terms of the quality of football. It's all well saying he didn't have resources, I doubt Laudrup was loaded with cash at Swansea yet he got better results than Moyes did at Everton while playing attractive football their fans could be proud of.
Mind you Everton weren't that bad on the eye in his final year there. It wasn't breathtaking football but it wasn't rigid boring hoofball either.
Mind you Everton weren't that bad on the eye in his final year there. It wasn't breathtaking football but it wasn't rigid boring hoofball either.
I wasn't on here straight after the Sunderland match. But I hope he was given credit for playing Januzaj. Everyone was crying out for him to be used and get some decent minutes, finally does and it paid off. I hope credit was given to Moyes but I assume the negatives were pointed out in more force.
I didn't pretend that they were Stoke, but they also didn't played beautiful free flowing football. Like Swansea or Wigan did. He got the results with it and Everton has been the best team outside of big 6 (sometimes better). I think that he could have had a different approach to the game (like Martinez, Rodgers or Laudrup) but on a team with not much resourses it could had backfired. In United is an approach that has to be changed though, there is no way that we are going to win anything with playing percentage football (not hoofball).
Don't know nothing about his time at Preston.
Laudrup has done a lot of things right so far, there's no denying that. What is astonishing about Moyes' Everton career, however, is how consistently he made them "over-perform" or whatever you want to call it. We're yet to see where Swansea find themselves a couple of seasons down the line. Wigan under Martinez were largely bottom material, free flow and all; they ended up relegated and they were subject - during his reign - to some of the more memorable hammerings in PL history. Rodgers? Do I like his brand of football? Not really. Nor has the jury come in on his Liverpool "project".
"Beautiful" football is a very subjective category. I've never felt Moyes was a negative manager as such. Shrewd, making the most of his team, and not averse to attacking when that was possible.
"Beautiful" football is a very subjective category. I've never felt Moyes was a negative manager as such. Shrewd, making the most of his team, and not averse to attacking when that was possible.
I am hoping that this is the reason and that soon he will settle on his best side and that we can start getting some consistency to build a strong team unit - after all that is what Moyes is known for.
We also have to remember what we all said when the fixtures came out. This was one fecking tough start. Sure, we slipped up in games that was a surprise but all in all, we knew it would be a tough start results wise.
I want to see definite improvement, no doubt. But I am not going to judge a manager on a few weeks of competitive football, especially considering the change from Everton to United.
Plenty of time guys, we need to be patient.
I want to see definite improvement, no doubt. But I am not going to judge a manager on a few weeks of competitive football, especially considering the change from Everton to United.
Plenty of time guys, we need to be patient.
I don't think people are asking Moyes to be sacked. The vast majority of people's whinges are showing the following traits:
1) Fear of change and the unknown after 27 years of relative stability.
2) Change in style which they are unaccustomed to and tbf to Moyes, I suspect the players aren't really adopting and implementing too well -- thus the current basic approach; go down the wing and cross; failing that, try the other wing approach and cross.
3) Nervousness due to an leap in talent brought in by the oppositions from Chelski to City to even the Scousers.
4) Major feck-up by Woody-wood aka Pecker during the summer which didn't boost confidence in the new regime.
Anymore reasons?
I've read those quotes the other day, basically Giggsy said the same, that it's the team that's not doing things right rather than Moyes telling them not to run, not to shoot, not to pass in the crucial moment. Naturally, that's the backing any new manager would get from his players but to be fair, I think that Giggsy and Rooney are right here, it's the team that's underperforming in the league. Bizzare picks have happened before yet they didn't affect our team to that extent, add to that some blunders done by our defence, lack of proper movement in the box from our strikers in the West Brom game and it paints a picture of our players underachieving at the moment.
We've had pretty tough start, new coaches being appointed, Gill leaving with Woodward getting new role at the club, basically speaking, a huge transition period. I also think that we've lacked some sparky moments ( up to Sunderland game ) this season, some spectacular save from de Gea which would be a talking point for the media, some tremendous quality goal from the open play, some trashing of our opponents in the league and thanks to that whole media got on our back, giving us shit for anything we've done and Moyes was on the receiving end of it all.
Now we'll get some breathing space, papers are going to be busy talking about tremendous start from Januzaj and David's world class save. We've lacked such moments and I think that such moments do lift up the whole team, mentally wise, we can only build on such things. I can only assume that things will go a bit better from now on, I have my fingers crossed for Moyes pretty hard as I simply like him.
One thing which I have really liked so far, is the fact that when someone is doing well, they get rewarded with a chance in the next match. Also the way that Young has been taken out of the team after being given enough chances. Even as he gets to know the team, I think we will find that players will be rewarded for form and ability.
He is learning about the resources at hand, and once he has a handle we will get a move on.
He is learning about the resources at hand, and once he has a handle we will get a move on.
What Utd want more than anything is long term stability and Neville made a great point at the weekend, while Fergie, Sir Bobby and Gill are on the board Moyes wont be going anywhere anytime soon.
Of course he's made mistakes, the less said about the summer the better, but Woodward has to carry the can for a lot of that. Replacing all the back room staff is almost certainly a factor in our patchy form at the start of this season, but it was obviously done with the mid term rather than short term in mind. I'd love to know if Moyes would have made the same decision had he known what the fixture list would be like beforehand.
I really wish fans could just get behind him, he might fail, who knows, but at least do your bit to give him every chance which to me means reserving your judgement a bit, 7 league games into a season tells us nothing. The reaction of the media and the eagerness with which some fans gobble up the bullshit they push has been hilariously OTT and just isn't how you support a football club, we've criticised plenty of other fans for behaving like it in the past.
Of course he's made mistakes, the less said about the summer the better, but Woodward has to carry the can for a lot of that. Replacing all the back room staff is almost certainly a factor in our patchy form at the start of this season, but it was obviously done with the mid term rather than short term in mind. I'd love to know if Moyes would have made the same decision had he known what the fixture list would be like beforehand.
I really wish fans could just get behind him, he might fail, who knows, but at least do your bit to give him every chance which to me means reserving your judgement a bit, 7 league games into a season tells us nothing. The reaction of the media and the eagerness with which some fans gobble up the bullshit they push has been hilariously OTT and just isn't how you support a football club, we've criticised plenty of other fans for behaving like it in the past.
Agreed, and in fairness to match goers, they have. Particularly away fans.
I think the majority are getting behind him and understand just how tough the situation is. However, the voice and message of the idiots is much louder and sounds better to opposition fans and the media.
Yep I should have qualified that, home and away fans have been great this year.
Neville's comments eased my uncertainty anyway. Moyes won't be going anywhere, there's no point in not getting behind him.
We definitely saw the first signs of how he wants us to play at Sunderland; two wide players overloading the middle and the full backs providing the width. I think the problem he's had is finding the right players for that system and the team we had out on Saturday is the one where it seemed to work generally.
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