My sentiments entirely.
Moyes So Far!
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My sentiments entirely.
Agreed. And the thing some people refuse to acknowledge is that he'll develop and get better the more experienced and settled he is in the job. Our club is all about people stepping up and improving themselves. Valencia was at Wigan when we bought him and he upped his game. Moyes can do the same.
feck sake, that means we're going to win the trophy in his third season and get relegated in the next one.
Plus our chairman's going to break his leg at Wembley a few decades ago.
Great post.
Agreed.
Yep, great post. I think it's fine for people to rant on here a bit, but it's important that fundamentally we all keep faith with Moyes for at the very least a whole season, and ideally for as long as the club keep faith with him.
Come on feel the Moyes
Play like Fergies boys
We'll go wild wild wild
We'll go wild wild wild
Play like Fergies boys
We'll go wild wild wild
We'll go wild wild wild
People here are not very positive about the kind of style Moyes will make us play this season, I don't agree with them.
I agree that we have been below par this season, but when it comes down to the style and kind of line ups being employed by Moyes, things have been fairly encouraging. We have controlled the game and kept the ball well in certain matches, we have been playing two strikers most of the time, the line up against sunderland was very attacking. We saw Buttner playing at LB in proper matches, it was obvious that him playing was cause of his attacking credentials.
We have not scored that many goals, cause we have not had the cutting edge and have weak wingers playing. So the execution has not been there but the intent is right there for us to see. Makes me think that Moyes wants us to play an attacking game, he is a good manager and we are a decent team, things will come around.
Nani,Januzaj and an in form kagawa on our wings, along with a clicking duo of RVP and Rooney, will get us many goals. I don't think Moyes will make us a dull team.
I agree that we have been below par this season, but when it comes down to the style and kind of line ups being employed by Moyes, things have been fairly encouraging. We have controlled the game and kept the ball well in certain matches, we have been playing two strikers most of the time, the line up against sunderland was very attacking. We saw Buttner playing at LB in proper matches, it was obvious that him playing was cause of his attacking credentials.
We have not scored that many goals, cause we have not had the cutting edge and have weak wingers playing. So the execution has not been there but the intent is right there for us to see. Makes me think that Moyes wants us to play an attacking game, he is a good manager and we are a decent team, things will come around.
Nani,Januzaj and an in form kagawa on our wings, along with a clicking duo of RVP and Rooney, will get us many goals. I don't think Moyes will make us a dull team.
I certainly like the idea of us playing with three wings.
The right, the left and the central winger. It will be a great tactic, especially if FIFA allows us to play the new formation 4-5-2 as a reward for discovering the central winger position.
Is there any source for statistics on average position of defensive lines (if that makes any sense)? It seems to me we've been defending pretty deep so far this season, but it'd be nice to see something objective. I suppose it could be inferred from the average positions on the pitch, but it would be interesting to see a breakdown of with/without possession.
This for me has to be an even bigger eyesore than some of the shite our own fans are spouting.
Media and ABU's rolling around in their own filth heaping as much shit on Moyes and United as possible. It's rather sad to be honest. One of the greatest institutions in British football with a legendary British manager who has just departed you would think that doing the right thing and continuing on the tradition of attempting to offer stability and tradition to the league through the team which the media are all intensely scribbling utter shite about.
The rival fans as well are in a frenzy. It's cringeworthy. Clamoring over each other to recycle media shite and tell everyone how big bad United is finally getting what is coming to them. I've all but stopped reading the media, I've nearly stopped reading the usual combined supporters forum that I read it is full of childish Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
It's fecking 7 games into a season and people have written United off already. It's Twilight Zone stuff..
To such an extent that he was the prime candidate for the United job? I'd hardly call it astonishing. Taking them to an average position of 8th every season is a decent/good achievement, for me it's only slightly more impressive than what the likes of Big Sam achieved at Bolton, Hughes at Blackburn, O'Neill at Villa etc.
Can't say I agree with the assessment that he's been negative with us so far though. People can't seem to tell the difference between playing shit and playing defensively. Whatever we're doing in training though clearly isn't focusing on improving our passing, interplay, creativity etc. or if we are it's not working. The reason why stylistically and philosophically there were better candidates.
I was comparing his achievements with those of Laudrup, Martinez and Rodgers. These managers have done little thus far apart from playing what some people consider beautiful, free-flowing football. Whether Moyes' record at Everton is sufficient to make him the prime candidate, as you say, is another matter. It's largely beside the point, though, as he wasn't hired for his CV - obviously not. He was hired because of his long-term potential.
I can't say I agree with the "slightly" better than Allardyce, Hughes, O'Neil bit at all. The key factor being - consistency & longevity. That's what made SAF so revered - rebuilding teams over & over.
I didn't check up any of these facts but I'm pretty sure those blokes didn't achieve top half finishes for 5, let alone 10 years. & if we had to check spending, I'd think Moyes probably spent similar too them etc.
I think we'd all agree that maybe Moyes should've won a cup at least, but I do think his EPL achievements were very, very good. Much better than just "slightly" better than the guys mentioned.
He's a very uninspiring, tactically bland, conservative manager used to run clubs on a budget. That may be appealing to the Glazers and Fergie for different reasons. David Moyes won't get the best out of this current crop of players, and he's going to have to build his team. Unfortunately, if this summer is any indication, he will build his team in the image of Fellaini as opposed to Thiago. In short, we're fcked.
What long-term potential are you speaking of? Fergie wouldn't mind a bland manager to further solidify his legacy - not that he needed to by any means. And the Glazers don't mind a manager that operates on a shoestring budget and couldn't two flying fcks about the quality of football at OT as long as the sponsors keep signing up.
The support Moyes has been getting from match going fans has been brilliant.
I disagree with the entire argument on principle (the SAF bit) and reason (the sponsorship would dry up quickly enough).
The Glazers better care. The sponsors are also business people, and aren't going to support an unsuccessful team for long.
They have, and I admire them for it. Players and dugout need great support in a match, anything less is counter-productive.
Those same fans are entitled to criticise elsewhere though, and many do of course.
Mourinho has a track record though.
We're not going to lose the cache in a year or so - Liverpool and Arsenal still have a huge pull with the sponsors and they haven't won in ages.
How have you deduced we're on a downward slope?
Are you serious?
I wasn't commenting of his record....more his style of play.
Has mentioned elsewhere Chelsea aren't exactly setting the world alight for the 4 more points they have over us. And I think it's far too early to say that Moyes is out of his depth. If managers like Moyes aren't given a chance to show he can cut it then we might as well jump on the managerial merry-go-round with the likes of Chelsea and City. These are two clubs incidentally, where previous managers with big track records haven't always cut the mustard.
I keep reading this same type of post and have actually done some research into the Moyes brand of football just to gain an insight into exactly what it is that irks fans about his teams playing style. Without going too in depth I have noticed great similarities between Moyes and Fergusons "brand of football" both use a flat back four with fullbacks encouraged to go forward both make use of typical wingers and both are fond users of the traditional number 9. Moyes has played the exact same sets of players in the exact same manner as SAF did and most likely would have had he still been in charge, Ferguson would have his teams designed for counter if the opportunity arose and we have seen some of those fast breaks under Moyes. One difference I have noticed and probably allies itself with the "lack of creativity" is Fergusons sides would often change the angle of attack, they probed and dragged you wide and then switched play dragging you wide the other side and this would continue until the opposition would become stretched and the gaps would then be hit. One major player in this system was Scholes who would constantly ping balls left,right switching the angle of attack and stretching opponents, effectively creating space and lethargy in oppo players. Giggs was also used in this manner bursting cross field using his midfielders and wingers to carry the ball to the opposing flanks. Moyes however has lacked this luxury and is as such seen to get it wide lump in a cross and hope to hit the big man, what we saw second half on Saturday was allied to how Fergusons side would try and switch play but with no Scoles or Giggs it was Januzaj who would roam inside and the switch of play would happen from Carrick but that Moyes side was stretching Sunderland and with Nani and Adnan drawing the FB into retreat and drawing centre backs towards them space was beginning to open up. This system is far from perfect with absence of such pivotal cogs in the machine but the signs where there that with some time it will work as well as the system of get wide, switch and stretch that Ferguson applied for so many years.
Yes there are concerns given our start and the transfer window and is Fellaini good enough but after 7 games coming to the conclusion of "we're fcked" is a massively paranoid and altogether childish view to have taken up. Yes we wonder have the Glazers appointed Moyes to save money but the long term future of that Glazer fortune depends solely on the performance of the club on the field, off the field profits will ultimately reflect what happens on it. If you have come to the conclusion that the Glazers are actually here to lose money then you are indeed "fcked".
The longevity of it is where the "slightly" comes in for me. Finishing 7th a few seasons in a row or sticking it out to do it for 10.. It's hardly breaking new ground or elevates the achievement to new levels, at least not from a point where the idea of you landing the United job would be seen as ludicrous to actually landing the United job.
Mourinho's broke goalscoring records with 121 goals in a league season, and his team could boast the quickest counter attacking football over the past few years. Just not comparable.
How can people claim he's uninspiring? Surely only those in the dressing room can comment on that.
Or is it a case of you wanting him to go all Al Pacino in his press conferences just for the sake of entertainment?
Or is it a case of you wanting him to go all Al Pacino in his press conferences just for the sake of entertainment?
Ah yes the magic maureen years that eventually saw him shipped out partly due to the style of football he had Chelsea playing.
I think the fecked up international schedule has not help Moyes much. He has barely gotten a chance to get up his learning curve then you this difficult start-stop beginning of the season.
But more obstructive for the guy who has to oversee the biggest transition: replacing Sir Alex Ferguson.
Still wish he'd sold Rooney in the summer, keeping him sent out completely the wrong message...and the no doubt improved contract he will be offered will make us look a little silly.
I know its VERY VERY early, but in the summer, if Rooney does leave (hopefully), and we also lose Hernandez and Kagawa as a result, how shit would that be?!
I know its VERY VERY early, but in the summer, if Rooney does leave (hopefully), and we also lose Hernandez and Kagawa as a result, how shit would that be?!
I don't know, maybe the fact that we've got 10 points after 7 matches and have lost 3 already
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